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On the Lighter Side => New Theories => Topic started by: Dimi on 18/09/2009 14:38:45
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Hey there,
Well... I'm not great at talking about the ideas I have so bear with me. [And its mostly just rambles I like to share ;)]
As I have a programming background, I have come across many different programming paradigms, there are of course procedural, functional/declarative, object oriented and so forth. Anyway, it had to me think.
By my understanding a person either thinks in a Linear of non-linear fashion, but is there a possibility for a different kind of Paradigm of thought? I can't begin to comprehend what a different thought pattern may work as. I believe I am non-linear as I do jump around alot and think about multiple things at the same time (Or rather switch quickly :P) [it takes alot of effort on my half to hold a Linear thought, unless present mood permits]. Though, what if there wasn't just linear and non-linear thought.
I have often wondered, are we taught the ability to think, or do we come with it naturally and its just expanded on based on the patterns that are present in your life. Could it be possible that we have been learning to think unefficiently for some time, and we've closed ourselves off to a different method of thinking.
I am not talking about trains of thought, by the influences of your life - but rather the processes of how you think. Its like in programming, you either treat everything as a set of classes/systems and they share information between each other to achieve a goal, or you write everything as a step-by-step program, or its something very chaotic :P
Or is it not possible because our brain is limited?
Though, is there anyone who can possibly expand on this?
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I think that while we are conscious we think linearly, but with a high degree of switching between 'threads', as you suggest.
However, I think that what you may be really talking about here is the sub-conscious, where I believe a lot of pattern matching takes place. The results of pattern-matching, patterns, being relatively complex things i.e. a single item does not make a pattern, tend to result in complex answers or solutions, which can then arise from your sub-conscious without the need for you to consciously or linearly deduce every part of them.
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Lee, you've given me a few ideas.
Hmm interesting, well I thought about it more ~ I see that our mind would be similar to an Object Operative Paradigm, we all have different parts of the brain which all do their own little functions, they collaborate and give each other information to achieve a goal.
What I was suggesting is, is there a possbility to build ourselves a thought pattern that works in a different method [or atleast theorise on it]. Maybe it does work like that at the sub-consious level.. but that is really apart of the OOP scheme to right? I might of confused it by using the term pattern. When I say pattern, I ment how the thought process is formed. Like send a request to this part, that part searchs and asks the secretary where is this document, secretary goes to master of records and gets record. I guess in a way, I'm talking about something physical. [sorry rambling]
I've always wondered ~ Is the mind a physical, on a non-tangable thing? If it is physical then we really are limited by the way we've developed, otherwise if it is non-tangable then it should be a thing of unlimited virtousic complexity.
I tend to see the sub-consious mind similar to the Operating System. It does all the background things, storing of data, where what should go where, mixing and matching things, keeping the body alive.. that mundane stuff :P
Gosh, we really are just over-sized computers.
... Wait I hope I was talking about the right thing.
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Hey there,
Well... I'm not great at talking about the ideas I have so bear with me. [And its mostly just rambles I like to share ;)]
As I have a programming background, I have come across many different programming paradigms, there are of course procedural, functional/declarative, object oriented and so forth. Anyway, it had to me think.
By my understanding a person either thinks in a Linear of non-linear fashion, but is there a possibility for a different kind of Paradigm of thought? I can't begin to comprehend what a different thought pattern may work as. I believe I am non-linear as I do jump around alot and think about multiple things at the same time (Or rather switch quickly :P) [it takes alot of effort on my half to hold a Linear thought, unless present mood permits]. Though, what if there wasn't just linear and non-linear thought.
I have often wondered, are we taught the ability to think, or do we come with it naturally and its just expanded on based on the patterns that are present in your life. Could it be possible that we have been learning to think unefficiently for some time, and we've closed ourselves off to a different method of thinking.
I am not talking about trains of thought, by the influences of your life - but rather the processes of how you think. Its like in programming, you either treat everything as a set of classes/systems and they share information between each other to achieve a goal, or you write everything as a step-by-step program, or its something very chaotic :P
Or is it not possible because our brain is limited?
Though, is there anyone who can possibly expand on this?
I could explain what physics has to say about brain processes. But it might seem more ramblming.
In fact - here is the rub; i will not expand on this unless asked. I have quite an extensive knowledge on this subject, but it will not concurrently make me right... so, it's up to you. I will remain scientific however.
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Im all up for it :) I like hearing other peoples thoughts and opinions... I might find something I like and will steal for myself.
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Ok give me some time.
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Ok I'll be looking foward to it ! :)
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I need more time. I've not had much round here recently and what i will have to say on the subject i feel probably would not be short.
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Anyone else ? :)
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I found this article really interesting.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20227141.200-disorderly-genius-how-chaos-drives-the-brain.html
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Ah too bad I have to pay for the rest, but Chaos is something I like to think specialise in :)
It makes sense for it to be Chaotic in nature, we are taught how to think, by making something ORDERLY is to cause patterns within the Chaos - so say we are manipulating the chaotic nature by making reoccuring patterns, though perhaps this is a process which takes trail and error - as there are different learning methods for different people so perhaps this is their way to shape the patterns instead of it just being randomly fluff.
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Yeah. Since the small world network is on the edge of chaos, it also gives explanation as to why we see certain mental illnesses relatively commonly - epilepsy for example.
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error
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error?
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Well, in a system based on reason you need an apriori beginning. In the original concept of reason that beginning was god. But of course, if the apriori is nowhere, then your most perfect logic leads you to nowhere else. So we must have an apriori pattern already to go from birth, and we simply follow the rules of logic to get where we are to go. Probably the difficulty in doing so results from a faulty understanding of the apriori pattern.