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Hello guys. So the conclusion is that POIS is not an allergy to sperm ? i personally presumed that from the beginning because i have POIS symptoms only from arousal which gets me backto neurotransmitter and hormonal imbalance and not any type of allergy. What do u think ?
Quote from: Vandemolen3 on 16/04/2011 10:01:54Quote from: demografx on 15/04/2011 19:41:29The most amazing thing to me so far in this T/P experiment is how devastating POIS can be - even with no sperm!!! (Sorry, Dr Waldinger!). Wait, he did say SEMEN. []Even if the zero-sperm is a result of testosterone treatment, I am not 100% cured, I am 80%.And - believe me - I have had some LULU 20%-days!!!!Maybe it's not only a semen allergy but also an allergy for the other liquids after an ejaculation. Semen includes non-sperm liquids. Are you suggesting liquids that are NOT semen?
Quote from: demografx on 15/04/2011 19:41:29The most amazing thing to me so far in this T/P experiment is how devastating POIS can be - even with no sperm!!! (Sorry, Dr Waldinger!). Wait, he did say SEMEN. []Even if the zero-sperm is a result of testosterone treatment, I am not 100% cured, I am 80%.And - believe me - I have had some LULU 20%-days!!!!Maybe it's not only a semen allergy but also an allergy for the other liquids after an ejaculation.
The most amazing thing to me so far in this T/P experiment is how devastating POIS can be - even with no sperm!!! (Sorry, Dr Waldinger!). Wait, he did say SEMEN. []Even if the zero-sperm is a result of testosterone treatment, I am not 100% cured, I am 80%.And - believe me - I have had some LULU 20%-days!!!!
Quote from: alky on 16/04/2011 19:01:52Hello guys. So the conclusion is that POIS is not an allergy to sperm ? i personally presumed that from the beginning because i have POIS symptoms only from arousal which gets me backto neurotransmitter and hormonal imbalance and not any type of allergy. What do u think ?We're at a very crucuial point here, and it's not as easy as saying that it IS or it ISN'T sperm allergy. Very, very far from it. Yet, we're probably closer than ever to some definitve answers.We've had several very casual tests in the last month or so. What have they pointed to? Can anyone say? Tests have to be more than casual to come to reasonable conclusions. Demo is one actor with HIS particular situation. Habibou and Hurray and Vandemolen3 are others. Each with their own situationas and each with their different results.We see from Demo's tests, that thank GOD pre-test sperm levels were taken, but pre-TRT tests would have also given MUCH information. We see from Habibou and Hurray that there are varying results from Silodosin, but baselines and controls are very, very weak. How can we evaluate the results?I'm not saying that we are wasting our time. These guys have made serious moves and sacrifices that others can't or don't want to make, and their efforts are very much appreciated, and even though the data isn't conclusive, it can be added to the growing database, where eventually conclusions may be able to be made.But if we want to make real headway, we need to be responsible with the tests, so that those who make the effort, don't go out of their way for nothing, so that we can advance in the solution of the POIS problem.We have seen that we are in a frontier, where even the MOST advanced of the experts isn't all that clear.Who else but US is there?Hey BTW Demo, you have to have an "O" today! For the good of the community!We won';t watch!
The day one of us a a prostate cancer and he has his prostate removed in a conservative way so that he can still experience erections and orgasm, we will no fore sure if POIS is a semen allergy or not.By the way, I produce a lot of testosterone and semem, making POIS even harder to control. High testosterone is only interesting if it is exogenous and therefore can lower semen production, or at least sperm count.
Haha, thanks, Animus, but I beatcha to it!I'm ok now, it was periodic sluggishness (on top of my NORMAL sluggishness lol), and it's been getting better.Your encouragement is super-appreciated. I can't even BEGIN to fathom how you made it through all your nightmare decisions without a forum like this!And you - as a POIS Trailblazer - (Daveman, where's his medal already??) don't hold a grudge against us (I would have!) for all of us finding easier methods, or at least trying to!Please take that as a sincere compliment!! (Albeit clumsily worded!)
Quote from: demografx on 16/04/2011 19:20:05Quote from: alky on 16/04/2011 19:01:52So the conclusion is that POIS is not an allergy to sperm? Where on earth did THAT conclusion come from?edit - sorry if my initial reaction came across harshly, see follow up posts.We have to remember that sperm is just one small (volumetrically) component of semen. And it looks so far like at least 2 people who stopped sperm production still did suffer from POIS after ejaculation. It's hard to draw any solid conclusion from just 2 people, but it would point to the conclusion that the substance of sperm by itself does not cause all of the POIS symptoms. I think that's as far as we can conclude! Does anyone agree with that?
Quote from: alky on 16/04/2011 19:01:52So the conclusion is that POIS is not an allergy to sperm? Where on earth did THAT conclusion come from?edit - sorry if my initial reaction came across harshly, see follow up posts.
So the conclusion is that POIS is not an allergy to sperm?
Quote from: alky on 16/04/2011 19:01:52Hello guys. So the conclusion is that POIS is not an allergy to sperm ? i personally presumed that from the beginning because i have POIS symptoms only from arousal which gets me backto neurotransmitter and hormonal imbalance and not any type of allergy. What do u think ?We're at a very crucuial point here, and it's not as easy as saying that it IS or it ISN'T sperm allergy. Very, very far from it. Yet, we're probably closer than ever to some definitve answers.We've had several very casual tests in the last month or so. What have they pointed to? Can anyone say? Tests have to be more than casual to come to reasonable conclusions. Demo is one actor with HIS particular situation. Habibou and Hurray and Vandemolen3 are others. Each with their own situationas and each with their different results.We see from Demo's tests, that thank GOD pre-test sperm levels were taken, but pre-TRT tests would have also given MUCH information. We see from Habibou and Hurray that there are varying results from Silodosin, but baselines and controls are very, very weak. How can we evaluate the results?I'm not saying that we are wasting our time. These guys have made serious moves and sacrifices that others can't or don't want to make, and their efforts are very much appreciated, and even though the data isn't conclusive, it can be added to the growing database, where eventually conclusions may be able to be made.But if we want to make real headway, we need to be responsible with the tests, so that those who make the effort, don't go out of their way for nothing, so that we can advance in the solution of the POIS problem.We have seen that we are in a frontier, where even the MOST advanced of the experts isn't all that clear.Who else but US is there?
Quote from: demografx on 16/04/2011 16:33:56Quote from: demografx on 14/04/2011 22:19:09Demo T/P Update Day 5I woke up nauseous, tired, with a strange libidinous-sensation, so I'm not taking norethindrone (the P in T/P) today any more. That's all for now with this experiment.Bummer. Sorry to hear that. But totally understandable. Wondering if in those 5 days that you were on it, did it prevent any POIS from occurring? (did you experience an "O" while you were on it?)
Quote from: demografx on 14/04/2011 22:19:09Demo T/P Update Day 5I woke up nauseous, tired, with a strange libidinous-sensation, so I'm not taking norethindrone (the P in T/P) today any more. That's all for now with this experiment.
Demo T/P Update Day 5
Quote from: demografx on 14/04/2011 22:19:09Demo T/P Update Day 5I woke up nauseous, tired, with a strange libidinous-sensation, so I'm not taking norethindrone (the P in T/P) today any more. That's all for now with this experiment.As far as I know in the studies about the P/T contraceptive there were only mild side effects in some people. So just because Demo's body does not like the addition of progesterone, does not mean that others cannot tolerate it.
Demo T/P Update Day 5I woke up nauseous, tired, with a strange libidinous-sensation, so I'm not taking norethindrone (the P in T/P) today any more. That's all for now with this experiment.
Semen includes non-sperm liquids. Are you suggesting liquids that are NOT semen?Perhaps you meant to write, "Maybe it's not only a semen sperm allergy but also an allergy for the other liquids after an ejaculation."
Demo T/P Update Day 5 - Final
Quote from: demografx on 16/04/2011 19:26:50Semen includes non-sperm liquids. Are you suggesting liquids that are NOT semen?Perhaps you meant to write, "Maybe it's not only a semen sperm allergy but also an allergy for the other liquids after an ejaculation."Yes this is what I mean:"Maybe it's not only a semen sperm allergy but also an allergy for the other liquids after an ejaculation."
Just a quick update on my situation, today is day 1 of POIS, apart from bloating there is no brainfog or fatigue, just a groggy feeling and I can think pretty clearly, slight back pain and indegestion but, this has to be one of the least symptomatic POIS episodes I've ever had in my life.I've been experimenting quite a bit, it appears if you tweak the dosages POIS can be almost emilnated, depending on sex/masturbation frequency.I have been abstaining for a month and then ejaculating 2-3 in a week and repeat for a the past 4-5 months, each and every time the resulting POIS is becoming less and less, and only know I'm starting to feel the postive effects of Orgasm, mood is better, concentration is actually slightly up and stress levels seem to be reduced, all of which quantify POIS is reducing each and everytime, I'm very confident, in a year or so I'll be totally POIS free, given the massive milestone I've come about today.For those of you who are on test/HCG, it might be worth trying my method and seeing if it works for you, also. It seems to be modulating my system to accept orgasm, who knows.
I wonder how [Green's] abstinence/2-3 per wk program could work for those who are not taking T as well?
Demo T/P Update Day 5 - FinalPOIS appears to be 99% symptom-free today, but I'm suspicious of the placebo effect.Thank you everyone for "participating" with me in this 'adventure'. I probably wouldn't have attempted it without your support (and of course my wonderful endocrinologist's).edit - discontinuing T/P, as explained earlier (side effects).
Demo,Do you still have the Rx, in case you might somehow decide to try the "P" again?