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Non Life Sciences => Physics, Astronomy & Cosmology => Topic started by: flr on 27/01/2014 21:46:42

Title: do classical black holes exists?
Post by: flr on 27/01/2014 21:46:42
Interesting, according to this new paper:

http://arxiv.org/pdf/1401.5761v1.pdf

classical black holes may not actually exists. Quantum mechanics prevents it, as I understand it

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I was left with the question: Is the conservation of information a quantum effect?
Title: Re: do classical black holes exists?
Post by: Bill S on 28/01/2014 20:44:58
For the benefit of any others who, like me, struggled with that article, here are a couple of more "hitch-hiker" friendly links.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/stephen-hawking-says-black-holes-don-t-exist-012107567.html

http://www.nature.com/news/stephen-hawking-there-are-no-black-holes-1.14583?WT.ec_id=NEWS-20140128
Title: Re: do classical black holes exists?
Post by: yor_on on 29/01/2014 11:55:39
Weird stuff, remember when the 'firewall' thing first came, and now it seems as Hawking wants it gone :) The worst thing about this kind of ideas is that there is no way to test them, that I know of? So we got a hypothesis building on another hypothesis building on ...

Although, SoulSurfers idea of there being no dimensionless center of mass now seems as a possibility for Hawking too I gather?
Title: Re: do classical black holes exists?
Post by: Bill S on 30/01/2014 18:12:20
Matt Strassler has some interesting comments.

“Media absurdity has reached new levels of darkness with the announcement that Stephen Hawking has a new theory in which black holes do not exist after all.
No, he doesn't.
First, Hawking does not have a new theory... at least not one he's presented. You can look at his paper here --- two pages (pdf), a short commentary that he gave to experts in August 2013 and wrote up as a little document --- and you can see it has no equations at all. That means it doesn't qualify as a theory.”

http://profmattstrassler.com/2014/01/30/did-hawking-say-there-are-no-black-holes/#comments