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Why do wires tangle?

I listened to the Naked Scientists podcast while walking across America, and I have a question about tangling wires - I would put my MP3 player into a pocket, and whenever I pull it out the wires are completely tangled up. In fact, they're so tangled I couldn't have done it on purpose! Why do wires tangle up? Francis Tapon, San Francisco

We put this question to Mike Pearson, from Cambridge University's Millennium Mathematics Project.

Tangled headphonesI hear that someone has called in asking about the fact that their headphones get in a mess whenever they put them into a bag. This is one of those things that seems to happen rather more often than it should. It’s kind of surprising what damage a mindless bag can do. There are many more tangled possibilities than there are untangled possibilities if you think of the wires in the bag. In a way just picking one of those tangles is quite improbable but it doesn’t really matter. Any old tangled state will do so the probability that one of those tangle states appears when you put your hand into the bag to get your cables out is actually quite high. All we need is something that will allow those wires to move within the bag. We need them to pick up some energy from somewhere and jiggling those headphones around is going to be exactly what we need in order to generate the randomness, the chaos that we need in order to create all these knots. Any old knot will do.

An analogy we might look at is the cells of our body. There’s an enormous problem that they have keeping all the DNA that they have organised inside the nucleus. You can think of the nucleus as being a tiny, tiny little bag. It’s only about 20µm big. The DNA is a big, long string or wire about 3m long. That’s the equivalent, if you imagine it of having an iPod cable 30km long stuffed into a 20cm bag. How this all happens is quite a problem which has puzzled both biologists and mathematicians a lot.

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The twisted wire knot-look and quick pull release makes this a nice trick for a six year olds birthday party and even if it's not perfect solution for entanglement, it is pretty neat! 
- Phillip1@rogers - 19th Jun 11
I realize this is a little old.  But, thanks to Phillip, it has been brought back to the top.

I don't use an ipod.  Perhaps blue-tooth will make the wires obsolete sometime.

If you take something like a factory roll of Romax electrical wire (flat).
If you unroll the roll, then it will come out flat.
If you pull the roll off the side, without unwinding the roll, then it will introduce a twist into the wire. 

I wonder if that propensity to introduce a twist is part of what causes some of the tangles.  The other thing is the introduce the ability for loops to overlap in a coil (which is one of the advantages of the figure 8 spooling above).

One of the most amazing things is a boating "throw rope".  Essentially you stuff a 50 to 100 foot rope into a little bag, then you toss the bag, and the rope deploys back out...  100% of the time, no tangles, and it must do so as a tangle could mean death for your swimmer.

http://shanesliquidlogic.blogspot.com/2009_12_01_archive.html


The trick with the throw bag is that it is not as much coiled as it is stuffed from bottom to top, again somewhat with overlapping loops just like the figure-8 above.  The article linked actually talks about a new design of a bag.  I guess after using the "classic" throw bags, I'd be reluctant to try something new without a lot of practice.

Anyway, doing a simple coil around your fingers is probably the worst thing to do with ipod wires.
- CliffordK - 19th Jun 11
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