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Interview

Sun, 1st Mar 2009

When Science meets Comedy

Robin Ince

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Robin - Bleeding heart liberal was originally going to be a more political show than it is but it started edging more and more into things about Carl Sagan and Voyager and Robin Incewhat was put on a golden record that went through space for whatever lucky extra terrestrial would find out about it. Thereís some poo jokes in it and when thereís not poo jokes itís probably me either talking about my favourite geneticists or astronomers. I think at the moment itís a very enthusiastic show. I think thatís what I am. Iím halfway between being a self-loathing curmudgeon and an Open University lecturer whoís actually eaten some mushrooms he found under the bark of a tree.

Ben - It sounds like a risk actually to talk about, as you said, your favourite geneticist. Iíd imagine a lot of people donít even have a favourite geneticist.

Robin -   I think part of the key to it is to, right from the start, lay out the fact that you are not smarter than the audience. You can sometimes look supercilious or superior whereas I am playing it very much from the angle that Iím not from a scientific background, Iíve got increasingly into science. I try and make it as silly as possible. Part of the humour is perhaps the ridiculous man jumping up and down doing nursery rhymes that were supposedly invented by Gregor Mendel.  

Ben - I take it from that Mendelís your favourite geneticist?

Robin - Do you know what, theyíre so troublesome! You know the way that James Watson just suddenly fell out of the chart last year, whether it was justified or not? I just find Iím always fascinated by intellectual monks. Whether theyíre inventing tonic wines, whether theyíre noting moments where the moon has been struck by a small asteroid or whether theyíre counting wrinkles in smooth peas.

Gregor MendelBen - Well thatís the Mendel story. You said you mentioned your favourite astronomer. Theyíre in the news a lot at the moment because itís the International Year of Astronomy. Who would be your pick for that?

Robin - In truth what I often do is I have a pretend top 3, of which I never reveal two of them, which allows me to constantly change my list without anyone realising, year by year. Ultimately it is probably Carl Sagan, just because Carl Saganís my favourite scientist. I know that many people would say that  his level of scientific achievement in terms of discovering a new theory or whatever it may be is not great but  his zeal, his passion, the fact that he brought so many people onto science, reading  his books which combine magnificent poetry with hard facts. I find Iím quite obsessed by him. Eratosthenes, Iíve been trying for five years to write a routine about Eratosthenes, the man who first got an approximate idea of what the circumference of the Earth was through shadows, sticks and wells.  I still havenít found it. Maybe when I come to Cambridge or Norwich I shall attempt another making Eratosthenes funny routine.

Ben - Science inspires you, how are your audiences responding?  

Robin - Every now and again there are some people who are a little bit confused. I was doing a gig  in Bromsgrove. Because I was just sitting, waiting outside the stage door I just heard a couple go  past go: ďwell to be quite honest I didnít quite understand quite a lot of that.Ē Itís a starting point hopefully. What Iíve found that is lovely is finding that people have gone out and bought books by Richard Feynman and books by Carl SaganCarl Sagan and other science books off the back of seeing me tour and play music festivals. I think that people are much smarter than we imagine. For instance, when I play Reading and Leeds music festivals they said afterwards, if I was you I might dumb down for Reading. I found at Reading you can play to 3000 reasonably drunk teenagers and they will get what youíre talking about. If you approach something passionately and hopefully there are some jokes in there as well they donít immediately switch off. Itís not just about drinking and shagging and the things which TV seems to believe is the only thing that an audience can handle.

Ben - This year is also an anniversary of two hundred years since Charles Darwin was born and 150 years since the Origin of the Species was published. How does Darwin fit in your show?

Robin - I think the first time I became truly fascinated was reading an essay by Jacob Brunowski where he talks about, if you drove past down on the 3rd day of the 3rd year youíd have seen a young man playing a bassoon to a flower. It was Darwin making his son playing a bassoon to see how it affected flowers. I thought this is an interesting man. Obviously I also am a reasonably big fan of the theory of evolution. It seems like a pretty good theory to come up with. The show does end up on about 15-20 minutes about Charles Darwin, about having 20 years locked in your head Ė having this amazing theory - and then I canít resist a little  bit about the woolly-headed nature of creationism.

Portrait of Charles DarwinBen - Do you think there is a movement towards more science-inspired comedy. Several of your peers: Ricky Gervais is obviously pro-science Ė not a lot of it makes it into his stand-up routines.

Robin - No I donít think a lot of it will make it into his new show which is titled ĎScience.í There is a huge and accidental rational movement basically. I think after we put together the show ĎNine Lessons and Carols for Godless Peopleí where we, on the science side you have Simon Singh and Ben Goldacre and Richard Dawkins and various musicians Ė people like Jarvis Cocker and Darren Hayman. And then comedians and all of them were doing something on the rational world. You have people like Dara OíBrian, Chris Allison, Stewart Lee and Josie Long. All of them are approaching things from a rational perspective, especially Dara who has a physics background. Heís very excited about talking about science. I think the reason is perhaps because TV isnít really pandering very much to intellectual programming. I hate Ė thatís a terrible thing to say but knowledge, learning and anything like that. There has been an accidental rational/scientific movement to start in comedy.

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