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I listened to the Naked Scientists podcast while walking across America, and I have a question about tangling wires - I would put my MP3 player into a pocket, and whenever I pull it out the wires are completely tangled up. In fact, they're so tangled I couldn't have done it on purpose! Why do wires tangle up? Francis Tapon, San Francisco

We put this question to Mike Pearson, from Cambridge University's Millennium Mathematics Project.

Tangled headphonesI hear that someone has called in asking about the fact that their headphones get in a mess whenever they put them into a bag. This is one of those things that seems to happen rather more often than it should. It’s kind of surprising what damage a mindless bag can do. There are many more tangled possibilities than there are untangled possibilities if you think of the wires in the bag. In a way just picking one of those tangles is quite improbable but it doesn’t really matter. Any old tangled state will do so the probability that one of those tangle states appears when you put your hand into the bag to get your cables out is actually quite high. All we need is something that will allow those wires to move within the bag. We need them to pick up some energy from somewhere and jiggling those headphones around is going to be exactly what we need in order to generate the randomness, the chaos that we need in order to create all these knots. Any old knot will do.

An analogy we might look at is the cells of our body. There’s an enormous problem that they have keeping all the DNA that they have organised inside the nucleus. You can think of the nucleus as being a tiny, tiny little bag. It’s only about 20µm big. The DNA is a big, long string or wire about 3m long. That’s the equivalent, if you imagine it of having an iPod cable 30km long stuffed into a 20cm bag. How this all happens is quite a problem which has puzzled both biologists and mathematicians a lot.

January 2008

Isn't it just a result of then being moved around inside your pocket by the action of walking? As you take a step the MP3 player is raised in your pocket, which is a tight enclosed space, and as such the wires moved down. with the next step the opposite happens, so the more you walk, the more tangled the wires become.

that's my guess. there is a method of wrapping the wires to prevent this (so i am told), it is knitting technique called butterflying....
- paul.fr - 4th Jan 08

Could it have something to do with electromagnetism? (and possibly the close proximity of a mobile phone etc). 

Or could it have something to do with the fact that most people wind their wires up, which makes them twisted, and subsequently they try to unwind in your pocket?  Roadies and musicians are taught a special way to wind microphone cables so they don't become twisted and tangled, it might be a similar principle.

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- ahtnamas83 - 6th Jan 08

I haven't heard the podcast yet.

I would guess it's a statistical effect - the untangled configuration is just one of many many states, the vast majority of which are tangled. Put it in your pocket, jiggle about, and the odds are near-certain that you'll end up with a tangled state.

On the subject of headphone cables, please don't wrap them tightly around your gadget, and certainly don't cause the cable to kink sharply where it comes out of the plug as that is a sure-fire way to creating "loose connections" and sending the 'phones to an early grave....
- techmind - 7th Jan 08

Just for Kat.




With your right hand make devil horns (third and fourth fingers tucked, second and fifth extended)
Use your thumb to hold the earbuds against your palm
Wrap the cable around your 2nd and 5th fingers using a figure-8. This is really the key part, the cris-crossing prevents it from knotting
When you have 6 to 8 inches of cable left, wrap the remaining cable around the center of the figure-8 a few times
Tuck remaining cable to taste. Sometimes I tuck it through one of the figure-8 loops, sometimes through the center wrapping, sometimes not at all.
Tightness of the wrapping determines how well it holds together, but if you use a loose wrap, you can just pull on the earbuds and the whole thing comes undone without a single knot.

http://lifehacker.com/software/life-hacks/keep-headphone-wires-from-getting-tangled-152499.php

If this is the same technique used by musicians, i wonder if this is where the hand gesture used by teenagers originated? It does look very similar to one of those stupid pointless hand gestures i see them use....
- paul.fr - 10th Jan 08

Leave it to physicist's to actually investigate this daily annoyance.  Dorian Raymer and Douglas Smith discuss the creation of knots in strings in an article entitled "Spontaneous Knotting of an Agitated String" in the October 16th Proceeding of the National Academy of Sciences. http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/abstract/104/42/16432 has the abstract available.

I actually thought I first heard about this on the Naked Scientist, although the popular press took hold of it too, such as this article in the New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/09/magazine/09knotphysics.htm...
- tigerstargazer - 16th Jan 08

Surely during use and winding up and out again of the cables would put some twisting into the cable, and as a result would have tensions in said cables and they work themselves out whilst being moved around in the bag, and we see the result.
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- AlphBravo - 12th Feb 08

I have the same trouble with lunge lines. No matter how carefully I wind them, they always end up knotted....
- DoctorBeaver - 12th Feb 08

Just nature's way of irritating us all....
- johnnyfr - 11th Mar 08

I have a Newton's cradle which I have to transport around on school visits. It drove me mad because I would have to spend 10 minutes of setting up time untangling the thing. Then I discovered that if I fastened a scout waddle on one side it never tangles. I think you should tie up your cables tightly so that they are not lose and able to tangle....
- Make it Lady - 11th Mar 08

I wonder why they don't make small audio cables with a 'lay' like they make ropes. With ropes, you can  hank many metres  by 'dropping'  it, clockwise, over your left hand with your right hand; no twisting force is needed and it uncoils so easily.
paul f''s method works a treat but your fingers can only hold so much and it doesn't work for long lengths. A BBC wireman taught me to coil them, effectively, in a figure of eight - taking alternate loops in different directions in the left hand  (straightforward to demonstrate but hard to describe in words). The coil it produces looks the same as the unidirectional coil but it drops apart with no tangling at all because there is no overall twist in it....
- lyner - 13th Mar 08

"Just nature's way of irritating us all."
Yep, it's called entropy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy
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- Bored chemist - 14th Mar 08
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