Peter Patay asked:
If you could instantly switch off the sun's gravity, how long would it take for the earth to revert to a galaxy centered orbit?
During the 8 miniutes that the zero gravity wave travels to earth does the effect of the sun's gravity gradually diminish or will it be instant on arrival?
Dominic - So yes, gravity is this force that binds everything in the universe together. There's this quite fundamental principle in physics that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light. And so, physicists have rather suspected on the basis of that that gravity must propagate at a finite speed. At the speed of light, because if it happened instantaneously then wobbling something from side to side in the universe would essentially be propagating information about how that thing was moving faster than the speed of light and violating this very fundamental principle.
Itís been obviously quite hard to test because trying to find some experimental setup where you test whether gravity propagates faster than the speed of light, is really quite a challenge. But actually, in the last 10 years or so, we have done that with objects called pulsars which are very compact neutron stars. They are basically the mass of a star in the size of a mile or two across. Some of these things are very close to one another and spinning around each other very fast. Actually, Einsteinís theory of general relativity which is the best description of gravity we have, predicts that when these things are orbiting very fast, they should produce what's called gravitational waves which are ripples of gravity, that travel out at the speed of light. If they're doing that, they should be gradually losing energy through these gravitational waves. In fact, we have found pulsar binary pairs that seem to be gradually getting closer and closer together as if they're losing energy, at exactly the rate that Einstein predicts, if gravity travels at the speed of light.
Chris - Mark...
Mark Peplow - As the pulsars change their rate, you're sort of inferring the existence of gravity waves. What would it take to detect the gravity waves themselves?
Dominic - Well, there are a number of teams around the world who are trying to build detectors to detect these ripples of gravity moving through space. The sensitivity you need to that is absoloutely mind boggling. You're talking about distances of about a mile that you're sending light beams down and you're trying to see whether gravity is causing that distance to ripple by about the size of an atom. So, you've got an experimental setup a mile long and you're trying to detect something that's moving by the width of an atom.
No one has yet detected those gravitational waves. They are, I think getting quite close incredibly. I'm always quite incredulous when I hear about these experiments because they sound bonkers to me. But I think in the next decade or so, we might actually start to detect these ripples in space time.
I see no reason why gravity would diminish gradually if you had switched it off instantly.
Gravitational effects propagate at the speed of light. Pmb, Sun, 4th Aug 2013
I think Peter may have gone back to sleep now.
I think it would take some time for the Earth to revert to a purely galaxy-centered orbit. We're going pretty fast around the sun and we'd continue to move in whatever direction the sun left us in regardless of what a stable galaxy-centered orbit would be.
Having more thoughts - if the problem was shrunk down and it was the Earth that disappeared, I guess the moon would still orbit the sun, however a stable orbit may never quite be acheived. (?)
heh, I like the spider net analogue myself, in where the net is there as long as energy mass exist, well hopefully :) But where the 'propagation' of change goes with lights speed. Then again, it's all observer dependent, what you see, even with a 'net'. The world of headache. yor_on, Tue, 6th Aug 2013
I believe that matter is captive energy, and its gravity is the gravity of that energy. Gravity propagates much faster than light, but you can't make matter instantly disappear without converting it to another form of energy.
>No one has yet detected those gravitational waves. I guess this is now obsolete denshade, Sat, 13th Feb 2016
Sorry, but relying on the 'neutron star' explanation for pulsars is a flawed theoretical concept. There is a far better theory for pulsars that does not rely on massive objects rotating at crazy 43,000rpm speeds. Let's have another proof for gravity speed please. Cigarshaped, Tue, 5th Jul 2016
Does the propagational velocity of gravitational waves vary with extreme curvature of spacetime? I am thinking something like neutron star core collapse, supernova, etc.? Just asking.......... wnettles, Fri, 2nd Dec 2016
If gravitons interact with each other in the same way that gluons are thought to do then gravity could slow itself down as it is theorized to do with the photon. If this is not the case then the speed of gravity will outstrip that of light everywhere. Only at infinity will they be equal. This is a critical point to determine experimentally. jeffreyH, Fri, 2nd Dec 2016
The LIGO device only works because the gravity wave travels at c if it traveled faster the received frequency in the detector would have been higher and would not have corresponded to that calculated for merging black holes. syhprum, Sat, 3rd Dec 2016
Photons are affected by gravity but does gravity affect itself in the same way? The data from an asymmetrical supernova would be extremely valuable. It would resolve some very important questions. If the gravitational wave beat the photons then what? jeffreyH, Sat, 3rd Dec 2016
A while back I made a prediction that gas cloud G2 would survive its encounter with Sag a*. I'm going to stick my neck out again and say that gravity will beat light. jeffreyH, Sat, 3rd Dec 2016