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Giggling Gorillas and Chuckling Chimps

Laughter is a wonderful thing to hear – but would you recognise it coming from anything other than a human?

Dr Davila-Ross with KarlaIn a delightful study published in this week’s Current Biology, Marina Davila-Ross and colleagues at the University of Plymouth have found that what we think of as laughter today could have evolved in our common ancestor with the apes, between 10 and 16 million years ago.

To test this out, they have been listening to the sounds that were made by 21 young apes when they were tickled, and comparing them to the sounds of a human baby being tickled.  These sounds were then subject to an acoustic analysis that could detect similarities and differences between the sounds, and importantly judge how closely related the sounds were.

All in all, they analysed 829 recordings, and looked at 11 different acoustic aspects of these sounds, such as peak frequency, the range of frequencies, the number of calls in a bout etc.  They also looked at whether the sounds were made on the inhale, exhale or both.

Gorilla Laughter

Bonobo Laughter

Chimpanzee laughter

Human Laughter

They found a number of similarities, but also some key differences.  It turns out that we humans are much noisier than our ape cousins, as the human babies produced significantly more ‘voiced’ sounds – these are sounds that clearly come from regular vibration of the vocal cords.  The human babies also only laughed on the exhale, while the other apes could laugh both when breathing in and out.  They were surprised to see that, while laughing, Chimps and Bonobos could effectively control the rate at which they breathe out – that might not seem surprising, but it was thought t be a uniquely human adaptation that allows us to speak.

Naru being tickledInterestingly, the differences seen for human babies were not one end of a spectrum – these aspects were consistent for the other apes and otherwise, it was actually pretty difficult to tell one species from the next.

Next, they put all the data together to create a family tree of laughter and it fit extremely well with a phylogenetic tree, one that shows how closely related species are.  Siamang and Orang-utan laughs were more similar to each other than to the other apes, as were Chimps and Bonobos, and humans laugh more like the chimps than the other apes.

It’s all too easy to fall into the trap of ascribing human thoughts and intentions to animals – we call it anthropomorphism – but this paper now shows that when an ape is laughing – it’s okay to call it a laugh.

But remember  don’t anthropomorphise animals – they don’t like it...

7th Jun 2009


Squid don’t just see with their eyes

Squid, those slippery denizens of the deep, may not only see through their enormous round eyes but it seems they can also detect light all along their bodies as well.

An Atlantic Bobtail from the Westdiep, Belgian continental shelfResearchers from the University of Wisconsin-Madison have been studying the Hawaiian bobtail squid. These 3cm long squid have ink sacs on their bellies that don’t just squirt out ink but also glow – a process known as counterillumination. When predators look up at the squid from below, the outline of the squid doesn’t show up as a dark silhouette but instead blends into the bright background of the oceans’ surface. Margaret McFall-Ngai and her team publishing in the journal PNAS have discovered that these ink sacs are capable of not just emitting but also detecting light.

A type of bioluminescent bacteria called Vibrio fischeri live inside the squid ink sacs in a two-way symbiotic relationship that benefits both squid and bacteria. The bacteria help the squid camouflage themselves against the bright ocean surface and in return, the bacteria get a safe place to live with all the nutrients that they need.

The bacteria emit a constant glow but the squid can control how much of that light escapes by changing the shape of the ink sac tissues, rather like the iris can let more or less light into an eye. The squid ink sac even has a transparent layer across the surface that acts like a rudimentary lens controlling the direction of the emitted light. By letting more or less light through from the bacteria, squid can match themselves to the brightness of the sea surface that varies depending on how deep down they are and what time of day it is.

The question is, how do the squid know how light the ocean is around them? It now seems that they might not only use their eyes, but the ink sacs also have a role to play in detecting ambient light.

McFall-Ngai have discovered that the ink sack tissues housing the luminous bacteria contain genes that produce proteins associated with light detection, including some similar to ones found in the retina – the light detecting layer of cells in the eye. They also hooked up an ink sac to an electroretinogram – electrodes that are usually used to measure the electrical responses of a retina when light is shone on it. They found similar electric signals were generated by the squid ink sac, indicating that it is sensitive to light.

The researchers don’t yet know exactly how these second light-receptors evolved. It could be a form of genetic or evolutionary “tinkering”, a technical term in which existing components of a living system are reassembled and tinkered and put to use in new combinations or locations. More studies are needed to delve deeper into exactly what is going on.

This study sheds light into a remarkable symbiotic relationship between bacteria and large animals, something that is particularly important for us humans to understand since we rely on trillions of bacteria living inside us to keep us healthy. We may not glow brightly at night, but eight out of ten of our major organs have some sort of bacteria living in them.

7th Jun 2009


Warblers Learn who to Trust

Back in February, I reported on a paper in the journal Current Biology about how Reed Warblers protect themselves from being parasitized by cuckoos.

Cuckoo egg in Warbler nestNow in a follow up paper published in this week’s Science, Nick Davies and Justin Welbergen from Cambridge University have found out how the birds learn how to defend themselves by watching their neighbours.

Cuckoos are a problem because they lay their eggs in other bird’s nests, and then leave the host birds to bring up their young.  This wastes a lot of energy for the reed warblers, but there’s no advantage for them.  As a result, they’ve evolved a tendency to mob cuckoos, which makes them less likely to end up bringing up someone else’s chicks, even though it’s a costly behaviour in terms of energy and it risks exposing the Warblers to predators.

Well when the Warblers mob, they make very loud calls and snap their beaks with a loud clicking sound.  They also swoop down at the cuckoos, directly attack them and generally get in a flap.

Reed Warbler Mobbing

In the new paper they present evidence as to how the Warblers learn when to mob, and when not to mob – as it’s a bad idea to waste your efforts mobbing a bird that isn’t a threat.  Armed with a model of a cuckoo and a model of a parrot (acting as a novel but non threatening stimulus), they set about observing how different birds responded to each.

After establishing a baseline for how each set of birds reacted, they allowed the birds they studied to see how neighbouring birds reacted to the models.  If the birds are learning through social stimulus, they said, then mobbing would only increase in response to the model that their neighbours mobbed.

They found that when the neighbouring birds mobbed a model parrot, it made no difference to how likely the focal birds (the ones being studied) were to mob either the cuckoo or parrot models.  However, when a cuckoo was mobbed nearby, the rates of cuckoo mobbing greatly increased.

In fact, the naive birds that did not mob a cuckoo on their first exposure started mobbing only after watching their neighbours do so.  This is probably because female cuckoos have a certain area in which they will lay eggs, and so a cuckoo in a neighbour’s nest suggests a realistic threat.

This suggests that the Warblers are primed to learn new behaviours only when they respond to genuine threats – a tendency also seen in macaques, who learn to be scared of snakes, but can’t be taught to be afraid of rabbits!

7th Jun 2009


The Gruber Prize for Cosmology

Robert Kennicutt, Director of the Institute of Astronomy at the University of Cambridge

Ben - Also in the news this week, the winners of the Gruber Prize for Cosmology have been announced.  This is the tenth anniversary of the Cosmology Prize, and this year it’s shared between three winners:

Wendy Freedman - director of the Observatories of the Carnegie Institution of Washington in Pasadena, California

Artist's impression of the extrasolar planet HD 189733 bJeremy Mould, professorial fellow at the University of Melbourne School of Physics.

And Robert Kennicutt, Director of the Institute of Astronomy at the University of Cambridge in England.

They’re sharing the $500,000 prize for leading the teams that measured the value of the Hubble constant – the rate at which the universe has been expanding since the Big Bang.

We’re joined by Professor Robert Kennicutt now. Hi, Robert. Thanks for joining us.

Robert - Thank you. Happy to be here.

Ben - You must be really pleased to see your work recognised by such a prestigious award.

Robert - Indeed. The phone call was quite a surprise but the work was very influential. It was done about ten years ago. I think the organisers of the prize were waiting to see if we’d gotten the right answers or not. In any case, it was delightful to have it recognised in the way it was.

Ben - I can imagine. What is so important about this number, the Hubble constant.

Robert - Yeah. The measurement actually ties into the whole series of experiments that your listeners have probably heard about over the last decade to try to characterise the expansion history of the universe. Our measurement actually provides some very basic numbers: how large is the universe? What is the distance scale? In fact it actually provides a measurement of the age of the universe. Moreover when you combine it with other measurements of the supernova, high red shift, it actually was the work that provided this strong evidence for dark energy in the universe and this expansion. These experiments all tie together and yield consistent results. This was one of the cornerstones of that series of experiments.

Ben - Without this research we wouldn’t be asking the questions that we’re asking today. It really was a major step forward in understanding out universe.

Robert - That’s right. I can give a simple analogy. The measurements that established the existence of dark energy actually tell us how the expansion rate of the universe has changed. It actually slowed down and has sped up over time whereas we’re measuring the absolute scale. It’s actually a difficult measurement. For example, if you’ve looked at the television in the last couple of days you’ve seen the images of Barack Obama standing next to Nicholas Sarkozy and Gordon Brown. You can instantly  when you look at the screen tell which of these people is the tallest. Obama is the tallest and you can even get, when they stand next to each other, get some idea whether he’s 20% taller or 10% taller. It’s very difficult when looking at the monitor to have some idea how tall these people actually are; whether Obama’s six feet tall or six-and-a-half, five foot eight and so on. That’s our experiment – really to see by measuring relatively nearby galaxies and providing the yardstick next to these galaxies to measure the exact distance, the quantitative distances and the scale of this whole expansion.

Ben - Will it also help us to understand what the ultimate fate of the universe will be. If we can understand its history then surely we can predict a little bit more about its future.

Robert - Indeed. Prior to this work these distances were only known to a factor of 2 accuracy. The best measurements of the time gave an age of the universe, derived from the expansion, was younger than the ages of the oldest stars we could measure using other techniques. The result of these measurements, combined with the more distant supernova cosmology experiments, actually led to several independent measurements of the cosmic age scale. We’ve actually determined the problem and remarkably these measurements have come into almost exact concordance and it’s almost unsettling, in fact. Scientists, especially astronomers, are not used to precise agreement. The term “precision  cosmology,” which is a new term is something we’re still getting used to. The result of that is - the implication of that is the universe of the future’s actually going to speed up its expansion over time as this dark energy becomes more and more important a force in driving the expansion of the universe.

Ben - So how did your teams actually measure it? It seems like a difficult thing to come up with.

The PleiadesRobert - It actually boils down fairly mundane elements. What we want to do is survey distances to galaxies. We want to measure how far they are away in miles and kilometres precisely. The key instrument that enabled this breakthrough was the Hubble Space Telescope. The key technique we use is a class of variable pulsating stars called cepheid variable stars whose brightness can be measured accurately when you measure their period of oscillations. Hubble actually had the resolution to be able to identify these stars in galaxies at distances of up to 50 or 100,000,000 light years. A light year is six trillion miles. These are vast distances. We essentially laid out twenty benchmarks in distances in the local universe. We were able to measure not only the local expansion but how that expansion actually changes with distance. We live in an over-dense part of the universe that has affected the local expansion. We had to calibrate that out as well. So you can think of this sort of as being surveyors laying out benchmarks and establishing a scale. The result was accurate to about 10% at the time. Since then other techniques using cosmic microwave background have repeated their measurements completely independently and the two sets of results actually agree within a few per cent. We’re quite sure we’ve got it right.

Ben - That’s astounding. So finally, the prize money shared between the three of you – will that go into more scientific research or are you planning a well-deserved treat?

Robert - You’re not the first person to ask. These important decisions take time, you must understand.

Ben - Of course!

Robert - I’m not going to buy a supercar. I’m not going to give it all to charity but we are going to spend some of it on one major party for the team.

Ben - Wonderful. Just in case you happen to be doing the invites at the moment you can write to The Naked Scientists at Cambridge University. But no, of course, we wouldn’t expect an invite...

Robert - I don’t know. I’m a fan of the show so who knows!?

Ben - Wonderful. I’ll keep an eye on the post. Thank you so much for joining us, Robert. That was Professor Robert Kennicutt, he’s the Director of the Institute of Astronomy at Cambridge University and along with Wendy Freedman and Jeremy Mould he’s just been awarded the Gruber Foundation’s Cosmology Prize for measuring the rate of expansion of the universe.

June 2009


Building Bridges - The Science of Beams

Have a go at the Naked Scientists Bridge Challenge and see if you can do better than we did...

What you need

Paper

A sheet of paper

A chasm - we used a couple of box files 21cm apart

Weight for beam

A weight - I used a bottle hanging on string

Some tape

What to Do

The idea is to build a bridge across a 21cm chasm which will hold as much weight as possible, using only one sheet of A4 paper.  You can use some tape to hold it together, but not to act as part of the structure.


What may Happen

A sheet of paper doesn't make a very good bridge, and can't even hold its own weight.

A square tube

A square tube is quite rigid until it folds slideways into a parallelagram when it becomes only slightly stronger than the sheet of paper, supporting a little over 100g of water

Triangular tube

A triangular tube doesn't collapse sideways and supported about 300g of water

Tube

A round tube supported about 1.2kg of water

Triangle of tubes

A triangle made of two tubes and a strip of paper supported over 2kg of water - at which point we ran out of water!


What is going on?

Paper is an interesting material, it is very strong in tension - if you clamp it correctly a sheet of A4 paper will support over 200kg.  However it is very flexible, so if you compress paper it will just buckle and fail at very low forces.

Paper is strong in tension

Paper is very strong in tension

Compressing paper

Because it is so flexible it is very weak in compression

Paper is so flexible, not because the material is particularly soft, but because it is so thin. If you bend something the material on the outside of the curve is stretched and the material on the inside of the curve is compressed.

If the beam is very shallow,  the change in length is very small, so you aren't stretching or compressing the material very much, and it doesn't push back hard. On the other hand, a thick beam will have very large changes in length, so it will be very stiff.

 

Bending a thin beam

Bending a thick beam

In a thin beam the inside and outside of a curve only change length slightly

In a thick beam the change in length is large.

This means that a major way of making a beam bridge stiffer is to make it deeper. One obvious way to do this is to make a square tube. This would be very stiff if it didn't have a major weakness.

There is nothing to stop the square turning into a parallelogram and going flat, and therefore very flexible.

Square Tube

Square tube failing

A square beam would be strong if it didn't fold sideways into a parallelogram and become flat

A triangular beam is a lot stronger, because the triangle can't change shape without distorting its sides.  However because the sides are very flat, they can bend and allow the corner to buckle under load.

Triangular tube

Triangular tube failing

A triangular paper beam is quite strong, but eventually the sides bend and the corner buckles

A tube is very strong because the paper is all curved in one direction and it can't curve in another without stretching or tearing. However if you use it as a beam you are squashing it, and eventually it will go flat enough to bend in the wrong direction

A tube

The tube under load

Tube buckling

A tube is very strong as the paper is all curved in one direction so it can't curve in another. But loading it as a beam causes it to flatten and then it gets weak.


A tube however is very strong is straight compression, as there is no force trying to flatten it. so if you can devise a structure with tubes in compression and something else in tension it can be very strong.

One way of doing this is to make a triangle out of two tubes and a strip of paper to hold the bases together at the bottom. This is very strong although if you wanted to make the structure stand up on its own you would probably have to give it more legs.

Triangle of tubes

 

  


Written by Dave Ansell


Printing Your Own House

Dr Rupert Soar, Freeform Engineering

Ben -   Our next guest is building houses using a printer, or at least hoping to soon.  Rupert Soar is from Freeform engineering where he uses computer aided design and rapid manufacture techniques to build walls and structures, essentially using a gigantic 3D printer! Hello Rupert, thanks ever so much for joining us...

Rupert -   Hi Ben, Hi Helen...

Ranch style home in North Salinas, CaliforniaBen -   So, Freeform engineering – who are you and what do you do?

Rupert -   Well, essentially we do rapid prototyping, with a slight speciality in that we focus on the construction industry and in particular on those large scale elements where we’re really printing big things.

Ben -   So, ‘Rapid Prototyping’ – I’m guessing the name gives away what it is?  It’s for making a prototype very quickly...

Rupert -   Yeah, kind of.  That’s where it started.  There’s additive manufacturing, layer manufacturing, there’s many different terms that are applied to this technology.  All of them are essentially similar – taking your material, squirting it, pasting it down one layer at a time and building up a three dimensional object over time.

Ben -   Now I would assume that normally this is used for things like new designs of mobile phones, or perhaps things that you hold in your hand.

Rupert -   Absolutely, typically plastic things but, you know, small metal components, things that suit – mobile phones, automotive, aerospace, all very common.

Ben -   But you’re thinking of much, much bigger things?

Rupert -    Yeah, in one level.  Part of this is actually bringing awareness of what this technology is into the construction and architectural and design sector.  And so trying to inform and bring about a news capability.  Architecture itself is producing more complex designs and more interesting designs in the buildings that they see around them.  They are able to generate amazing structures and forms in the computer and that challenge is then; how on earth do we actually fabricate those, how do we make them?  They get stuck in the computer nowadays, these designs do.  And so, these printing technologies just work layer by layer, printing one layer at a time and in fact there’s no great magic involved – if you look at how any house is built its all bruit with layers of bricks.  And the reason it’s built with layers of bricks is that we can build the bits inside as well as the bits outside.  So this technology is really cool because it allows us to print the really complicated stuff inside as well as everything outside.

Lexmark X5100 Series printerBen -   Of course, and the complicated stuff usually would mean greater expense because it takes more time and more expertise...

Rupert -   If you were talking about traditional engineering and manufacturing and trying to machine something out of a solid block, trying to get inside it is damn near impossible at the best of times, but you can really get into these structures and make them really complicated and do quite remarkable things.

Ben -   One of the key things in buildings nowadays is all about using the right materials, and we’ve talked on the show before about things like thin layers of wax inside little capsules that melt when you get to certain temperature and then solidify again when and using this as insulation.  Are you limited with rapid prototyping as to what materials you can lay down?

Rupert -   Yes and no, like all things.  There’s no one ubiquitous process that does everything but essentially if you take your DeskJet printer and literally scale it in your mind, and instead of ink you’re putting through cement or gypsum, let’s say, then you’re somewhere close to where we’re going with this.  It seems almost strange to think that you could squirt cement out and it wouldn’t slump all over the ground, but that’s because cement is used in moulds at the moment and concrete and it’s designed to be sloppy.  You take out those retardants and things like that and it starts to set quite quickly.  So very, very quickly you can start to build up three dimensional structures - very, very big ones, if that is indeed what you’re into doing.

3D printed model of the Menger spongeBen -   I think you’ve given us a very good image of how it works, but I’m picturing a giant frame with an inkjet type head, effectively a bucket with a hole in the bottom that you control, that moves forwards and backward in three dimensions and releases your material as and where you need it.

Rupert -   Yeah, if you’ve ever seen a large crane working in a shipyard, most people have got an image, that’s a big crane and it’s placing big things and that’s kind of where this is going – large crane systems or gantry systems that can have deposition heads or squirty heads that are squirting stuff out and building them up; but that’s a very simplistic level.  As technology evolves then one very, very large machine very quickly becomes many, many small machines and then you’re into autonomous robot swarms and all of that wonderful future that lies ahead for us. 

Ben -   It’s a lovely idea that building sites might one day just consist of robots that get it over and done with really quickly, no wolf-whistling, no builders’ bums...

Rupert -   That’s it.  It’s quite simple, you know, it’s not hard to squirt things out and build things, ask anyone who has made a cake with icing sugar – it’s dead straightforward.  But getting it in swarms and connective agents and then you open up a whole new world of possibilities as to what you can build.

Ben -   So effectively, because of the way that you can do this layer by layer; you can do the whole thing in one run.  You don’t have to print the outside walls and then take your machines inside and printing all the inside walls.  You can actually just say – this is the design of house I want – go!

Rupert -   Yes.  The whole point of this is that traditional construction is a very hierarchical thing.  You start by putting the superstructure and gradually  with first, second, third fixing you come down in resolution, if you like, until you’re literally fixing the screws and nuts and bolts into the structure and so its a very top-down approach.  When you’re printing a structure, and printing all the channels and ducts within the walls as well, you’ve essentially got to do the whole thing, all scales of resolution at the same time, so you’ve got to print fast to get your materials down but at the same time you’ve got to print fine to get all those little channels and ducts.  And that’s the key to it, as a friend of mine says – “The real estate of the future lies between the walls in our homes” those two surfaces.  At the moment they’re essentially solid, but very quickly we can engineer those walls and fabricate and essentially fold more functions into much, much smaller spaces.  And that’s the real key to where this drives forward.

An old brick wall in English bond laid with alternating courses of headers and stretchers.Ben -   This is fantastic stuff.  How is the cost likely to compare to traditional building?

Rupert -   Cost - you can never compare what is essentially something that’s been going for 2000 years – you know, I’m not going to beat a brickie, I was one myself and we can work fast.  What this does is it enables other abilities, things that a bricklayer can’t imbue into a building.  So if you’re laying bricks, let’s use that example, then you’re good with straight lines and squares and fairly uniform shapes.  A printer, if you ask it to print a squiggly line or a square it doesn’t care, it makes no distinction.  Essentially you can print complicated structures and forms.  There’s no cost involved in how complex the structure is.  Now that’s a fundamental difference between how existing construction is and what it could be.  So we’re not usurping traditional construction by any means, we’re just going to add to those capabilities.  So a lot of the key discussions are about sustainable construction.  Natural ventilation I know you’ve got covering in this programme, and what we’re able to do is actually fold the structures and channels and functions into tighter and tighter spaces within these walls, and actually make and design structures that truly can capture energy from the environment.  People know me for termites, I’m a bit mad like that but that’s where we’re going with that – walls as membranes and not barriers if you want a quick sound bite distinction there.

Ben -   This all sounds fantastic and I hope that we’ll see it in building sites in the very near future.  That was Rupert Soar, director or Freeform Engineering explaining how one day you might just select the house you want, and print it out!

June 2009


Natural Ventilation for Low-Energy Buildings

Shaun Fitzgerald, Masterclass in Energy Supply and Demand, BP Intsitute

Helen - We join Meera Senthilingam who’s been out in London this week in search of another way to make buildings more efficient...

Meera - In the UK today forty to fifty per cent of our energy is consumed by buildings. Buildings that use air conditioning typically use double the amount of energy as ones that don’t. One way to reduce consumption is by producing naturally ventilated buildings which don’t need air conditioning to keep them cool. This week I’m at the School of Slavonic and Eastern European Studies campus at University College London. In 2005 this building was constructed and designed as a low-energy building. With me this week is one of the senior researchers that helped design the building: that’s Shaun Fitzgerald from the BP Institute. So Shaun, this building was designed to have natural ventilation? What does this mean and why does it help keep a building cool?

School Slavonic StudiesShaun - A naturally ventilated building is one which is trying to use the forces of nature to get air from within the building to without and actually distribute the air within the building as well. We’re looking at wind and buoyancy as one of the driving forces. A mechanically ventilated building uses fans and a mechanically ventilated building would have one where the windows are not open-able so you have to use fan power throughout the year. When you look at the amount of energy that we are using with fans compared to wind and buoyancy the numbers are staggering.

Meera - We’re standing outside the building and just looking at it it’s reasonably large and it’s got what look like four, what look like, metal chimneys on the top. What are these as part of the design?

Shaun - So the chimneys on the front of the building are exhaust chimneys. They are there to try and allow the hot air that’s been generated within the building to be extracted. It’s using, in this case, mainly buoyancy to drive that air. Those chimneys are to remove the hot air and the odours associated with that hot air in the building.

Meera - As well as the chimneys located on the top of the building what else has been incorporated into the design of this School of Slavonic Studies to keep the airflow moving?

Shaun - One of the big challenges for a building in the middle of The City is the intake air. The intake air has got associated with it, if you open vents at a low level, there is an ingress of noise from a noisy street such as the one we’re on. Secondly it’s to do with air quality. The fumes from taxis and cars can be easily drawn into buildings. If you can create openings at high level and bring the fresh air in from high level you can overcome both of those challenges. Twenty metres up in the air, twenty-five metres up in the air the actual dirty air syndrome isn’t as difficult as it is down at street level. In this particular building the air intake path at high level feeds an atrium. The atrium is large, relative to some of the other chimneys that we’ve got around the perimeter of the building. The air intake path is through the centre of the building. This is to help provide acoustic treatment of the air just using the natural fabric of the building. It’s just glass.

Meera - So we’re just going to move inside now to have a look at this atrium and understand how it works.

So we’ve entered the building now and there is a central atrium which is very large, running through the core of the building. It’s six stories high and the shape is an equilateral triangle, of which the sides are probably about five-six metres long. Shaun, this is a very large atrium.

Shaun - It’s a wonderful centre of the building architecturally and it provides a number of functions as well. Firstly you’ll notice that the daylight provision within the middle of the building is significant but it’s not bright, direct sunlight. It’s a background, diffuse radiation so it’s a lovely sunlight that we’re getting into the building. Obviously the second function that we cared about as engineers is this is the air source for the building. You’ll see that around the perimeter of the building on every floor there are a number of open-able windows. If you look closely these windows have got a chain attached to them and a motor. These are motor-driven actuators to control most of the opening area between the atrium and each of the occupied spaces – the office and the library.

Meera - How does this atrium and the chimneys on the top of the building all work together in order to keep cool air flowing through this building?

Shaun - The building ventilation works primarily because there is heat being generated within the library and the offices through lights, I.T. equipment and people. The heat that is generated from that source will ensure that any fresh air that comes into the space is reduced in density. It therefore becomes buoyant and it will rise out through the perimeter chimneys, the chimneys that are around the backside of the building. We now have a U-tube effect where fresh air  is being pulled in through the middle of the atrium at external temperature conditions in through these windows where it  is then heated and the hot air rises out through the front of the building. It’s using the heat within the building to generate the airflow; the airflow itself managing the temperature build-up within the building.

Meera - There are actually sensors within the building that are in action in order to control how many things need opening. What are the sensors and what are they looking at?

Shaun - the sensors in this building are temperature and carbon dioxide. The challenges of ventilating a building are to make sure there is enough fresh air coming in. The proxy that we use is the CO2 level in a building. The second function is to make sure it isn’t too hot in the building. Both of those parameters: internal temperature, carbon dioxide levels are used by a control system to regulate the amount of opening area of these open-able windows that we have.

Meera - We are in London so it doesn’t actually get hot that much during the year. It’s generally colder than it is hotter. So what about during winter when the weather’s cold outside?

Shaun - When the weather’s cold outside the same strategy is deployed for this building but as the fresh air comes in through this atrium you’ll notice in front of all of the opening windows there is a radiator. The radiator in this building is being used to preheat the incoming air. On a moderately cold day most of the heat being delivered to that air will be by the lights, the heat, the people and the I.T. equipment.

Meera - this building did open back in 2005. Have there been any other newer buildings being developed which are slightly better designed?

Shaun - One of the things which I think have been the Achilles heel of these wonderfully naturally ventilated buildings is the fact that we’ve been using radiators to preheat the incoming air. But, if one looks at the amount of heat generated within modern buildings we find that it’s considerable and easily enough to maintain the interior at an adequate level of 21 degrees C for all but the coldest days. That technology will allow naturally ventilated buildings to have even lower energy consumption levels than the ones such as this exemplary building that we’re in today.

Helen - That was Shaun Fitzgerald from the BP Institute in Cambridge talking to Meera Senthilingam.

June 2009


Thermal shutters

Professor Stephen Gage, UCL

A feature we are going to look at in the future of buildings is controlling the natural light that comes into a building and the heat which is lost through all the different surfaces. Now Stephen Gage is a professor of innovative technology at University college London and he is investigating the use of thermal shutters to control the amount of light that enters a building an also the amount of heat that is lost.

Helen -   What made you come up with the idea for thermal shutters in the first place?

View out a window from a darkened room. Fort Sam Houston, San Antonio Texas (December 2006).Stephen -   I have to say the idea is not new. It has been put forward in the states in the 70's and 80s. The reason I came back to it was that I was looking at retrofitting thermal insulation on typical Victorian buildings. And I realised that these buildings had windows that were larger than the equivalent buildings today. I had seen new housing developments going on around our cities and realised that the windows there were getting smaller and smaller. And the reason is that windows let through a lot more heat than walls by a factor of 5-9 times. So in order to stop buildings letting out too much heat there is a real pressure on architects and designers to reduce the window area.

Helen -   Yes I live in a Victorian house and I love the fact that our windows are nice and big, but I do worry that we loose a lot of heat across them because they are not double glazed. So what are these thermal shutters going to do to help that?

Stephen -   Well the situation applies generally that we live in houses traditionally where we use windows to let in light, and as the windows get smaller and smaller we have to put our lights on. And we start using energy in lighting. And we start using in my mind rather nasty low energy fittings to get around that, and we get into a rather vicious declining spiral. And it struck me that perhaps we should look into the idea of turning our windows into walls when we are not there. And this is really interesting and research done by a colleague of mine on offices convincingly shows that we are not in our buildings for a large amount of time in a 24 hour cycle, and when we are in our homes at night when there is no external light. This all leads to the possibility of thinking perhaps we should put thermal shutters on the outsides of our buildings to essentially turn the windows into walls when we are not there.

French window shuttersHelen -   We have had shutters on traditional buildings, but traditionally made out of wood. Presumably you are thinking of using something more advanced than that.

Stephen -   Yes the kind of materials we are looking at, are the kind of materials which go into modern highly efficient fridges, especially fridge doors Where you can get the equivalent thickness of a well insulated wall inside something between 20-40mm thickness. Which makes these really not terribly big to open and close

Helen -   Is the idea that you would open and close them yourself, or are they going to do it themselves?

Stephen -   Well obviously the interest would be to have the things opening and closing on their own, but if they do this they have to have either some knowledge of your presence or the possibility that you can override them as they go on their way. I think that one thing one has to say, that if you are in a space, say your large Victorian living room, you it may be a bit cold outside, but if you are there, perhaps you don't mind loosing a bit of heat through the window.

Windows of a brick building in Washington DCHelen -   So it will be able to control itself to some extent. And this will help us in both summer and winter?

Stephen -   That's right, because obviously if a shutter stops heat getting out of a window it will stop heat getting into a building and especially they will stop solar gain.

Helen -   Also the idea of the fact that we are not in our building very much of the day. Is there going to get to a point where the window knows when you get home at the end of the day.

Stephen -   Well there are plenty of intelligent systems which can tell when you are there. You can tell a window when you are coming home, people do this all the time already, with building management systems.

Helen -   Are we already seeing these thermal shutters in use, or are they just in development?

Stephen -   We've got a project where we are taking these into development of these with a commercial product. There aren't any standard products yet, although architects have used commercially available doors to achieve this effect.

June 2009


Where on Earth is the safest place for an asteroid to hit?

I was wondering what the short and long term difference would be if a significant (i.e. dinosaur killing) meteor/asteroid were to impact Earth in either: 1- land mass 2- deep ocean 3- polar ice cap It would seem that each would have different materials ejected, displaced. Would one of them be "better" than the others? Mike, USA

We put this to Heather Jackson, National Museum of Wales

If you imagine the size of this potential asteroid it’s perhaps ten kilometres across, similar to the one which fell in Mexico 65 million years ago. Wherever it hits it’s going to be incredibly destructive. The most devastating impact is likely to be in the ocean because it potentially could cause Gaspra Asteroidtsunamis and the least destructive would be if it were to hit a poorly populated area, perhaps like Antarctica. The size of this object is something the size of Cardiff travelling at 25 times the speed of sound the compressed column of air travelling in front of it would heat the ground to almost as hot as  the surface of the sun. The blast wave would kill anything within about 250km instantly. The real killer would be the atmospheric effects that would be caused by the vaporisation of rock, particularly if that rock contained large amounts of sulphur because that could lead to severe acid rain. Predictions as to the size of the waves produced if it fell in the ocean vary but it’s clear that a large impact would drown coastal areas, which is where most of our population live. The pacific coast of Asia is a particularly deadly place for an asteroid to strike because of the population density there and the potential for tsunamis. Overall the worst effect would be caused by a meteorite falling into an ocean; perhaps not particularly deep, about 2km deep, causing a tsunami and then vaporising sea bed sediments which contain a lot of carbon dioxide and a lot of sulphur which would cause climate change for years to come.

June 2009

Even the ocean would not provide any significant shielding of an asteroid that big, and the tidal waves would reach just about everywhere. I'd say none of the above
- Madidus_Scientia - 2nd Jun 09
I'll take a stab at the answer and say Antarctica, smack dab in the middle of it!
- Ethos - 2nd Jun 09
wouldn't the Sahara be the best place, loads of sand to absorb the impact and not many people will die?
- turnipsock - 2nd Jun 09
The sand on the surface will be insignificant, the asteroid will penetrate so deeply that the debri thrown into the air will block out the sun

My secret underwater city that is nuclear and geothermally powered and self-sustaining would be pretty safe though I reckon :P
- Madidus_Scientia - 3rd Jun 09
I think that none of them would be good. However, I think the ocean would be the best place. Sure the tidal wave would destroy most of the cost areas and that much water in the atmosphere would probably be bad as well. Might get some rain in the deserts. I do believe the this would cause the least amount of damage from all the rest.

With the speeds in question the water would not offer much in the way of padding for the impact. It would still offer more padding then solid bedrock.
- techmatt - 4th Jun 09
I think a significant strike is bad news wherever it occurs...the problem is the ejected material. Hitting any surface will fragment the impactor as well as eject material from the impacted site. Hitting the sea is bad news, I believe, because the water thrown up into the atmosphere creates a huge greenhouse effect, cooking the Earth into submission.

Chris
- chris - 4th Jun 09
3. polar ice cap...
    It's the safest place, where asteriod can it... And we can't say that there is safest place on earth, we should also estimate there size.... If the size is bigger then cosmic collison takes place....
- raghavendra - 8th Jun 09
Deep ocean i think

but The Martian underground was safe place for early life
- Nobel Prize 4 Me - 8th Jun 09
Size should be smaller so that the waves that travels when asteriod fall on earth... if it's bigger in size... whole city can be destroyed
- raghavendra - 8th Jun 09


why?
- Madidus_Scientia - 8th Jun 09
size matter but what really matters is the momentum its mass and the position of the fall and the amount of the impact to the ground didn't you see the examples of dinos who were completely vanished
- Nobel Prize 4 Me - 8th Jun 09
because there waves travel 360 degree when it hits the ground, Now consider when an asteriod hits ice caps like "antartica" the energy or waves of the asteriod is impossible to travel...

    Asteriod should fall on Ice beds.... not on the layer of ice....
- raghavendra - 8th Jun 09

What!?
- Chemistry4me - 8th Jun 09

What!?
what

why?
How is this happening ?????? 360 degrees LOL >>>>>.....
- Nobel Prize 4 Me - 8th Jun 09
Ya...  360 degree, the vibration causes distruction
- raghavendra - 8th Jun 09
Raghavendra I know english isn't your first language but most things you say make little to no sense
- Madidus_Scientia - 8th Jun 09
OK
- raghavendra - 8th Jun 09
Don't worry the quantum formation of your brain means you will survive until you reach the maximum statistical probility of surival available in the current universe. This means whatever you do you will never be in situation where this arrises. But you have died numerous times already ,so don't worry about it, your used to it. :) And at the momment that age is about 130.
- Sam Hill - 21st Nov 09
Personally, I believe that t North Africa also known as the Sahara Desert would be the ideal place for an asteroid of this hypothetical magnitude to hit earth. Antarctica would be a very bad idea. This is because if an impact were to take place there, trillions of metric tons of ice would be instantly vaporized, in turn causing the formation of storms of epic proportions, all the while the rest of melted ice would create tsunamis of their own. This is due to the amount of water that would be released by Antarctica’s melted ice sheets into the oceans (About 2.0% of Earth’s water is frozen down there or 70% of all the fresh water on Earth). The ideal place would have to be a low populated area that is dry. On a further note… And since no one has mentioned it as of yet. I was thinking that mountains might be a good place for an asteroid to hit not only because they are lowly populated but also because of their high elevation (Let’s just say, in the middle of the Himalayas). This could perhaps allow debris to be thrown far enough pass our atmosphere where it would not be pulled back in by Earth's gravity (Less distance for the debris to reach space). This would cause less heat by the debris re-entry into Earth’s upper atmosphere. All this debris would be the equivalent of billions of small asteroids hitting the Earth all at the same time inevitably causing Earth’s overall atmospheric temperature to increase, creating an “oven effect”. Though if blasted far enough and with the help of higher elevation this would cause less of an “oven effect” while also causing less future acid rain AND since this is a hypothetical perhaps some of the debris blasted up by the asteroid that went far and fast enough created a small ring that orbits Earth. (Like a smaller version of Saturn’s rings) At least it would give the Moon some company… 
- Keebler Elf - 10th Dec 09
Sorry, I did not mean to double post just then! I started registering in the middle of writing the above response...

Probably not the best circmstance to introduce myself but what the heck... 

Well, hey everyone I look forward to meeting with you all! Just call me Keebs...
- Keebler Elf - 10th Dec 09
There is no safe place for the asteroid. It would suffer roughly the same demise where ever the impact.
- litespeed - 5th Jan 10
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