Sean Mooney asked:
Dear Naked Scientists,
On a recent camping trip we were baking potatoes and toasting a few marshmallows on a metal grid over the embers of a fire. Whilst drinking a beer I thought: if I could get my fire hot enough I would be able to melt the metal grid (perhaps not at campfire temperatures) but if I did melt the metal the potato would either burn away or turn into something which resembles a lump of coal; it would not melt like the marshmallows do if left too close to the heat for too long.
I'm pretty sure that most things can exist as a solid, liquid and gas so my question is: what would I have to do to melt my potato to a liquid like i can melt a marshmallow. ...and could I do it outside my tent and with a beer?
We put this to Dr Peter Wothers, from the Department of Chemistry at Cambridge University.
Peter - I'm currently sitting in a café, enjoying my last of a mouthful of jacket potato here. Very good!
So, why don’t potatoes melt? This is actually quite a tricky answer, but it depends on the complexity of what we’re trying to melt. The things that generally will melt - and reversibly, so if you cool them down, it might form a solid again - would be very simple substances. Certainly, everyone knows that mercury is already a liquid [at room temperature], if you cool it down, you'll get a solid again. You can keep doing that forever, it will just reverse between solid, liquid and solid as you warm it and cool it.
But if you get more complicated things, there are other possibilities. Things can start to change, start to break down. Molecules can actually decompose and this is what's going to happen.
So, if you think about sugar, this is a more complicated structure. It’s made up of 3 different types of atoms – we’ve got carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen. And if we warm this up, well, we can get liquid sugar. We can melt the sugar, and this is where the molecules are all moving around, still in their sugar forms. But if you heat that up too much, again, different parts of the sugar molecules might start to interact with each other and form new chemical compounds. You can boil off water and you're going to be left with this sort of black gooey mess which is carbon.
Now, when you come to a potato, it’s even more complicated. You haven't got one type of substance there. You’ve got complete array of all sorts of complexity. You’ve got water there, you’ve got starches in there, you’ve sugars in there, you’ve got fats in there. All of these can start interacting with each other. You're not just going to end up with one liquid mess of all of those. They're going to start interacting at much lower temperatures, recombining, giving out water vapour and decomposing what's left into this sort of black gooey carbon mess, and that’s what you end up with - your burned potato.
Hannah - So, due to the chemical complexity of the simple starchy spud, it can't melt. Instead, cooking causes the constituent molecules in the potato to interact, evaporate and decompose, and at really high temperatures, form just black carbon. Marshmallow on the other hand is made of simpler smaller molecules including refined sugars which, if we carefully heat at low temperatures, we can melt the inside and keep the sugars intact.
I often grill over wood.
It would be cool to turn a potatoe into instant mash though :)
I suspect the main problem is that it burns before it melts, so the trick might be to remove all the oxygen from around it to stop it burning. David Cooper, Mon, 22nd Oct 2012
i agree that the hotter you get it, you likely would not only be drying out your potato, but also changing the chemical structure of the potato. If you carbonize it, then the melting point climbs quickly.
If you managed to get the metal grate hot enough (in the absence of oxygen), it would melt into a puddle. On cooling, you would find a puddle of solid metal, essentially the same chemical composition as when it started.
Firstly, a potato would surely consist of components (water) that is already "melted" as such, whilst a metal grill is "frozen".
A potato is made of many different elements, many of them volatile, like water. Volatile basically means it evaporates (turns to a gas) at low temperature.
It's easy to melt a potato, but you have to freeze it first.
Put that potato into absolute zero level!