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14th Jun 2009
Your Science Questions
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On this Naked Scientists Question and Answer show, we discover how storms create slow earthquakes and how a local star, Betelgeuse, could explode very soon. We also hear of an accurate way to date pottery and explore the physics of helicopter seeds. Plus, why hurricanes rotate in opposite directions either side of the equator, the ultimate fate of stars and how to boil your fishtank without harming the fish. All this and in Kitchen Science we snap some spaghetti to seek the physics of pasta!
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Scientists have uncovered evidence that large storms can trigger certain types of earthquake.
Writing in this week's Nature, Taiwan-based researcher ChiChing Liu from Academic Sinica in Taipei together with two scientists from the US, explains how between 2002 and 2007 he and his colleagues used un...
Betelgeuse, as well as being an 80’s classic film is one of the brightest stars in the sky. It is also Orion’s right shoulder. It is one of the largest stars we know known as a red supergiant, with a mass about 20 times larger than the sun and a radius about 1000 times larger than the sun.
Th...
Huntington's disease is a degenerative disease of the nervous system that sets in when a person is in their 30s or 40s, although they show no signs of the disease before it kicks in. Over a decade ago, researchers discovered that sufferers all have a fault in a specific gene, which makes a protein c...
Scientists have discovered the trick that keeps certain trees' seeds aloft - and it turns out they use the same strategy as insects.
Writing in this week's Science, Harvard researcher David Lentink and Caltech scientist Michael Dickinson explain how they have cracked the puzzle of how the mini 'hel...
If you are an archeologist looking at a new site, one of the first things you want to know is how old it is. Radiocarbon dating can answer this question for organic objects that contain carbon, but carbon can be quite rare as organic material gets eaten.
One thing that is very common in almo...
Kitchen Science
What happens when you snap a simple piece of spaghetti? Believe it or not, this is a question that has baffled some of the finest minds in the world. Why not have a go yourself?
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When I play poker with my friends and I get a good hand, I find it hard to control my feelings. My heartbeat goes up and a ...
- Mark from Belfast - 14th Jun 09
Would safe, effective contraception count for the Science Museum's inventions that changed the future? Definitely a life transforming and life-saving ...
- Tracey S - 14th Jun 09
Julie Rees-Jones asked the Naked Scientists:
Your latest podcast contained an item on using clay hydrolysis to date pottery and stated that there w...
- Julie Rees-Jones - 26th Jun 09
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Questions

Why does water go the opposite way in the Southern Hemisphere?
Dave - Okay, this is an effect, which theoretically would work in certain circumstances. It definitely works with big weather systems or low pressure areas. Essentially, if you’re a low pressure area or anything which is sucking liquid in from a long way away, the stuff which is to the North; because the Earth has a smaller radius out there is moving, going round the Earth once a day, but it’s not going very far so it’s not moving very fast. But, the stuff nearer the equator, you’re further away from the axis of the earth. So, the distance you travel everyday is further so you’re travelling faster. If you then suck the stuff in towards the central point, the stuff which is going faster, from the South will overtake stuff from the North and it will sort of start to spin around into the center. Now, this is an effect which does happen, cyclones go anti clockwise in northern hemisphere and clockwise in southern hemisphere. But, when you start talking about emptying basins and sinks, the problem is this effect is there, but it’s absolutely microscopic, it’s tiny.
Chris - People have measured it.
Dave - People have measured it, yes. Americans did make a huge bath, several meters across. They put a little bit of water in it and left it to sit for a fortnight and they pulled the plug out in a very controlled manner. If you do that, it does always get out anti clockwise in northern hemisphere. Problem is in a normal sink, it’s much more affected by which tap you use to turn it on. How you move your hands in it within hours before you left it to pull the plug out, and exactly how you pull the plug out. And so, we did this experiment on the Naked Scientists a while ago and we found it’s essentially random in both northern, southern hemispheres.
Kat - You mentioned about cyclones going different ways. What happens to the cyclones moves across the equator? Does it suddenly stops and start going the other way?
Dave - They generally slow down and I don’t think they normally do - I’ve never seen one.
Chris - It wouldn’t be energetically favorable probably for it to do that.
Kath - So it wouldn’t do it, it would grind to a halt. Crazy.

Why don't we choke when we drink through a straw?
Kat - Okay, I have done extensive research into this question myself last night with some rum-based cocktails. So, this is….
Chris Smith: It would have to be rum or can it be anything?
Kat - Anything would work, yes, but I’d like Margaritas. But, you can’t really drink them through a straw and I will be publishing my results in the journal of Inebreology very soon. But, basically, the reason is, is that when you’re drinking a drink that’s a full drink, you create a vacuum in your mouth and that’s basically what forces the liquid up the straw. You’re not really kind of sucking it up. You’re actually dropping the pressure in your mouth and that causes the liquid to go up the straw. What happens when you get right down to the bottom of your drink is that there’s very little liquid there. So, if you start there’s not really a lot of liquid that’s gonna go up into your lungs even it was to get there. The other thing is that fluid is a lot heavier than air and when you actually do the motion of sucking something up from the bottom of your cocktail glass or your milkshake, you kind of form a barrier at the back of your throat with like soft palate or things like that. So, the dregs of fluid come up the straw, they get into your mouth, they kind of go 'phleh' into your mouth while the air gets..
Chris Smith: How it go again?
Kat - 'Phleh'
Chris Smith: Just checking.
Kat - That’s the scientific term I think you’ll find. It sort of goes 'phleh' into your mouth. They don’t really make it to the back of your throat to go down your lungs, but if you are a clumsy or a very enthusiastic drinker. It is possible to inhale fluid into your lungs up a straw, but most of us have kind of learned how to drink so we don’t do it.

How can I boil water without killing the fish that lives in it?
Chris - I love that question. What is he doing? It’s basically fish bowl…
Dave - He’s apparently got a live fish swimming in the fish bowl and he wants to boil the water without harming the fish.
Chris - He wants to boil the water without harming the fish. Well, thinking about it. I mean, what we know about the boiling point of water. You can make water boil by raising the temperature that gives the water molecules more energy so they can escape from the body of water against the force being applied to the water surface by atmospheric pressure. You can also make water boil at the same temperature by reducing the pressure above the water. So, I suppose if you put the fish bowl into a very large space that he could evacuate very abruptly - so in other words, take all of the air out so the fish bowl is sitting in a vacuum, the water would boil without getting hot and therefore, wouldn’t harm the fish through heat. The problem is all the dissolved gases would presumably boil out instantly so the fish would asphyxiate very quickly unless you did it transiently, just quickly make it boil and then stop again. Just as a party trick to prove that this is possible.
Dave - I guess the other problem is if the water is boiling around the fish even if its not damaging the proteins because it’s not hot. the fish is probably going to get the bends because any water or gases...
Chris - Indeed because fishes have swim bladder, don’t they? This is how they regulate their buoyancies like a diver’s BCD, which makes them buoyant, neutral buoyancy in the water. So, if you had a fish that has a swim bladder, it could explode. I presume under those circumstances.
Dave - Even if you have a little shark or something which didn’t and then it’s gonna get the bends, so it’s probably not going to be a happy fish.
Kat - Horrible people.
Chris - But, it may not die straight away. So, there you go, there is the solution to your problem.

Why do my eyes take time to adjust to the dark?
Chris - You’ve got two important questions there. First of all, getting used to the dark. We’ll have to think John Gamel for this, who is an ophthalmologist over in America and he sent me some ideas. One of the most important points with eyes getting used to the dark is actually how your eyes see in the first place. Which is when that you’re looking at something, There are beams or rays of light of certain wavelengths or colours coming into your eye and they interact with the photo pigment. A chemical which is sensitive to certain wavelengths which is in your retina. When the light waves hit that pigment, they cause the pigment to change its configuration. It is so called bleach. When it changes its configuration, it then signals the cell to change its behaviour so that’s basically how the retina turns light waves into brain waves. It’s turning the information into pulses of nerve activity the brain can understand. For a period of time, when that pigment has been bleached, it can’t to respond to light again until its regenerated, until its shape goes back to its original starting confirmation. So, when you go from a very light area where on average many of your pigment molecules in your retina will be being bleached out any given time and then you go into the dark; Many of those bleached-pigment molecules will slowly turn back into unbleached pigment molecules, they’re sensitive again. So, in other words, the longer you spend in the dark, the more pigment molecules becomes sensitive and therefore, the more sensitive your eyes become.
That’s the first point. The second one is also that the retina is a very dynamic electrical organ. There are two different ways in which the retina responds to light. There are cone cells, which are not very sensitive to light. They need a lot of light to activate them, but they see in colour and then all the rod cells which are very sensitive to light. But, they can only see in black and white, and what the eye can do is at low light conditions, you can connect via electrical coupling called a gap junction some rod cells to the cone cells and what this means is that the rod cells trigger the cones at a lower amount of light and they otherwise would need to turn them on. So, as a result, you can actually see in colour at much lower light than you would otherwise. It takes a little while for these gap junction connections between the different classes of rods and cones to actually get activated. So, there’s also that process of adaptation.
Now, in terms of what happens when your dog goes out into the dark. The reason dogs can see so well at night is because in common with many animals that are nocturnally active, dogs have a structure at the back of their eye called a tapetum lucidum which is Latin for bright carpet. If you look at the back of the dog’s eye also sheep have this, cows have this, horses have this. The back of the eye is very, very reflective and shiny. This means that any light that comes into the eye that misses the retina the first time can bounce off the back of the eye and back on to the retina. The benefit then is that it makes the eye much more sensitive to light, but slightly less able to pinpoint precisely where the light is coming from. So, there’s a small loss of acuity which comes at the cost of increased sensitivity. So, that’s basically how your dog can see much better in the dark than you can.
Dave - So, is this tapetum lucidum the reason why if you try to light the dog’s eyes they bright up so brightly?
Chris - When you shine light into a person and you see this when you do flash photography and you see red eye. The human retina looks red to the camera because the light illuminates the very dense rich blood supply at the back of the eye because the retina has one of the highest metabolic rates of all the tissues in the whole body. But, in the dog or one these other animals, because the back of the eye has this tapetum lucidum, this bright carpet. The light that goes into the eye immediately turns around and bounces straight back out again in that very demonic way. It’s because it’s like reflecting at the back of the eye that makes your dog’s eyes look very bright, but the same thing doesn’t happen with the human.
Dave - Also, I think the lens focuses the light straight back where it came so all the light which you shone into the eye comes right back at you standing next to the torch.

What is the ultimate fate of a star?
Dave - Very good question Jim. There’s basically lots of different type of stars and basically depends on how big the star was to start with.
If you got a very small star, if you’ve got what’s called a Brown Dwarf – that’s a minute star maybe 8 percent of the mass of the sun. It collapses, forms something like a big Jupiter. It starts to warm up, but it doesn’t even warm enough to start fusion. It doesn’t fuse any hydrogen. It just sit there and slowly cools down and ends up as a very cold planet.
Slightly bigger, you get stars which the gas in them collapses. They heat up to start burning hydrogen. These are small stars, less than about half of the mass of the sun. They burn all the hydrogen, but they never get hot enough or dense enough to start burning helium so they then cool down. A star is basically just hot gas, the only thing that is supporting it under gravity is its temperature. So, it slowly cools down and shrinks and shrinks and shrinks and forms this very big lump of helium as sort of helium White Dwarf.
Normal stars like the sun. They burn the hydrogen away, but then they’ve got enough mass to collapse down and they start burning their helium to form carbon then it will burn away. As it does that the core of the star collapses. It gets very, very hot and blows the outer layers of the star out to form a red giant. It got a very small core with a great big kind of diffuse sort of warmish red star outside it. This core is not massive enough to burn the carbon from anything else. So, the core can make an explosion, it blow away the gas at last another cold , carbon core. Some of these as they cool down they can crystallize and form diamond-type things.
If you get a bit bigger than this white dwarf that it got enough mass to collapse and form a neutron star as I was talking about earlier, that explodes and forms a huge supernova. If you get even bigger than that, it so massive that the neutron star will collapse to form a black hole from which nothing even light can escape from.

Does fog have a dampening effect on sounds?
Chris - It definitely does. Yeah, great question, Charles. The reason for that is the fog consists of tiny particles of water, which are suspended as little blobs in the air down at ground level and sound is the compression wave that travels through air. So, when the compression wave goes through the air, it’s making air molecules vibrate and they’re passing those vibrations from one to the next like a hand shake. If you put water molecules into air, it means that the water blobs can soak up the droplets or soak up some of the vibrations and this will attenuate or damp down quite literally (excuse the pun) the transmission of that sound through the air. So, fog does have a sound attenuating effect and the other reason why it might that when it’s foggy, people tend to slow down too. So, people don’t go out as much. They don’t play games as much. They don’t drive as much and as a result, you might see a reduction in the overall sound..

Would our Solar System survive in intergalactic space?
Dave - I think if you managed to pick up our solar system and somehow magically transport to the middle of intergalactic space. There might be slightly high levels of really high energy intergalactic cosmic rays because the galaxy does have a magnetic field which will shield us from very high energy cosmic rays slightly. Again, a lot of cosmic rays are being made inside our galaxy so it probably cancels out a bit. I think the real thing is that you can’t really get the solar system out into the middle of a big void like that. It doesn’t get formed there because you need enough gas to form stars and there’s just nothing out there. So the only way you could get a star out there that would really something quite violent happening so you’d need to have three stars coming very close to each other and the other two dumping most of their energy into the third one and shooting it out into the galaxy or something.
Chris - There is an errant star, which is currently on its way out of the milkyway. I think it’s even left the Milky Way. It’s destined to in the next, I think literally in hundreds of thousands or few thousand years. It’s actually gonna completely leave the galaxy and it was exactly as you said it was part of a binary system where the two were twirling around each other near to the central black hole. They’ve got very, very rapidly accelerated and it was as of a sling shot where one spun away and the other one got trapped into potentially a trajectory to intergalactic space.
Dave - Yeah, and if it’s done that, you know rip off, you know a planet is gonna be ripped off and held somewhere entirely different. It might also end up in intergalactic space but probably nowhere near the original star.
Chris - So, life as we knew it on those sorts of planets, that would be curtains, wouldn’t it?
Dave - And also, you couldn’t form a star which could support life as we know it outside of the galaxy because we depend on heavy elements, a lot heavier than iron. These were formed in the supernovae we we’re talking about earlier so you then get to the hydrogen helium and you can’t really make a planet out of hydrogen helium and a little bit of lithium. So, although I think you could probably sustain it life out there, I can’t see in any way of achieving it.

How is caffeine extracted from whole coffee beans?
Chris - I have to say until he raised the question, I haven’t even considered it but it’s a very good question.
Kat - It is. I am a decaf coffee drinker. I’m caffeine-free so this actually intrigued me as well. In fact, there’s a number of different ways that people get the caffeine out of coffee. They do it on the whole beans. It’s not when you brew up the coffee and then take the caffeine out of it. You decaffeinate the beans before they’re even roasted because that helps preserve as much flavour as possible when they’re finally roasted and then ground up. So, there’s a number of ways you can do it. You can do it the nasty way, which is to bung a load of solvents in there. Caffeine dissolves in certain solvents, some of the ones kind of slightly related to things like dry cleaning fluid (not very nice way of treating a coffee). So people try and develop other ways of doing it with things like water. You can basically just try and wash the caffeine out by washing the beans and then filter out the the caffeine. There’s another really clever way that people do it is by washing the coffee beans with a very, very strong solution of coffee that’s sort of saturated with all the coffee flavour molecules.
Chris Smith: But presumably decaf.
Kat - But not caffeine.
Chris Smith: Right.
Kat - So, basically it’s using, I guess it’s osmosis isn’t it, sort of.
Chris Smith: Diffusion. It’s the diffusion gradient.
Kat - That’s the one.
Chris Smith: If there’s no caffeine in the solution and there’s lots of caffeine in the bean there’ll be a net movement into the solution.
Kat - Exactly, the caffeine goes out the beans into this coffee-flavoured solution, but you don’t lose any of the flavour from the beans because there’s already loads of these flavour molecules in the water so they don’t want to move out of the beans. That’s another way of doing it using carbon dioxide as well, high-pressure carbon dioxide which kind of forces the caffeine out without losing the flavour. So, that is apparently how they do it.

When I have a good hand in poker why does my heart rate go up and my vein pulsate?
Chris - Well, this is your sympathetic nervous system. We have two arms to our autonomic nervous system. The thing that controls our unconscious bodily systems. We have the sympathetic nervous system, which you activate when you need to fight or when you undergo flight, you wanna run away, and you have the parasympathetic nervous system when you rest and digest things. When you get excited, your sympathetic nervous system turns on. This makes your pupils big, it makes your heart rate go up., your blood pressure goes up, you start sweating. You also might get slightly trembly and as a result you give yourself away because you’re obviously getting excited. So, trained people know how to slightly damp down that reflex so that they don’t actually display those innermost feelings. So, it’s a question actually of probably self control and training yourself not to get too excited.

Are humans now de-evolving?
Chris - What he means by that is we keep giving people caesarean sections to help get babies out does this mean that we’re evolving so that women get a narrower and narrower pelves so that in the future they won’t gonna have babies normally.
Kat - It’s an interesting one. There’s no such term really as de-evolving because we’re all constantly evolving. Humans are changing in result of environmental pressures that are on us. I guess, many, many, many thousands of years if we do carry on medicalising humans so that we don’t die of conditions caused by our biology then we might evolve to kind of get round them. For example, I’m not sure about if there is evidence that our appendix is vanishing gradually or not because that’s a common cause of illness. I don’t think we really have enough time to tell how the impact of modern medicine which only been around for about a hundred years or so is actually affecting our evolution.
Chris Smith - Undoubtedly, there will be an effect because of course fewer people would die, who would have died otherwise. So, evolution may run more slowly. It may be that we evolve in a different way. One of the pressures has been removed but there are new pressures we have to compensate for the fact that we take less exercise. Actually, we eat more and perhaps not as good for us.
Kat - We’re constantly evolving. It would be interesting to see how it goes.
QotW
Is the Earth leaking? Could water evaporate into space? Given enough time could the Earth end up like Mars: a desolate wasteland with not a drop of water to be found?
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