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On the Lighter Side => New Theories => Topic started by: DanielB on 08/03/2014 01:50:08
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When it comes to explaining the Singularity, the existence of what it is, was in my mind that kept me, from what I feel was behind closed doors. And of course, it was the fact, that all I ever heard was nothing would travel faster than the speed of light. 700,000,000 miles an hour,,, Kind of fast if you know what I mean.
And I was thinking about a Massive Star, 1,000,000,000 miles across,, the (Black Hole Makers) and of course , knowing when they are made, the Jets, that rip out through it's coronal edges, and blasting out within seconds of the fuel running out. And only done when the gravity, rushes in , compressing the core.
Well that can't be, because that would mean, it should take the gravity, to move down to the singularity, about 1 hour and 20 minutes. And the only other way it could do that, would be with not only gravity compressing, but if that were the case, wouldn't that also create a gravitational vacuum that would follow and compress even denser initially. I would see it as Hyper gravity, and with the way that gravity causes rotation, and closing in upon a object already in rotation, by the laws of inertia and compression, gives the core, the Hyper drive. Creating Compression Fusion, the heat that would be inside the core as that of the star, but heating and compressing.
This is the point, that Hyper Gravity, and Density, along with the Compression would compress atoms into atoms, fusing them, and since by compression. Two atoms would be occupying the same space, as pressed into one. And the Dark matter would be radiated, giving off dark energy.
Singularity, the final point of compression fusion where two atoms become one.
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This would be why every physicist will tell you, at the edges of the Event Horizon, when spaghettification would occur, and then pulling the atoms from your feet stronger than your head. Until it literally would pull the atoms from your body, it does all matter the same way. Star's, planet's, and galaxies, breaking them down to atom form, for what it's been doing since the moment of it's creation. Breaking matter down into atoms, crushing them to the point of singularity, where when the crushing effect, takes two into one. That energy would be released and radiated, over and over .
It's breaking down it's dinner, burping at times, but getting matter broken down to the level that it can ingest it for the recycling of our cosmos. Where Mc2=E
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MC2=E
Now if you look at it M(atter)C(ompressed)2(x's occupying space)=E(nergy)
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MC2=E
when you think about what type of energy that would produce, in the presence of Hyper Gravity (yea I love that word lol) .
Dark Energy= Would be the product of matter transfer to energy with Compression Fusion, in which the energy release was done without a photon burst of nuclear fusion, and no light discharged, there for rendering the energy created unseen. No photon discharge, aka no light, you can't see it ,, aka Dark Energy. Waste particles from the compression fusion, Dark Matter.
(yawns) ok I am talking to myself again. Nite , and if you have read this far. You need to sleep,,this stuff will fry your brain. Peace and Luv.
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Would this mean then,, that with a galaxy with a black hole formed around it,, you could almost see, the black hole,, emitting dark matter,, and radiating the energy. And as it does, when it pulls in the billions of stars, that hang as we do now in our spiral dance among the cosmos..
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And this would mean that the existence of a black hole down to what it's actually doing, kind of works in the realm of physics. Not out of it.
And if I see it that way, I would see the string theory , more of the fact, at how galaxies, and stellar life exist, in the fabric of our universal web, created by black holes, through dark matter supporting everything, and instead of the destroyers of life. Would then become the creators of life. Giving us the home inside of it's many arms,, a place to grow, and learn.
(coming next week, how dark matter and dark energy are used for time dilation )
Have a safe weekend.
Daniel B.
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P.S. you may want to rethink, a black hole, actually swallowing up another, the laws of physic's would cause for gravitational forces to break the smaller one down into atom's. Either that,, or two spinning tops, with solid core's and possible infinite power colliding.
Now that would be the event horizon (solid core) that I would love to watch and see how it would play out.
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How do you figure dark matter and dark energy, coming from a black hole. A black hole is collapsing matter due to the high intensity of gravity it is not forming a solid rock, or fusion. If you have some evidence to support this theory, Please explain.
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Is it possible to fuse two atoms together, ((Without)) producing engergy?
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Is it possible to fuse two atoms together, ((Without)) producing engergy?
Yes, if one is Iron-sized , or bigger ...
when you fuse iron, the product of iron fusion has more mass than the reactants. Therefore, iron fusion does not create energy; instead, iron fusion requires the input of energy.
https://www.e-education.psu.edu/astro801/content/l6_p5.html
Supernova nucleosynthesis is also thought to be responsible for the creation of elements heavier than iron and nickel, in the last few seconds of a type II supernova event. The synthesis of these heavier elements absorbs energy (endothermic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endothermic)) as they are created
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nucleosynthesis
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Alan,
The evidence to support my theory ,,, is easy,, I don't have it.. Then again,, it's either that,, or you would believe in the possibility of the string theory and it's , something outside the realm of physic's. And a magical gate way to another universe, in representation of a multi-verse. Where the objects there, would have passed through such gravitational forces to the point, of where their density, would be,, just monumental.
No,, I myself have to go with what it's doing,, gravity, is kicking some ass.
Now, I promise you,,, if I put something down,, and you know for a fact, it's wrong, by all means, please tell me, I crave knowing. Same as you do, and the only pure science to me,, is truth, it's why we seek it.
When gravity, wins the battle with a Super Massive Star,, it slams in on the core, but with Hyper forces,, compression, causing the temperature to go off the charts, as matter is compressed. You and I both know that is way gravity works, but it's also got a rotation to it. It's like having a old fashioned spinning top,, add a good round swift kick to the super compression,, and by the laws of physic's. And I am no mathmagican , yes I spelled, that correctly to me, because a mathematician to me, does that magic. I don't have the number's thing down. Oh well.
But would the force cause the core to spin? Yea it would. (Because they rotate at such a high rate of speed )
Would a solid core, as compressed have super density? Yes it would. (Because you can measure the surface speed)
Would it induce Hyper gravity? Yes it would (Pulls billions of stars around it)
Would it break down the very atoms of matter? Yes it would (Accretion disk is there) (and spaghettification)
Can compresion fusion exist? (This would be the instance of the singularity)
Would compressed atoms into the other upon the compression , instead of nuclear fusion,, then cause both atoms to discharge energy? ( if it will not,, then my question would be ,, why not?)
See,, some say,, Dark Matter,, (in theory) was here at the beginning of the universe,, while at the same time,, say there are multi verses, and black holes are gateways. I am putting it here, to clear my head of those thoughts, and look at what it is exactly, I see with my own eyes.
Why would a black hole emit dark matter or dark energy? How about this, if it's creating energy, and compressed fusion, would be occuring, just on again the basic laws of physic's. Add two atoms,, with a cup of Hyper Gravity,, no need to stir it,, the Hyper gravity, already has that taken care of,, and Boom energy.
When a super massive star, burns out the last of the nuclear energy, the gravity closes in,, yea, you know I was going to use it as my example. :) This is the fun part of a Theory, you get to play with your idea's. (again basic laws of physic's and thoughts)
Canis Majoris. It's diameter is 1.8 billion miles,, RFB=Really Freaking Big.
On the scale of black holes,, it would crush objects down to what they say,, is,, what? 1/10 of their size. With out a doubt, atoms would fuse. And since there is no energetic build up, not one that we have seen in our lifetime or evidence, of a explosion of that level. Ever recorded, heard, scanned, etc....... It would then on the laws of basic physic's,, just not on a level you would normally think of,, matter transformed into Energy by compression. (you know I always spell energy wrong, and have to retype it) .
Anyway,, as I was saying,, say, Canis Majoris, goes Hyper Nova,, (first thing,, let's just say it's not as big as it is,, and instead of the 1.8 billion miles in diameter,, lets cut it down to just 1 billion miles in diameter. No,, I tell you what,,let's cut it once more down to .5 half a billion miles in diameter, 500,000,000 miles .
Ok,,its in space rotating (its what gravitydoes) and we run out of fuel,, And it's mass is well over 100 times that of our own star (the sun) I love that we name our star. Anyway,, we know that when this happens,, the inner core, will compress and eat the inside of the star, causing the Quaser to Erupt through it's corona. Before the star even collapses. And this is done within seconds,, Physicist will tell you,, it happens quickly,, Not,, about hour later. It's all the same,,within seconds.,, and then of course the sheer awesome power of the Quasar's. (Yea I think they are just pure beauty.)
Gravity, from the Corona's edge to the singularity..... we cut that in half,, and then in half,,and then in half again just on the size of,, half a billion , 500,000,000 miles.. And yet within seconds of running out of fuel,, the compression is done. That would mean that gravity would have to travel at how fast?
If speed of light is 700,000,000 miles a hour. Wouldn't it take like forty minutes,, for gravity,traveling at the speed of light ,,to slam into core for the compression? And yes, I understand gravity waves,, and that they are constant. So that also add's, to constant compression for fusion, and since gravity is also directional.
This force would hit,, and produce,, everything, I have put. Again,,If you see any part of that puzzle,, that goes in any direction,, that is other than down to the sigularity. Please, tell me.
Again,,this is (My) Theory,,, where the road to discovery start's. LOL If I had proof, or evidence, it wouldn't be a theory, now would it.
The question's when it comes a theory,, is,, first and foremost,,is it viable? Does it have merit? Could it be theoretically possible?
Then, it's the search for proof, and evidence to support it.
(But I can tell you one thing,,to me,,I don't see a gateway) Just gravity doing what it's been doing since the very first,, Hyper Nova,, building galaxies. And producing a energy. And if you cannot see the energy or matter in the fusion compression. Would it not be dark?
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How do you figure dark matter and dark energy, coming from a black hole. A black hole is collapsing matter due to the high intensity of gravity it is not forming a solid rock, or fusion. If you have some evidence to support this theory, Please explain.
Laws of basic physic's, if you want to heat something up,,, you compress it. Now add in,, Hyper gravity compressing down to the singularity. The temperature's would be off the charts,, and while I don't know,, you can fathom well over 15 million degree's. And with heated atoms, being pressed into each other, there would only be one outcome. The matter would convert into a energetic release. Producing, energy as it does, and at that point, compression fusion.
Calculate, the amount of force it takes, to fuse two atoms. And then calculate the amount of force, that a black hole would be doing at it's core.
Now heat is movement, and would that heat, allow the atoms, to move down to the core as the Hyper gravity compresses on them.
Since black hole's, core's,, have been going for billion's and billions of year's, their size and mass, do not grow and build up over time,, otherwise,, they would eat the very galaxies they support. So comparing the life cycle of how they support the galaxies,, and again,, every physicist agree, that galaxies,, are formed around the black holes. So that brings in that they are the gravitational balance, that set's creation in motion. (basically, giving us a home to grow)
Below is your statement to my theory.
(A black hole is collapsing matter due to the high intensity of gravity it is not forming a solid rock, or fusion.)
At no point, did I ever say, or state, that it was forming solid rock,, so of course we can toss that comment out. And the rest, is you saying, that collapsing matter, the same as compressing matter, that it's not possible to compress atoms to the point of fusion creation.
Again, this is not hydrogen atoms being compressed, this isn't gas,, that's already gone,, it's only solid matter that could be left. From inside the very star. Again, gas is gone,, and it's solid,, highly compressed, just as there would be when they become a white dwarf, nuetron star each having a solid core.
Now when trying to theorize, what a black hole, truly is at the core,, and what it does.. That's the fun part, now I get to try to see how a theorized fusion would be detectable . So,, now I go to the next step. Spectrum analysis on the black hole and search for radiation at a level, that we aren't use to seeing. I have a thought on that to. Would a comet have a radiation signature, compared to the black hole? Why a comet? because, to me they would be the particle collectors of the Universe. Traveling around space, out of our solar system, and back. Seeing what they gather as they do. Ice is a great cotton swab.
Anyway,, I look forward, to seeing what we find and discover. And again, I love any feed back.
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http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/accelaration-gravity-d_340.html
Just love this stuff.
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Now, if you take peek,, and add in two factors. That are not relayed in the explanations.
1. Hyper Gravity, a star 1.8 billion miles across, Nuclear Fusion runs out. (Hyper Gravity) will be in place.
2. Rotation of solid core , (Hyper Gravity slams in, at the speed of light,, sending the core, just flying)
Hyper Gravity, Plus heat, plus speed= Compression Fusion,
The speed of gravitational waves in the general theory of relativity is equal to the speed of light in vacuum, c.[1] Within the theory of special relativity, the constant c is not exclusively about light; instead it is the highest possible speed for any physical interaction in nature. Formally, c is a conversion factor for changing the unit of time to the unit of space.[2] This makes it the only speed which does not depend either on the motion of an observer or a source of light and/or gravity. Thus, the speed of "light" is also the speed of gravitational waves and any other massless particle. Such particles include the gluon (carrier of the strong force), the photons that light waves consist of, and the theoretical gravitons which make up the associated field particles of gravity (a theory of the graviton requires a theory of quantum gravity, however).
In physics, gravitational waves are ripples in the curvature of spacetime that propagate as a wave, travelling outward from the source. Predicted in 1916 by Albert Einstein to exist[1] on the basis of his theory of general relativity,[2] gravitational waves theoretically transport energy as gravitational radiation. Sources of detectable gravitational waves could possibly include binary star systems composed of white dwarfs, neutron stars, or black holes. The existence of gravitational waves is a possible consequence of the Lorentz invariance of general relativity since it brings the concept of a limiting speed of propagation of the physical interactions with it. Gravitational waves cannot exist in the Newtonian theory of gravitation, in which physical interactions propagate at infinite speed.
Although gravitational radiation has not been directly detected, there is indirect evidence for its existence. For example, the 1993 Nobel Prize in Physics was awarded for measurements of the Hulse–Taylor binary system that suggests gravitational waves are more than mathematical anomalies. Various gravitational wave detectors exist. However, they have not yet succeeded in detecting such phenomena. Still, there are many efforts being made currently to study and to see how gravitational waves may be used to further our knowledge of the universe
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So, this comes down to two things when it comes to a Super Massive Star, Canis Majoris (example purposes) at the moment they run out of fuel.
1. That Hyper gravity (gravity held in forced suspension) travels faster than the speed of light,, and within seconds,, crushes the core,, sets Hyper rotation instantly to the core at the same time it's crushed, and that causes the Quasar's to Erupt out through it's coronal edge.
2. That gravity, travels down slower than the speed of light,, that would mean, it would take 2.57 hours at exactly the speed of light to crush, cause rotation and then a black hole. No,,, I am sorry,,, that would mean it was traveling at the speed (of) light. So lets slow it down,, and just say,, cut it in half the speed of light.
Ok,, now cutting the gravitational waves down to half the speed of light, roughty it would take 5 hours and that's only adding two hours for half the time.
So we have a five hour gap?
When you actually stand back and look at how quickly,, which has the Ultimate force.
Hyper Gravity,, yes I know no one has ever heard of it,, but then again,, I just came up with that three days ago. Gravity,, being stretched, 1.8billion miles around Canis Majoris. It's giving it all it's got,, and when that one moment of nuclear fusion,,stopping.
There is nothing there to stop Gravity, from slamming down,,,,, With Full Force, in a Hyper State.
I once heard a physicist say,, Just imagine what force it would take,, to explode through a star. Who knew,, it would come down,, to the force , that actually, not only traveled faster than the speed of light, but slammed into a solid core,, and that amount of force. I mean that very amount. Now when you look at the Quaser pulse that is shot out. You can see not only,,, how it would do it,, but also,, Why.
Of all things though,, the black hole at the center of our galaxy, it makes me wonder,, how massive the older Star's use to be,,after all they had all the Gas back then,, completely full tanks ,, if you know what I mean. How HUGE,, they would have been.
Black holes,, like ours,, 15,000,000 miles wide, and the monsters,,that have been measured 300,000,000 plus miles wide.
Those Quasar's, still have to be going, I would think.
Energy doesn't die,, it shifts form. And can do so instantly. Super Nova, when they create iron. And that's a lot of Energy.
Now that's how not gravity,, but Hyper Gravity,, is able to travel faster than the speed of light. It has to be already in a Hyper State.
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Theoretically speaking,, and I mean this only for thought purposes. There is a constant harmony in the Universe, there will always be, it's where forces of regeneration continue, every time it does, allowing for what it's created to sustain a chance to exist. Be it, a comet, a planet, a star to live. The cosmos, will always be in harmony of what it's doing.
What would be the harmony of Dark matter/Dark energy on the scale,, that I myself believe would be generated, with in the core of the black hole. I could see the outside core, solid and as it compresses on a Hyper scale, the inner liquid core, due to the gravitational compression. The heat generated would be mind boggling, when you see it on that scale, super compressed heated matter. Where the spark of compression fusion happens,, radiating outwards. As dark matter and dark energy.
But why? Why would it be needed. Every physicist that have made the computer model,, and they had to add the something to get the scale and model to work. It's been theorized to be dark matter. The other theory is dark matter exist, since the beginning of the big bang.
But, if that's the case,, then the added gravity, would already have existed,, and then we would have been able to offset it in the first place. Since it would be in existence already. And yes, I know some say it cant be seen or measured,, but if that's true, then how did they measure it to see what it would take to keep the milky way held together?
If the singularity, generates, a fusion, it would be dark matter and dark energy, that would be why it's not detectable as of (yet) . A black hole , are where galaxies grow, and give the matter scattered through the cosmos,, a sustainable , more predictable home in our solar system, just as it does in 600 billion different galaxies, that we currently know of. Each black hole , allow's for stars to form, planets to evolve, and the chance for life,, to truly live. It sparked on our planet, would there be other's. Well now,, if you were gambling,, 600 billion different galaxies,, each creating it's own dark matter and dark energy, to sustain it's own self,, each touching in the scheme design of the universe, that way. Now that makes a harmony to the Universe.
No special effect's, just pure logic, on the harmony of a already existing 13.8 billion year old home of ours,, we call our universe.
Odds of (us) coming into life on earth,, in the universe.
I love little quick easy mind games, (easy ones are all I know, never was good at math).
600 billion galaxies,, and lets just say each galaxy has only,, like ours,, just to scale it a bit,, some have a lot more,, some fewr, ,,so with our 200 billion stars, that are in our milky way. 120,000,000,000,000 to 1
Now I stopped there, because, that would be only saying,, each star would have only one planet rotating around it.
If you truly, think of it on the scale it would ,, and I mean, that it would truly be. It would probably be more like 120,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 to 1.
But would it be,, that it's that, that we are not alone in our cosmos.
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Of every thing I know and believe, the one thing I know above all else, when our star, our sun, starts to fade out, our planet earth, will no longer be habitable. We have roughly between 4 to 5 billion years, to exist elsewhere, and the only way that will happen is with working in our own harmony as the Universe does. While I won't be here when it get's a little warm, I can't imagine the one's that will be ,, want a time window of about a couple years. So, what?, Maybe 2 billion years?
If you have ever studied the basic societies, the only one's that truly co-exist. Would be the ant's. But, I hate to use them, because, well, they will kill any other ant, that comes to close to it's colony. LOL .
Anyway,, science, learning all we can of our universe, for a better understanding of all humanity. I honestly do, and never let your mind close or get out of harmony.
DanielB
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We have roughly between 4 to 5 billion years, to exist elsewhere
Less than that ... http://www.theinformationdaily.com/2013/09/22/new-research-reveals-how-long-earth-will-remain-habitable
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lol RD,, I did say,, lets cut it down to 2 billion years,, sheesh ,, can't even give me a few 300,000 years.
I agree though,, I really do 1.7 is about right.
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Gravitational waves. Gravitational waves,, held in a Hyper state.
How would you calculate the amount of force,, that it would deliver, to a solid round object, already in rotation? Could you? Could you calculate the amount of compression, if gravity, is applied faster than the speed of light? Can you calculate the amount of heat that would be at the core. But most of all.
Can you calculate, what a solid core,, with Hyper Rotation, and Hyper Density? Can you determine from that alone. If that produces the equivalent, of the Gravitational pull that a black hole would have. And if you calculate that, you have just calculated enough (raw power) to fuse solid matter for compression fusion.
Then you have done the math,, and see,, that yes,, gravitational waves,, not only travel at the speed of light, but they can also,, travel faster (than) the speed of light.
I just love this pic,, gravity in constant motion :)
http://scienceblogs.com/startswithabang/files/2012/08/Wavy.gif
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Okay I'm sorry but I must disagree to some extent. unknown compression load, gravity rotation. Everything else, but on the fusing part I have to take a disagreement with you can fuse all the way up to iron, then you must apply energy to fuse anything past that unfortunately you can't get past the size of the nucleolus of current calculations. They are big, they decompose once you get past a certain size. What you would actually end up with is a quark soup, and you would actually be shocked if you figured out how much compression. It would take to cause to quarks of the same sign to touch together,or two electrons. As far as the dark matter and dark energy are concerned, I'd have to disagree with you black hole is a gravity field. It is pulling matter in not releasing matter, and anything that falls into a black hole stays there.
Okay, here alternative theory and dark matter in the beginning of time will matter was created. There are 6 types of quarks they will all decompose to become of quarks and down quarks. They also have the ability to combine and form something if some of them combined, and became dark matter. It would fit the state of matter 14.7 billion years ago dark matter was 68% of the galaxy dark energy is not even mentioned. In order for your theory to be correct. There should be no dark matter or dark matter and energy because there was no black holes at this time. So I say these quarks combined and formed dark matter which has mass and gravity, over time, this dark matter has deteriorated and become dark energy, and now the dark matter is about 25% of the universe. Just a thought. Give me yours.
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Okay I'm sorry but I must disagree to some extent. unknown compression load, gravity rotation. Everything else, but on the fusing part I have to take a disagreement with you can fuse all the way up to iron, then you must apply energy to fuse anything past that unfortunately you can't get past the size of the nucleolus of current calculations. They are big, they decompose once you get past a certain size. What you would actually end up with is a quark soup, and you would actually be shocked if you figured out how much compression. It would take to cause to quarks of the same sign to touch together,or two electrons. As far as the dark matter and dark energy are concerned, I'd have to disagree with you black hole is a gravity field. It is pulling matter in not releasing matter, and anything that falls into a black hole stays there.
Okay, here alternative theory and dark matter in the beginning of time will matter was created. There are 6 types of quarks they will all decompose to become of quarks and down quarks. They also have the ability to combine and form something if some of them combined, and became dark matter. It would fit the state of matter 14.7 billion years ago dark matter was 68% of the galaxy dark energy is not even mentioned. In order for your theory to be correct. There should be no dark matter or dark matter and energy because there was no black holes at this time. So I say these quarks combined and formed dark matter which has mass and gravity, over time, this dark matter has deteriorated and become dark energy, and now the dark matter is about 25% of the universe. Just a thought. Give me yours.
Thank you for disagreeing Alan, it means we can have a discussion on it.
**Okay I'm sorry but I must disagree to some extent. unknown compression load, gravity rotation. Everything else, but on the fusing part I have to take a disagreement with you can fuse all the way up to iron, then you must apply energy to fuse anything past that unfortunately you can't get past the size of the nucleolus of current calculations.**
Alan, I totally agree it's a uknown compression load,, your right,,, it is.. But it still is gravitational waves,, enclosing on matter in excess of the speed of light. You know as well as I do,, Gravity held out in a state of hyper gravity will slam back down. How much force that would be? See I am no mathmagician ,, and cannot calculate it. But basics I can,, Upon a star's fuel running out Gravity encloses, the key is how fast.
1. Fuel runs out on a Super Massive Star,, and for basic calculations,, 100,000,000 wide. the next thing every scientist will tell you, is the star will explode out of both sides of its corona. That means the gravitational force, that was held on the outter corona, had slammed in, nothing else to keep it from enclosing. And BOOM,, Quasar Ejects out.
That would mean that the gravitational waves,, have already crushed the star down to 1/10 it's size on the solid core material left. 10,000,000 miles wide. It would have had to travel 90,000,000 miles,, and at 93,000,000 miles from earth,,our own star ,, takes 8 minutes to get here.
Either that.. Or?
2. When a star runs out of fuel,, it just sits there doing nothing,,waiting on the forces,, to move down, compress and enclose.
But they don't react that way.
So,, that would lean more to the plausible, that its the Gravitational waves,, compressing down in excess of the speed of light.
The compression generated, by gravitational waves,, compressing at faster than the speed of light,, is the multiplier that (gives the force, along with heat from compressing) and hyper rotation, that's not factored in.
When atoms are fused together by adding heat, such as hydrogen,, Nuclear Fusion. Just from two atoms, it's always amazed me. Causing two atoms to burst. Just intense.
On the level of compression fusion. And with enough force,, you can push two atoms together to the point of disruption. And Hyper Compression, with Hyper Heat and Hyper Rotation of a object. And the reason I am referring to Hyper is the fact, its very induction would be from, the force enclosing faster than the speed of light.
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Dark Matter in theory , has to exist,, in order to give supporting help to gravity, in order for a galaxy to grow. Physicist, have all agreed, and yes,, say it's been here since the beginning of time. Same as you do. But see,, it's that very statement , that makes me stand back,, and look again.
Gravity,, spread throughout the universe,, the giver, and taker of life. It, starts and end's,, every thing.
Take a star,, a massive star,, and it goes,, BOOM,, and then tosses out the Old Black hole. Now,, if this is in a place in the Universe,, and it starts pulling in the star's to form a galaxy. And then,, there is no dark matter there,, that would mean, the chances for galaxies,, to grow,, would be so much less. And that is against the harmony of the Universe.
yet in the Billions, and Billions, and Billions of examples,, we have,, with the galaxies, where the black hole keeps them spinning and moving,, would show, that the likely hood of the Dark Matter, the invisible space glue,, would more than likely,, be coming from the center of the galaxy at which they are formed. And the only thing there,, is a black hole. And while we both agree,, Gravity rocks,, we also know,, dark matter has to be present to support the galaxy structure.
Hence me having a hard time,, actually conceiving it was everywhere at once.
And when it comes down to whats,, not there,, what you cant see. If it's currently still impossible to see or measure. It's also possible, that the one's who came up with that (theory) also believe, that the Black hole is a gateway to another universe, and alter dimension.
(your turn Alan)
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Sorry Alan,
I didn't feel I had answered your question properly after I read what I wrote. I am going to try to explain it a little bit better.
The Universe has a harmony to it,, and that harmony gives creation to all things created. Gravity.
Every thing is formed, due to gravity. That's its harmony, simple as that. While a star is Awe inspiring, in the sheer amount of energy it generates, its due to gravity. Comet's hurling through space,, at speeds of 20,000 mph and up, Shoemaker Levy 9 ,,, hit with such force,, still showing on Jupiter. (sorry if I spelled that comet wrong).
Each star to each star , with their planets and the moons,, weaving in around the black holes,,the Most massive stars.
And back at the very beginning when it was all so fresh,, as the Universe exanded,,, look up at the 600 billion different galaxies,, and see that they weren't there yet. Only starting to just grow the first stars,, that would then spawn the first planets and moons. Weaving as it is now,, just like the Dinosaur's on the scale to us. Those stars,, with all the gases had to be Monsterous, I mean compared to what we have today,,after all by now we are on what,,third generation stars?
Every day,, black holes are being born,, the quasar pulses are being seen daily, how cool is that. Would the first black hole that was created,, as it pulled in the cosmic cocktail,, to start the galaxies,, that were to come. Those,, would have started their own dark matter. To be able to support,its own body,, galaxy legs so to speak. All the stellar bodies, that would be, at that time.
If upon the big bang, as the Universe was expanding,, it started rotating and burning with such speed,, faster than the speed of light. ZOOOOOM. Just super heating everything,,, and it was only on the cool down,, that gravity, was able to take effect and then start pulling on matter. Again every scientist will tell you,,yes,,it had to cool down. So dark matter,, would have had to be super hot and cooled, yet unseen, unmeasurable. (serving no purpose) . In the balance of universal harmony and gravity.
Would it be possible to measure the amount , of a unseen, undetectable force? Or can it strictly be theorized?
Or, is it possible, that in the middle of a blackhole, as gravity, does as it has done since the beginning of time,, and that is compress , but with a force,, that is 1 trillion times (not really sure the numbers) the first calculated forces,,due to the fact,, that Hyper Gravity slams in faster than the speed of light,,inducing aHyper rotation,, and continually pulls matter down to the superheated molten core, and due to such heat and compression ,,cause fusion to occur.
And that if a galaxy has to have (dark matter) that the black hole,, since a fusion,energy release,, would be happening inside,produce it's own dark matter. there by being self sustaining, as the Universe,, intended. Keeping the harmony of creation going.
Alan, I suggest we find us someone, who could actually calculate that type of force on what a Hyper Gravity would cause on a solid core already spinning as well as compression ratio's. And of course we would have to have them calculate the heat that it would cause, so that we would know if the core is liquid or not.
(because if the calculations are right, the of course, so would the fusion) = correct on the entire theory and although dark matter and dark energy, are undetectable , if the rest of the puzzle pieces fit. That one would have to as well.
and if 1+1=3 then wrong.
What do you think? Do you know any good mathamagicians? lol cause I wouldn't have a snow balls chance in h_ll of doing it . think we can get a volunteer?
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Good Morning Alan, I wanted to continue with this. You said.
**Okay I'm sorry but I must disagree to some extent. unknown compression load, gravity rotation. Everything else, but on the fusing part I have to take a disagreement with you can fuse all the way up to iron, then you must apply energy to fuse anything past that unfortunately you can't get past the size of the nucleolus of current calculations. They are big, they decompose once you get past a certain size. What you would actually end up with is a quark soup, and you would actually be shocked if you figured out how much compression.**
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I believe this will give you,, a glimpse of what type of (Power-Force) that is being done and on what scale.
When it comes to understanding the (Raw) force, of a Super Massive Star, that goes into a Hyper Nova State. You first have to see what is really happening inside of them.
When Hyper Gravity, comes into play as the Star runs out of fusion, It (slams) and I mean (SLAMS) down with enough raw force, so that as it compresses,, the outer corona burst, with a quasar pulse. So if a star is 100 million miles wide,, or if it's a billion miles wide. Everything, that isn't solid matter, and pulled down into the initial compression wave,, that would be crushing down.
This forces matter outwards,, and ejecting it at Speeds that are just unreal. But the one thing that gravity always does,, is stay constant. Meaning,, there is no hesitations,, no pauses, no,, waiting. It happens instantly.
When gravity,, exceeds the speed of light, and compresses inward, while at the same time,, forcing, Energy to Erupt, from the Corona's edge. The very *instant* this happen's,, if you started hitting the pause button to watch it.
You would have to start measuring the effect's of what's happening in plank-time in order to capture what true effect's inside would be. If you and I hold onto a metal pole,, if I start pulling on one end,, you instantly feel it on the other. This force would be the same inside of the Star, just plank-time prior to the quasar pulse being ejected.
The energy, that is inside of the star,, Is what is Erupting,, being blown out ,, by Gravitational waves,, exceeding the speed of light,, and sending the pulse,, through the cosmos.
Gravity, displacing energy at the speed of light. That is your corona burst,, and why,, and how,, the star stays in a stationary position, upon the instance of a Black Hole forming. And if enough raw power allows for energy displacement such as it does with the corona's burst.
Get this,, and here it comes,, (Tosses the baseball from the Pitchers mound,, as hear's the umpire yell STRIKE).
This mean's,, that even in the presence,, of the Ultimate moment of all force,, that we know and understand in the Universe,, that energy,, can,, escape in the presence of Hyper Gravity,, and this would mean,, that the only thing that can escape a black hole,, would be,, energy. And would leave more of a implication,, that it would be possible with proper spectrum analysis,, of detecting,, how, or what type of radiation (energy) would be emitted, from a black hole where compression fusion is occurring :) .
(I love a good early discussion,, bring coffee)
DanielB
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When a neutron decays into a proton, electron, and neutrino, it also releases energy, 780,000 eV, as the sum of the kinetic energy of the 3 particles. It is unreasonably difficult to get 3 separate particles to collide simultaneously, so the exact reverse of this never happens to a significant extent. It is particularly difficult to get the ghost-like neutrino to react on command with an electron and proton . Neutrinos are the particles that sail all the way through the earth, almost never bumping anything.
However, it is not so difficult for a balanced neutrino / anti-neutrino pair to be accidentally made out of pure excess energy, from the collision between an electron and a proton. Then you have the situation of the electron and proton and neutrino in the same place, merging to form a neutron, and an anti-neutrino flying away free carrying any excess energy (beyond the 780 keV that was needed to make up the neutron). I think this is one of the processes which together make sun-sized masses of neutrons when a neutron star is formed in a supernova explosion. Actually, in that situation the electron and proton are steadily squeezed together by pressure of others around them. Increasing pressure and temperature can smoothly change the energy of repeated collisions until the best energy is found, and the conversion becomes quite rapid and energy-efficient.
If the excess energy of collision is over 1,000 keV, other random particles might be made from the energy too. It only takes 1,020 keV to make an electron-positron pair, for example. I'm not sure what it takes to start emitting excess energy as gamma-ray photons.
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/phy00/phy00843.htm
:) I love working in the realm of Physic's. always growing and evolving within ourselves.
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I can't read or type as fast as you can write gimme a break, let me answer a couple of these points. 1st, in the beginning of the universe dark matter was the most predominant thing There was over time, this is changed dark matter has become dark energy. If your theory was correct, we should have more dark matter today not less. Also check into how much energy it takes to get two electrons to touch. I didn't see your point on fusing past the size of current atoms. It may be there. I haven't read all of what you wrote. I wanted to give you some kind of an answer before you wrote more. Also a black hole is compressing mass not releasing, I believe it was Stephen Hawkins, who proved that a black hole will bleed off tiny amounts of material called evaporation. This is not on the magnitude needed for the dark energy expansion that we have today. I kind of feel that dark matter was created in the beginning of the universe, the same as ordinary matter. By that I mean it's combination of quarks, the up and down quark forms ordinary matter. Some other combination of quarks forms dark matter. Then, like the neutron dark matter has deteriorated over time to become dark energy. Which would explain why we have more today than in the past and why there is less dark matter than before. And believe me I do understand the mass that is pressing on atoms in the center of a black hole. Check into solar fusion the center of the sun. It's actually an interesting read. The atoms break apart into a plasma I forget the actual number, but there's a whole Lotta misses for every fusion. And yes, I am more than willing to continue this discussion. Just please give me a chance to read your answers.
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i believe this is the workings of a supernova matter crashes down fusing up to the heavier elements, at that point no more fusion just compression, and at some point the atoms have had enough and explode.if this hyper compresssion was possible thered be no supernova just colapse.
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Just for the record, a neutrino can go through 3000 light years of solid lead and touch nothing. The funny thing about all this is if you follow it to its conclusion. Take all the matter of the universe. Make a supermassive black hole, the pressure in the center of this would be so immense that it might cause quarks to touch, and even to fuse in the event that happens, there would be an explosion of energy in the center of this black hole that would start with these quarks and electrons, they would be converted to pure energy pushing out against the black hole, which would keep collapsing in on them. This would be the makings of the Big Bang, the only thing that would be left would be energy and radiation.
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Alan,
Good Morning,
Fusion is taking place inside the core,, You know,, Hawkings would be right on one thing, there would be evaporation of sorts. Matter getting turned into energy, yea the matter would be getting used up. It's how the Black holes recycle. It's what they were designed to do. Support galaxies,, and recycle them.
My posting the pic,, wasn't to say it's Nuetrino's,, Heck for that matter, could it be possible for black holes to discharge nuetrino's,, they come from some where. LOL (It was to show, example only, that yes, with enough compression) fusion is possible.
And Hyper Gravity, I have a feeling may be more Hyper,, than I first may have thought. This could be really fun. :)
Daniel
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Morning Daniel
Most neutrinos come from solar fusion. Which is why they are so widespread throughout the universe. As far as the fusion inside black holes. I still tend to disagree with the concept past certain size atoms, beyond that is just compression. The weak force can only reach out so far and is in control of the atom size. I still feel that a supernova proves that fusion. Beyond a certain point doesn't happen.
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Gravity, no matter what,, will always do what gravity does. It compresses, and in a black hole, it has to be compressing with such a force,, that it would have no choice but to fuse them together, inducing fusion. Under Newtons second law, speed,, <--- is a variable factor.
And you as well as I know,, super compression,, of (what ever its creating) in the core,, just on the basic principles,, would heat the core, to a liquid state of matter.
If you consider,,, do the gravitational forces collapse with a speed in excess of the speed of light? How much force and pressure, and speed of rotation would the core have?
They say the speed of light is 700,000,000 miles per hour. (That's proven in physics) Is anything able to go faster than the speed of light? If gravitational compression waves close upon a massive stars core,, so rapidly, that the star's corona's edge, stay in place, as it does. It could only mean, that they are.
Does that break the law of physic's? No,, because,, speed,, does not break the law of physic's,, it's a measurable force. That's why you would be able to calculate,, 1,000 times the speed of light.
And you would be able to measure, that amount of force, hitting a object, already in rotation, the Hyper compression, Heat, Speed of rotation, these are all on level's, that haven't been measured or seen before. Not to this extent, the thing would be to actually get a estimation of what type of force that would applying to matter.
Since no one know's, as we can't see them, or inside of them (yet) . If,, the forces that crush in, on a black holes core. are measured,, and calculated. If those calculations=by simulation, the very thing that a black hole is doing. Then it's easy,, we would know if it would be possible.
I can't sit here, and tell you,, it's producing this element at it's core,, or radiating (this) particular particle . No one can, and any debate ,, would be that,, just a debate of a never ending. But ,, the thing with gravity,, is you have to take it,, as they say,, "One rotation at a time."
You and I both know, that they are compressing,, by figures,, think they are doing it on a Hyper Level,, and with a strength that, we haven't comprehended before. This is where we both know, on this road of discovery,, is where it has to start. And work it down from there. (True Force Calculations)
Peace and Luv
Daniel :)
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Like you say I'm not arguing about fusion, but I will argue past current atom sizes. After that I stick with compression, and I still use the supernova to prove my point. If it was super fusion. There would be no supernova. The only way there can be a supernova is if the outgoing energy surpasses the incoming gravity. Outside of that we are in agreement. On the dark matter and dark energy. I still do not feel like a black hole creates them, as you say, gravity pulls. Stephen Hawking's did prove that black holes do evaporate, but it is such a small amount it can't account for the dark matter or dark energy.
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Ouch,, sorry about that foot thing,, I remember how it felt when they dug shrapnel out of my left ankle back in 1980's.
On the Hyper Nova's, the fact that gravity does,, come down faster than the speed of light 100x's. Is how the gravity causes the Hyper Nova blowing the corona apart. You have to keep this in mind,, At the point gravity crushes in,, because there is no more nuclear fusion,, being generated to keep it out. The rest,, is kind of simple. Stand on a balloon, and watch it swell outwards and POP. Same concept,, its just a RFB balloon.
It causes the shell,, to Erupt.
You know as well as I do,, It's the speed at which it does crush inward, will determine what actual forces we are dealing with. I will set a focus to find the actual speeds.
Get your foot better, and lets continue this later, holler at me when your back up on two feet. Or at least can type. Prayers your way.
This week,, world problems,, next week, world peace.
DanielB
Humanity working for the betterment of all mankind.
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It is what it is, okay back to the argument while you're checking check on the amount of gravity required to get to electrons touch each other, you can also check into the amount of energy required to separate two quarks. I think the answers will surprise you. I'm standing pat uncompressed matter versus fusion past a certain point, and technically it's a moot point, because of a black hole was to blow it would be nothing but energy, i.e. the Big Bang.
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How much Energy does a Super Massive star put out each second ?
It would take, the equal amount of gravitaional force to hold it at the stale mate,, but it doesn't,, it's pushed it away from it's core,, where it started at . And give or take a couple of million miles on that,,,Pushes it 1.8 billion miles away.
Flex a compound bow,, and pull it back. And keep it tight,, Upon the release,, it will travel,, how many times faster, going back in,, than it did getting pulled back. Now,, pull your bow back again,, and this time,, Your compound bow,, has the amount of gravity,,, that holds,, a super massive star together,, every second,, holding back, 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 nuclear bombs a second. Now multiply that force,, to X's how fast that bow string would deliver (faster than the speed of light) . And put it on matter, and you see easily.. How it would crush, to generate not only compression fusion. That's the kind of force. Within a instant,, compresses the core,, and that Hyper gravity,,now spins the densest, thing that we can try to conceive. And it then within seconds,,puts the solid core into a Hyper drive. And its gravity,, then starts really crankup,,But,, there is still the corona around it.
It's been proven by the Quasar burst ,, that come out of them. But how would the corona still be there as the quasar comes out. Let your mind see gravity. And poof,,it'sthere. Because all this is,, is Gravity,, Just in a hyper state. No magic hole,,, It's gravity at the moment of acceleration,,That when it starts to eat the star,, it's gravitational field,,becomes instant. You can see the waves expand out,,and since this is the second it's happening, the gravitational field,extends upward,, and downward,,doing what gravity does. And it envelopes the corona,, that pull starts instantly,, you can now see the norther and southern corona's being pulled down towards the Black Holes core , in Hyper state. As the gravitational arms,,reach out,, and start to close around the equater of the star. The only problem, is the northern and southern poles now,,have pulled them down,, to the core, before, the arms enclosed. The causes the corona to burst,, as it does, every thing left,, explodes out in a violent burst. That would produce a hell of a quasar.
So since the north and southern poles, would be the start up of it's Hyper gravity, as they reach up,they pull the corona down at the same time at both poles. This deforms the corona, and since the new forming gravitational field , has not fully enclosed around the corona, the pressure of being literally, sucked to death,, causes a deformed,, more like the balloon when you step on it,,burst. Ejecting under Hyper gravitational force,,, a Quasar,,the remeninance of the star.
And then the arms of gravity finish their reach ,, and enclose around it. And that is how a black hole comes to life.
And all of that ,,done within Seconds,, Not hours, or half hours,, or even minutes. Done in seconds.
When it should take from the corona's edge, inward,, 80 minutes (IF) it were traveling at the speed of light. . But Done in seconds.
Now that would mean Hyper gravity, can travel, 100x's or would it be 1,000x's the speed of light? But then again I am not a mathamagician.
That's the forces once released from a Hyper state,, reacting faster than the speed of light. And if you use the star at 1.8 billion miles wide,, just say cover half that 900,00,000 miles wide,, and light travels at hmmmm 700,000,000 miles an hour. That's kind of simple to me,,on how gravity in a hyper state would react.
But, that is only if you see gravity doing what it does. Does it create compression fusion,, I myself, don't see how that amount of Hyper Gravity on those levels,, would not. Would it produce dark matter and dark energy? If it's generating fusion, it's producing something, we just haven't found the energies signature yet.
How could you prove this Theory? It's easy,, The Quasar Burst proves it. That is nothing more, than gravity, your seeing it's initial gravity,,, where,, and when,,, you see the North and Southern Poles,, start their reach. And Again, guess what,, It's gravity extension,,it's reaching,, would also be done at the speed of light.
DanielB
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When it comes to dark matter being generated,,let me explain why I see it coming from a black hole.
In the study of Universal Harmony, you can see the Universe expanding, it does so continually, (while I myself feel it rotates as it does,, and again feel it does at the speed of light, if it came from a explosion and with such heat,the laws of thermo dynamic's, and force from the explosion,would imply,it would have to ,, to me, it's just on a massive scale. After all, two part to one of matter and anti matter, two parts hit by one,, rotation, on explosion. ) (equals gravity and why it rotates).
Anyway,, the universe expands,,it would expand,, as the black holes, (self supporting) created dark matter, to allow them to carry the stars. Since there is more space,, than galaxies,, and while it expands faster than the dark matter can be generated by the blackholes,,Yes,, the calculations for dark matter would be less, now,, than in the past. Which also goes towards this very theory. I am glad you brought that up Alan, it keeps me from having to look back at the numbers. (smiley face),, lol yea I know you got a bad foot,,and can't chase me. haha.
So,, if Universal Harmony is maintained,, and every thing working within the laws of physics. That's how I see why they would create the dark matter. But, how would a black hole create dark matter? See above post on how compression fusion, would be the only way it would be possible. eating matter, breaking it down on the atomic level and digesting it inward. POOF creation of galaxies,, and as I say,,over 600 billion different examples.
DanielB
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Good morning
Okay I'm going to be difficult what element do you think is being created in your hypoperfusion, approximate atomic weight would be helpful. According to theory dark matter holds the galaxies together. Dark energy is pushing them apart, where in your theory is dark energy created. PS you don't need to worry about me catching you I passed you by.
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Alan,
You dont even give a man time to drink coffee, I just found out what a black hole truly was last night,, same as you when you read it. Sheesh. What elements it doing? (I dont know,, but I think It would take about a week to figure out) LMAO.
You see it don't you? LOL,, yea,, I nailed it on that one. Now the really fun part begins,, We get to see ,, now that we know what a black hole is really doing,, and how,, and why..
We get to discover,, what it is producing. See last night after I finished what it was. It made me think,, they have miscalcuated,, due to the fact, that didnt have the true power,, and gravitational forces in place . So they may have actually miscalculated,, the amount of gravity that a black hole produces,, and it would mean we may need to rethink,, how galaxies are held together,, Who knows if they need dark matter,, or any other support,, if its' gravitational field,, was a bit more intense.
This is where excitment,, meets adventure. I look forward to continue.
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Ok,, well now that you see how a black hole is formed,, what it's doing,, how gravity is creating, and crushing,, and yes,, you can now see how gravity,, for the first time,, roars to life. Reaches up,, and expands out,, as it takes shape and form.
This actually answers another question. How are Super Massive Stars formed?
Now it becomes quite clear,,,,,,, Upon the instance of Nuclear Fusion,, the compressed matter ,, compared to density and size,, would reach out with it's Magnetic field,, and envelope the Hydrogen gas, that outside of it's core region,, and trap it,, pulling it back to the middle. Gravity, in a Hyper state ,, generating for the first time.
Now I can see clearly,, how a star could grow to 1.8 billion miles wide.. The gravitational arms reaching out,, pulling in more matter. So that when the fusion starts,, it then,, would become compressed,, due to ,, (extra) gases and matter, that it's own Hyper gravity, would close around.
Yes,, the Cosmos,, when you understand, that gravity, starts it all, gravity finishes it all,, And gravity,, is the reason.
In Universal Harmony,, the simplicity of gravity, is what makes it hard to understand. You cannot set boundaries, on what you do not understand or conceive. Or for hundreds of year's,, it will have you chasing your tail. But when you see gravity, in it's relaxed state, and in a super state, all the way to a Hyper state. It explains,, every action in our cosmos. And this will allow for Quantum Gravity, to be more visible,, in it's interacting with Quantum Mechanic's.
Which would mean, with clarity, we need to possibly re-calculate, a lot of mis-cepted view's. and possibly make the solutions. Easier, since the true nature ,, speed and force of gravity,, is now,, explained.
DanielB
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Now that gravity,, can be seen traveling faster than the speed of light,, you can see where the point of stellar or inter galactic travel,, would be best formulated off of a Gravitational hyper drive.
That is where we would be able to obtain the speed to move from one galaxy to the other,, and doing it, within a time frame, where human life can evolve.
Gravity,, solves it all :)
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Okay, now you're starting to get to some of my theories, in the beginning of time there was an era called inflation. When the body of the universe grew faster than the speed of light. There had to be reasons why this is possible, had the 4 forces separated or were they still combined at this point. I believe gravity had separated out, which is the interesting point because my theory's run along the line that the graviton travels with the photon, which is why light is affected by gravity. I believe that light has a finite speed, but I don't believe gravity has a finite speed, so at the time when they were separated. Faster than light travel was possible.
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Alan,
I have to say,, this is the way I see. That if you look at it. And let the process evolve as it does with gravity. The way I think, I can see two peices of matter hit by one anti matter, would cause a reaction. Causing the now point of explosion, to expand, and heat, heat is movement, and the outer edge of the universe to me,, would have to be rotating, and causing the gravitational forces inside of it self. And as it stretches out,, gravity, starts,, and grabs its first grain of material to start forming what ever.
But when you think of a corona burst, and quasar discharge. It can only happen,, if gravity, is reaching up and grabs it from the north and south for the first time. It starts sucking the corona's poles inward. This would cause it to deform, going flat downward on the top and bottom, and as it does,, that causes the compression to go outward's,,, the outer edges of the corona's would then extend out. And as the pressure would builld (balloon style if you stepped in the middle of a balloon. )
Would gravity, as it's known in quantum gravity,,do that? Yes it would,, to the letter. If a black hole is what I have said it would be..Otherway, that instant of start up gravity,, wouldnt be able to deform a star like that. And the Quasar pulse, star matter, and a lot of photon's, being ejected at the same time, literally forced out, in a single direction, instead of radiated out. And that explains why it's the brightest thing in the known Universe.
Every bit of that, that they wondered what it was,. Is explained by the Quasar burst.
This would mean in order for gravity,, to cause the core of the black hole to Hyper accelerate for it to instantly,,cause that burst, upon sucking in the north and south pole of the corona. Is if Gravity,, does go faster than the speed of light.
And why Gravity,,has such a affect on the photon's. And not photon's affecting gravity.
Other than that Alan,, if that's how a black hole causes a Quasar burst. That it self, by and within the laws of physic's. Mean's that it operate's and has to exist in the laws of physics. And the only way it would be happening is, if it is transforming matter ,, that it takes in,,and crushes down. And that would mean producing something.
My theory of the singularity,, explains,, how and what black holes are created,, and how their gravitaional field's are produced, and on such a infinate level of gravity. All because,, we see the Quasar Burst.
Other than what they actually produce. In the laws of Quantum Physic's. Do you see any thing, in the way I explain gravity, pulling the Corona down and causing the Quasar Burst?
(Yea here is where I am grinning )
Now that my (facts) :) Explain that.
Let's play with the possibilities of expanding on it,, to find,,, what it's really doing? you up for it?
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Again, you have about 10 subjects in one thing, I have several posts explaining how the photon and gravitons work together. The graviton travels with the photon, which is why the photon is affected by gravity. I believe that if you separate the photon and the graviton they are capable of 2 different speeds that light is the limiting factor in that the graviton can actually travel faster. I believe a prime example of this is the inflation era the beginning of time when the universe expanded faster than the speed of light.
Dark matter, dark energy, and quasars are still major discussions, in the beginning of the universe dark matter was the largest percentage of anything dark energy was not even mentioned, over time this has changed now dark matter is the 2nd most prevalent thing, and dark energy is the most prevalent. I believe that dark matter is a combination of quarks other than the up and down quark. And that overtime it deteriorates and becomes dark energy. Dark matter cannot come from a black hole 1 because a black hole is attractive and is not producing material and 2 because you cannot create atoms larger than current sizes. They would have a very short half-life. It would and would disappear quickly. Also, based on the amount of dark matter in the universe, and the amount of gravitational affect it has, it is a light material similar to hydrogen, which is also why I say it was formed in the beginning of the universe.
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Again I know I have about 10 things in one post.
1. Gravity exceeds the speed of light. (during black hole formation)
2. Hyper gravity
3. How a Quasar if formed
4. Compression Fusion (matter can transform not disappear)
5. How a star deforms by gravitational waves
6. Hyper speed on a black holes core (induced by the compression rotation)
7. Where dark matter / energy comes from
8. That black holes produce the balance of galaxies on their own
9. That the Universe expanded at the speed of light and rotates
10.That the black hole de atomizes all matter for induction
Yea you were right , ten of them,but they all go hand in hand so well. I won't disagree with you on gravity exceeding the speed of light. The way I see a star collapse on it, the way it produces the quasar burst. Focusing all the those photon's to erupt out as it does. Yea,, I totally agree with you.
You know it's only on where dark matter comes from. While I see compression fusion,, I will quite easily say,, It may not be dark matter. But then again,, you know as well as I do. With the pressure of the compression, the inner core would be liquid. And the heat index, would be so far off the scale, we wouldn't know exactly, what it would be creating,, (yet)
The only reason, there are 10 different things, are that they all happen,, within seconds,, and why they are entwined.
When it comes to the Universe,, exceeding light speed, theoretically, since it expands,, faster and faster the further away it gets That would mean, to the Universe,, as its creating,, What it's creating,, is standing still to it. Because, it would never see what it's doing.
:) Kind of cool when you think of it ya know.
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You know I have been wondering how it could be done in seconds, and then it came to me. (Theoretically) the moment, that the gravitational wave's, would rush in faster than the speed of light. To the gravity it would seem to it, that time would stand still. And when the hyper gravity is induced,, the star only feels,, the gravity as it takes effect. And that would add to how that Pulsar is ejected,, streaming all the photons and star matter out in a single direction burst.
(add theory number 11) but you see how (theoretically) it would be.
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The speed of sound in steel is 5,960 meters per second. It travels over seventeen times faster through steel than through air. Generally, sound speed through solids is fastest because molecules in a solid medium are much closer together than those in a liquid or gas.
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That is just some fun information. And here is why,,, A gravitational wave, and sound wave,, are nothing more than energy waves.
Energy-Amplitude Mathematical Relationship
The energy transported by a wave is directly proportional to the square of the amplitude of the wave. This energy-amplitude relationship is sometimes expressed in the following manner.
This means that a doubling of the amplitude of a wave is indicative of a quadrupling of the energy transported by the wave. A tripling of the amplitude of a wave is indicative of a nine-fold increase in the amount of energy transported by the wave. And a quadrupling of the amplitude of a wave is indicative of a 16-fold increase in the amount of energy transported by the wave. The table at the right further expresses this energy-amplitude relationship. Observe that whenever the amplitude increased by a given factor, the energy value is increased by the same factor squared. For example, changing the amplitude from 1 unit to 2 units represents a 2-fold increase in the amplitude and is accompanied by a 4-fold (22) increase in the energy; thus 2 units of energy becomes 4 times bigger - 8 units. As another example, changing the amplitude from 1 unit to 4 units represents a 4-fold increase in the amplitude and is accompanied by a 16-fold (42) increase in the energy; thus 2 units of energy becomes 16 times bigger - 32 units.
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Now take a gravitational wave that is holding back a star. What allows (energy,sound,gravitational waves) to move faster?
Due to heat, density and pressure,, and constant vibrating state. This allows for gravitational waves to transition and move through the plasma at such a Hyper speed.
Our Sun's density ~1400 kg/m3 .
Hyper gravity,, with a turbo boost from Heat, and movement, and vibration of the stars,, allow it to quite easily exceed the speed of light.
(You can learn a lot from sound waves, if you are quite enough to listen)
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Let's start with the last point. Number 11 the speed of light is the maximum in a vacuum run it through some medium slows it down that fast. This is the difference between light gravity and sound. I say that the graviton travels with the photon. The graviton is capable of faster than light travel and will do so when separated from the photon during the collapse of the star it probably happened so fast and the heat is so high that light can be separated from the graviton which allows faster than light travel outside of that, I'd have to disagree.. It's just like you're stepping on a balloon and it pops and explodes. This is an unfair description of a supernova, because you are localizing pressure in one direction, allowing the balloon to expand in the direction example foot goes down compression side to side, the balloon expands and blows. Put a steel shell around the blown and compress that does the balloon blow. No it just compresses, which is what I say happens with a supernova. It would just compress until it reaches a point where the pressure going out is greater than the compression coming in. Then you have a supernova. If it was fusing it would just keep fusing there would be no explosion, but it can only fuse so far, then it begins to apply outward pressure and will explode into a supernova will let's get these 2 , ironed out, then we'll tackle the rest
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I had a most wicked dream last night. I woke up ,, and I was standing inside of the Universe, I was looking at it,, watching it expand,, almost like a bubble. It was just awe inspiring, I could see the Heat being generated, at the expansion, the gases and particle's that would be left, just floating, hot, not yet cooled down. I blinked my eye's, and it was gone, and I almost panic'd, but then I felt pulled through time, and I saw it again,, over and over. And I thought about how rapidly it was truly expanding, and my mind went back to gravity. In this post ,, not to far back, I had said, the Universe was rotating, which now after having that dream,, I see how that would be a impossibility.
And I know the gravitron is a fascinating (unknown) pariticle, but it had to come from somewhere, and the first place to look is at the creation of the Universe itself. Did the big bang happen,, of course it did,, if it didn't the laws of physic's would not exist. Did the Universe travel faster than the speed of light, I see it has having had to. That explains the expansion and why objects that are two time further away from us,, are traveling two times as fast,, and those three time further away are doing so three times as fast. I believe that once it exceeded the speed of light, it has continued to do , and increasing in speed as it does.
But,, it's the rotation part, that had me so hung up,, till I saw ,, the expansion is faster than would be an allowed rotation,, of even once. I got to thinking about the milky way galaxy,, from its age,, to it's rotationary speed. And thought,, well,, at this speed,, it would have rotated,,some,, 18,000 times,, since it's existance if it were it's current size. But then, by the laws of gravity and time,, at it's youth,, would have been smaller , there fore allowing for rotation size to have been smaller,, so give or take, a few thousand spins. Still not that many on the scale of it. Calculate the earths,, and zoom. So of course,, the smaller the object,, the more,, and vise versa.
Now take it to the largest known object,, the Universal Walls. If it's attempted rotationary force,, were always being pushed,, that rotation wouldn't be allowed to happen. And that force, would build up the charge,, and then expend it outward. Almost like a static discharge. If the Universe's rotational energy is held say about half way,,, and I say that, because,, that number is so vast I couldn't even attempt to conceive. But, if it's held there, not being allowed to move , due to the size and speed of the expansion. Would that static build up,, of attempted rotation, result as a sub atomic particle of (gravitron) . Since gravity, is throughout all of the Universe, it would be spread as it expand's, and a sub atomic particle that can move, faster than the speed of light. (think about how it was distributed, gravity is everywhere)
Ok Alan, there is where I see the gravitron coming from. What's your thought?
P.s. We just disagree on number 11, I did say theoretically on that one lol.
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No I dont think I am down playing a supernova,, what I am doing is explainging,, in a Hyper Nova,, the one's that create the black holes.
Below is the picture,, at what would be happening inside of the star. The core would start to hyper accelerate due to the gravities compression on it. And then,, the arms of gravity would reach upward,, instantly starting to pull the corona down. The force of the gravity at the north and southern poles of corona would be pulled downward. The outer edges of the star's corona,, would start to deform on their own. The vacuum pressure, that would be created from the suction of the black hole inside of the star, that fractions of a second ago,, would reach out that fast.
And when it deforms it,, it continues to suck the star,, The suction from the black hole inside of it shell,, causes it to burst. Its all gravity,, nothing more,, and when it burst,, it continues to suck,, at the moment it fractures, the outer corona,, is when the black hole forces the rest of the star to eject,, (star matter, including photons) in a directional burst. And how you see a quasar formed.
The only representation of the balloon being stepped on,, was to see the deformation only.
It burst with gravitational forces of the black hole sucking inward on itself.
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Remember,, what your seeing,, is gravity starting up in a hyper state. The arms that would reach around the corona of the star,, haven't gotten there yet,, it's why the rupture takes place.
Here is where only one of two options would happen. The black hole starts and it's gravity is instant,, in which case,, nothing escapes a black hole,, not even light,, there fore no quasar would erupt.
If you see Hyper gravity starting for the first time,, there will always,, be a Quasar burst.
It's just how gravity,, would cause it to react.
It would look like this afterwards :)
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Once the star is sucked in,, and it burst,, the rest of the corona would spread outward,, what wasn't caught in the full effect of the New gravity, that has been induced.
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Okay, sorry you can argue with me all you want but, your arguing with physics light travels in a vacuum at Max speed when it passes through other materials it slows down. this is the principle behind prism as the light travels through the glass. It hits the angled surface and is reflected separated into colors based on speed. As far as the graviton is concerned, it separated out of the electromagnetic spectrum. right after the Big Bang. As the universe cooled it is the most energetic and was therefore the 1st thing to separate out. At this point inflation occurred in the universe, and it spread faster than the speed of light as the other forces separated out of the electromagnetic spectrum things slow down to what we see today. It was 380,000 years till the 1st particles of hydrogen appeared. Gravity spread throughout the universe. During this time it is and was at all corners of the universe. All matter was created during this time it just didn't combine into protons and neutrons till later. I feel that the other quarks combined in some combination to create dark matter as time has passed dark matter deteriorates into dark energy. Just like the neutron deteriorates into the proton.
Even in your example, the star which creates the dust is circular. Just as in real life it is a circle as the whole thing collapses. There are no arms reaching up from the sides to grab the 2 poles as the whole thing collapses. As far as a quasar is concerned, it's the spinning mass at the axis is or poles hitting on itself throw in on itself and, out into space. It has 2 choices into the gravity well, or be thrown out, because of colliding with itself.it is not like the Balloon example.
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I am not arguing,, I am stating the factual way that gravity acts.
Inertia is the resistance of any physical object to any change in its state of motion (including a change in direction). In other words, it is the tendency of objects to keep moving in a straight line at constant linear velocity. The principle of inertia is one of the fundamental principles of classical physics that are used to describe the motion of objects and how they are affected by applied forces.
(You take the core of a star,, as the fuel runs out,, Gravity will move in upon it,, pressing from all directions,, but you already know gravity,, will cause a rotation, because gravity has a direction). When it's already induced a gravitational field. ) Such as holding a star and it's nuclear fusion together. That core is not standing still. Nothing in the star is standing still.
In physics, the kinetic energy of an object is the energy which it possesses due to its motion.[1] It is defined as the work needed to accelerate a body of a given mass from rest to its stated velocity. Having gained this energy during its acceleration, the body maintains this kinetic energy unless its speed changes. The same amount of work is done by the body in decelerating from its current speed to a state of rest.
Inertia and Kinetic energy,,,,, If you have a solid core,, already in motion,, rotating . So when the pressure is exerted on the core,, (Why would it not,, induce a Higher gravitational field?) I mean honestly,, under the laws of physics,, why would this action not take place? Why would gravity not rush in? *Plain fact,, it would* No if and's or but's about it. Gravity, in the absence of the Nuclear Fusion it's been holding back,, Would,, enclose. No more than that,, but no less than that either. Laws of Inertia and Kinetic energy would come into play.
The core starts *instantly* to Hyper accelerate as the pressure waves of gravitational force are pressed onto a object already in directional rotation, and just as you were spinning a basketball on your finger, that rotation, would be accelerated. Inside of the star that has the density,, the mass,, it would cause the solid core,, to Increase speed instantly,, and this would do nothing , but cause the solid core, as the gravity increases the compression and density,, to,
**according to you,, do nothing**
So if I go with that thought,, No gravity takes place,, it just goes (poof) and doesnt do anything I have said. So it just sits there. and fades. Goes black,, and,, Yea,, that doesn't makes sense to anyone who understands gravity on what it does. (your right ,, we will disagree).
But instead,, the laws of physic's, quantum gravity, inertia, kinetic energy,,,, would all be wiped away,, and not happen because you cannot see gravity start up in a Hyper state for the first time.
But,, since I understand the very basic's of gravity and a gravitational field,, It is,, the only way,, that gravity,, would cause the corona to deform and the star to fold in upon itself,, It's gravity,, plain and simple.
And unless you feel,, that a star and quasar,, takes,, hours,, and hours to do,, again,, this would be wrong,, these are forces,, that react,, within seconds,,,, of the collapse. Not hours,, not days. Seconds..
And since this is all done in the presence of a gravitational field,, already in motion,,,, It COULD only be ,, gravity. Doing what it does..
If you are searching for the gravitron,, and to be able to say,, it travels faster than the speed of light,, (you yourself think so already) why could you not see gravity doing what you yourself,, as well as I agree,, that it does exceed the speed of light,, it just has to be in a hyper state to do so. And during the big bang,, there was nothing but heat,, almost like a hot box,,, The universe,, was small then,, heat contained,, It's only during the expansion,, that allowed the universe to cool down,, and due to the vastness now,, the cool down on the outer edges of the universe would be cooling down faster now,, than it did back then. Due to the fact,, it had no -200 degrees in the vacuum of space ,, back then,, because it had all been super heated.
It's good to disagree,, Otherwise,, nothing would ever get viewed from another person's perspective.
But,, If you see how gravity act's,, react's,, and is done,, Yes,, It's Hyper gravity,, that pulls the corona down. No more,, No less.. Quantum Gravity, Inertia, Kinetic Energy,, say so. It's their laws, not mine.
Yes,, you can give gravity a speeding ticket.
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Wave lengths,, and wave length travel.
Waves are just plain cool,, Gravitational waves,, travel, sort of like sound waves, which if you actually think,, if you want to understand the (gravitron) you have to understand how it would travel,, what would effect it,, what would slow it down and what would speed it up.
Heat,, heat is motion,, heat is just plain HOTTTT!!!!
Example,, Sound waves,, 750 mph in air,, 3500 mph in water, 12350 mph through steel.
Generally, sound speed through solids is fastest because molecules in a solid medium are much closer together than those in a liquid or gas. ((now add heat,, but not just heat,, 5500 K up to 10000k , and a stars Super dense core,,,this is only the heat level,, that our star/sun would be doing, not accounting for the one's that create the black holes,, which are 20 times the mass and density of ours.))
Would,, super density,, super heat,, add to the ability of gravity,, (waves) held in a hyper state,, suddenly released,, *travel*???? I see the results,, in a quasar burst,,,, the brightest object in the known Universe,, get ejected from a star,, when it goes into black hole state.
This is the very proof,, that the gravity,, does deform the star's corona,, it compresses and pulls the star inward,, forcing the burst,, forcing the quasar out. In that very moment,, that is done,, the only force present,, in all of the Universe that is within that star, that could do that very thing,, is Gravity,, and only gravity,, It's just in a hyper state.
((You say you dont agree with it)) You know I can understand you not agreeing,, so, In your honest opinion,, Since you do not feel it's gravity. Could you not say you disagree,, but tell me what it's really doing? OR is it that you can't see it yourself,, so you just disagree?
Tell me your thoughts on what you feel would cause it. Because when you see it for what it truly is,, It's the heaviest subject there is,, only gravity.
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General relativity predicts that gravitational radiation should exist and propagate as a wave at lightspeed: a slowly evolving and weak gravitational field will produce, according to general relativity, effects like those of Newtonian gravitation.
Suddenly displacing one of two gravitoelectrically interacting particles would after a delay corresponding to lightspeed cause the other to feel the displaced particle's absence: accelerations due to the change in quadrupole moment of star systems, like the Hulse–Taylor binary have removed much energy (almost 2% of the energy of our own Sun's output) as gravitational waves, which would theoretically travel at the speed of light.
Isaac Newton's formulation of a gravitational force law requires that each particle with mass respond instantaneously to every other particle with mass irrespective of the distance between them. In modern terms, Newtonian gravitation is described by the Poisson equation, according to which, when the mass distribution of a system changes, its gravitational field instantaneously adjusts. Therefore the theory assumes the speed of gravity to be infinite.
(I myself feel that these two are proven,,, upon the Burst of the Quasar,, as gravity,, does,, reach up and pull down into itself, with the corona,, forcing the bursting of the stars outer corona).
This would be exactly how the start up,,from a body already in motion,, applied force,, = Quasar burst= black hole.
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Okay, it's a lot. To squeeze into one paragraph. I do not disagree with just about everything you said, gravity will pull it in it will fuse no argument. My argument is where the fusion stops I do not feel that you can create atoms bigger than are currently known after you reach that state all you can have is compression or a free plasma for protons, neutrons, electrons. I do not argue gravity is the strongest force of the universe. I could be talked into an argument on gravity waves, but outside of that I agree with what you said.
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Alan,, Your not going to believe this,, give me a day,,I actually found that damn gravitron,,, (it's mis-named) by the way LOL.
I have to get this written down,, before I put it here,, but, yea,, found that little SOB ha ha. Or actually ,, its not misnamed,, Just on what they think it is.
I have to take a couple of days to complete this,, but,, I Found it :)
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I will give you a Hint,, a gravitron proved it,, when I found it that is. It peiced it where it should be quite literally for everything.
Newton , Einstein, both saw it, they wrote about it, they didnt realize they did, other scientist kind of clouded the skies so to speak, with taking Theoretical, and using it for a term, to go outside of physics. But Newton and Einstein, never did, they saw it.
The answer was in the Stars,, I will get with you about the mid part of the up coming week.
DanielB
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Okay, let me know what you come up with. And you research and I've ever found, says the graviton is the force carrier for gravity.
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In order to understand the Universe fully, the very first thing you have to understand,, is it's current shape. Imagine almost like a bubble, the shell, outer layer of the Universe. But at the time if the big bang,, not only did the expansion start to take place. The expansion,, started to do something , as it expanded,, it started to rotate, so the outer shell of the Universe, as it did,, from those two small particles of matter, expanded, and rotated,, faster than the speed of light. And in the ticks of planktime,, started creating matter, and as it expanded,, the thin layer,, of gravitational waves,, stretched from the inside of the matter, to the other side of the bubble, of the Universe.
Kinetic Energy: In physics, the kinetic energy of an object is the energy which it possesses due to its motion. It is defined as the work needed to accelerate a body of a given mass from rest to its stated velocity. Having gained this energy during its acceleration, the body maintains this kinetic energy unless its speed changes. The same amount of work is done by the body in decelerating from its current speed to a state of rest.
Since this motion and force, are both done in excess of the speed of light, we have no way of truly understanding the amount of force,, and speed that it would be doing. (For now). But will a bit further along in the explanation of it. It's within this force.. of the expansion. that it all comes together.
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This would be the first few ticks of planktime,, on how it would look. The gravitational wave, extending from one side to the other. And as the universe expands,, so does the gravitational wave,, that's in the middle. As the Universe expands,, So does that gravitational wave band.
Einstein saw it,, and it's in his General Relativity, its only when you realize, that mass and density, do not distort space time,, but rather,, displaces space time. We are not sitting on spacetime,, instead, we are in the river of a gravitational wave,, suspended Universally. Below is how it would look to you today.
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When you see how the Universal wall,, and gravitational wave,, that are emitted from the side of the Universe. Everything will start coming into view and clarity.
1. After the first 350,000 years,, See,, this is what had me confused. It was the cool down,, where they said the Universe had to cool down. That it had to cool down in order for gravity to take effect. This is the most confusing thing in the world to me,, HOW,, would it do that. See if it did have to wait till the cool down. Then that would mean,, that gravity,, will be affected by heat. And if that's the case,, it would have trouble creating a star, due to having to heat it up past 15million degrees.
Gravity,, is all you need,, all there is,, all there will be. Gravity, present at the beginning the instant the big bang happened.
You see how it was sub atomic at the first. It would have grown in all directions at once,, so, the only way,, would be spherical. Gravity, and the universe form everything in just that fashion. Solar systems, galaxies,, even our very universe,, inside of it's protective shell ,, would be that shape. And rotate,, it's why nothing stands still.
The cool down,, was nothing more,, than the matter, having to fall down,, and (COLLECT) in the gravitational wave of the Universe, and then start forming,, what we know to be in existance, of our place in the cosmos today.
Imagine the universe expanding,, the Thickness of the (linar) wave of gravity ,, getting thicker as the Universe ages. It's why,, you see something two times the distance away from us,, and its moving two times as fast. The thicker the gravitational waves in the middle gets, as matter (collects) from the Upper and lower edges of deep spaced, where all the matter would fall from,, the Universal wall.
This would be close, and resemble this photo.
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Along the middle dark line,, would be the Universal gravity wave. Which covers,, every galaxy, every star,, every solar system. It entwines us,, in the Virgo Super Structure and every Galactic Super Structure that attaches to ours and links. The gravitational wave,, Proof of its very existence,, is by the fact, that you see,, object two times and five times away,, and they are moving away just as fast. They are not being thrown about,, which mean's there has to be a gravitational force present to keep that from happening. And there is,, its the Universal gravity wave, that keeps everything, in place, with control of holding it in spacetime. And as the wave,, grows larger from the expansion,, it's why you see them moving away , as the waves expands at the same rate, the walls expand, outward.
And upon,, realizing,, that Gravity,, was present and is constant,, And flows from one side of the Universe to the other. You realize,, the Einstein was right,, he had it ,, (almost).
General Relativity and Spacetime, in order for Einstein's theory to be fully complete.. You have to do one thing,, realize,, Mass and Density,, DO NOT DISTORT spacetime. They merely displace, spacetime,, already emerged in a gravitational wave. This now will allow you to exceed the speed of light.
Example,, in our Known Universe,, if a object,, is 700,000,000 times further away from us,, How fast is it moivng? Yes,, you are correct,, 700,000,000 miles faster away from us. (Exceeding the speed of light).
This is how when you see the gravitational wave of the Universe,, getting thicker,, and as the walls expand,, and grow,, so does the gravitational wave,, and as it expands, as the Universe does,, explains it. It moves away,, at the speed the Universal walls would be traveling.
And now the Vacuum of space,, that we have wondered why it reacts as it does,, Is merely,, the gravitational waves of the Universe expanding.
With 600 million different galaxies,, and examples to see, as they stack upon each other,, you would see the gravitational wave,, filled just like this,, with (galaxies up on galaxies up on galaxies).
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The gravitational wave,, while I cannot conceive how wide,, just to toss a number out,, say,, a Google wide. As compared to the rest of the expanding shell around it.
This means,, that gravity, was what Einstein saw,, as Spacetime. We just don't sit on top of it,, but inside of it. Since, gravity is a constant in our Universe,, this now explains,, whey objects, outside of a gravitational field, now have gravity, when inside of space. They are in a river of gravity, so that any object, that has,, .000001 will attract in space, a gravitron from the Universal gravity,, that supports every object in space.
Can a galaxy support it'self with out the assistance of dark matter? Of course it does,, the computer models and simulation's that physicist, have looked and searched for, and had to adjust,, by adding the (something extra- they called dark matter). There was no need for it, Universal gravity, is what it was,, the entire time. They even measured it, on the galactic, scale, when they made the model for the computer simulation,, They even have measured it. The funny thing was they thought it was dark matter, ,when the entire time,, it was Universal Gravity.
Gravitrons, are the sub atomic particles, that are constant in the wave of Universal gravity that hold the very existance of all known, space together. Not dark matter, and when you understand General relativity, the only hang up,, was in the part,, that didn't get closed. That instead of sitting in space time, distorting it,, It's more like being immersed in it, that spacetime flows around us. The fabric of time, is now exactly what it is, the fabric of Gravity , reaching from one side of the Universe to the other.
Newton saw Gravity as a constant,, and he was right,, always present,, always affecting every piece of matter, that will be. Again, I think back to the (cool down), it was matter gathering and collecting, and getting pulled into the Universal gravity wave. So that it could, start doing what it's suppose to ,, create in perfect harmony, on it's own. There are no unknown factor's now, just the Universe, showing that Gravity is truly all you need.
E=mc2 Einstein saw it in the star's, and Newton in the comet's. See once you take General Relativity, and then allow it to displace,, vs. distort, you can see how the comet's,, that sling out so far,, why they come back,, It's the density of matter, that displaces space time, much like a submarine in water. But with gravity, already infusing every stellar body outside of a gravitational field, it explains how they return.
When Albert, started looking at the star, is where he really nailed it,, gravity, was dead on. He saw the GR and it's proven even more so in the star. How could gravitational waves,, enclose on a star, when it runs out of fuel, with enough force and speed, to compress the core's into Neutron Stars, into White/Black dwarfs.
Since gravity is a constant,, it falls into the aspects of gravity.
1. Universal Gravity: Gravitational Waves that emit from one side of the galaxy to the other in which all existence of creation,, continue to form and gather and would be reactive only to the Universal wall. Universal gravity would also cause visible particles as well as sub atomic particles in space to gain, gravitational waves, due to being immersed in a flow of gravity.
2. Galactic Gravity: Gravitational Waves, that form, when matter gathers in density with movement and rotation within the Gravitational River of Universal gravity. (its how you see whirl pools in a river).
3. Hyper Gravity: Gravity holding back Nuclear Fusion.
When gravity and a star meet,, gravity, always wins. And as Gravity is in a constant state,, this would allow it to close in faster than the speed of light to induce,, the density of all star's upon their deaths,, their cores,, being Hit with a Constant,, as well,, as when Gravity,, Held in a Hyper state,, then enclose. Producing only in Hyper Nova's,, Black holes.
This also add's to the force,, of who Compression fusion done,, the constant,, adding.
Upon searching,, seeing gravity with a constant state,, as well as ,, Hyper gravity,, enclosing,, and bursting the stars corona,, as Hyper gravity is induced.
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Gravitron's are every where, like nutrino's,, the reason for the gravitron's,, they are continually emitted and flow around us,, in the Universal gravity,, enveloping and covering every particle.
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Top View of our Universe.
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As it moves around inside of our sphere, this would be the top view,, Matter gathering on the edges, the top and bottom. We would be enclosed,, within the fabric, galaxy on galaxy on galaxy,, layering,, If you view the image below,, you will see,, how they would entwine,, and how young our Universe truly is.
We would be somewhere in the middle,, with 13.8 billion years of layers upon layers over us.
Newton saw the speed of gravity, how it would and could react, and yes,, in a constant state. Einstein knew the final answer was in the stars. A Universe, that has a harmony to it. And upon unlocking Hyper gravity,, the answer came into full light.
Why would our Universe look like a galaxy? Because, its follows the examples of all things. Over time would it build up in the middle of our Universal shell? Form a core of galaxies? Possibly. Or continue on the wave that is liner for the universal gravity wave.
Now you can see..
How General Relativity, had to be allowed for immersion in spacetime not sitting on top of it.
How speed of gravity does exceed the speed of light
How gravity works as a constant.
How the vacuum of space is explained.
How if a object is 5 times further away at how it moves five time as fast away.
How a Quasar is created.
How a black hole's core is created.
You have just seen how the Universe,, Truly works.
And when you see the truth in how gravity works,, and how it creates everything,, the truth of what's happening,, you can never again,, see it as anything less.. Otherwise,, it just wouldnt work.
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Gravitrons,, a constant sub atomic particle, that unseen,, supports all Universal matter within the field of the Univeral Gravitational wave. (Many scientist,, call this dark matter). It's nothing less,, than just gravity, the sub atomic particle, ,that holds all galaxies in space, in the galactic river of space time.
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This falls inline,, within the realms of physic's, and is supported by General Relativity, Quantum Gravity, Quantum Mechanics.
And also explains,, distortion,, vs displacement.
Since you now see that every thing that in the Universe, where you are,, where our tiny dot of a 600,000,000,000 mile wide galaxy,, falls in place. In the middle some 11 billion years ago.
The cool down,, was nothing more than matter falling and getting pulled down into the universal gravitational wave to start forming. This would also be why,, the brackground noise,, that is being heard,, while I have no idea,, and i am not there,, would say,, there would be a static to the noise as well.
Because,, the gravitational wave,, of the universe,, should as it stretches,, expands,, grows thicker as the walls expand out continually,, show by that growth,, where object move away and seperate due to the vastness.
Also lets you know,, the upon reaching infiniti, where the universe would no longer expand,, or build up the thickness of the gravitational wave,, that the time to really worry,, would be when you no longer see the other objects move away from us.. But rather start to enclose on us.
Gravity,, as a wise man once told me,, "Is truly , all you need." It explains itself.
*I remember hearing a professor once say, "Everything exciting in the Universe, happened within the first 30 seconds of it's existance*
From where I am standing and seeing galaxy upon galaxy overlaying,, And every cosmic event from the formations of solar systems, to galaxies,, to the intricate web of the Super Structures. To me,, seeing it as I do,, this is the most exciting time.
Now I will have to start on a gravitational wave generator, after all we live in the river of Universal gravity, and the most effective way to move through gravity,, is with gravity,,a protective field. Gravity on gravity, now what kind of speed could be produced since gravity, is actually a constant. Perhaps warp drive engines,, would now be more effective,, with gravity drive engines.
Just a after thought.
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You put a lot into your statements it's hard cover all of them. I agree with a lot of them I definitely agree gravity is a constant and that gravity is the way the travel faster than the speed of light. Beginning the universe was an extremely interesting about inflation occurred right after gravity separated out of the electromagnetic spectrum in a travel faster than the speed of light. This is proof that fits faster than light travel is possible. There are several interesting experiments for dealing with gravity. I don't have his name and from me to spell it correctly. But there was a Russian scientists who well did a very interesting experiment in which he took a superconductor, and spun it. The weight held above the superconductor weighed less. I find this to be a very interesting experiment. On the subject of gravity waves have to stand an argument gravitons yes there is proof of them gravity waves, if there was this many gravity waves like your suggestion they should be detectable no detection since the 50s. I think this is barking up the wrong tree. The graviton travels with the photon, which is why light bends going around a gravity field. no coverture of space required.
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Just because it's the most difficult thing to do,, doesn't mean, it's not a fact. Without Universal gravity, there is no way, that objects, are moving five times away from us, with control, not a free for all. That can only be done in the presence of a constant force.
If Physicist and Scientist, have to add a (missing factor) in order to sustain their computer generate models,, of our very own home supporting itself, my question would be (Why?) If the very place we live in, which is being constantly being immersed in a universal gravitational wave.
Every possibility of being able to move from galaxy to galaxy, would be a impossibility, and I cannot accept that. It's there, and they expand. There is only one thing, that would allow that, plain and simple.
And they have already measured it,, detected it,, they call it dark matter, they just called it the wrong name, on what truly support galaxies. And in order for every solar system,, every star to bind into a galaxy, there has to be,, a constant, gravity, not the dark matter.
Again,, 2 times away, moves twice as fast,, if its 5 times it moves five times as fast, and done with control instead of slinging them around like they were mini bombs,, going boom.
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Alan, what would it be like,, if the photon's were actually traveling through what we know by Einstein, as spacetime, but it being, the Universal gravity wave, that holds the Universe and Galactic Super structures together, which is what it does.
But also,, Einstein's General Relativity, (I believe you have had a minor problem with it). From what I see,, and stated ,, was actually incomplete, Due to one thing,, his placement has us,, (on) spacetime,, instead of immersed in it. This could be the missing key,, that would explain it. I finished my summation, for the development of rolling evolution, in regards to gravity.
I am going to start playing with Spacetime, and the relationship of gravity. They key is somewhere in there, it has to be. It's the only place it could be. But, three things started the universe.
Energy, Heat, Gravity.
Photon's are Energy, they come from a Heat source, so the answer is in the Gravity.
The pic I see from the Universe,, for some reason I see gravitational currents.
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1057.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Ft386%2FMartialarts67%2Fspace%2Ftest13_zps5b4a6b75.jpg&hash=d766b8ef413652b6d355d6a275579492)
Since the Universe has a constant gravitational wave,, and we are immersed inside of it, (spacetime/gravitationalwave) yes, since the Universe is constantly moving,, your right Alan, on one thing,, light does bend around gravitational fields. And then it just hit me,, just like water, path of least resistance. This would actually support the fact, that there is a Universal gravity wave. And there is beyond the shadow of a doubt, a gravitational current of every moving object that (displaces not distort) space time, as it flows around it.
And this would be part of your answer, as to why a graviton (constant) would also have an affect on photon and light travel. (makes a note to track down universal current).
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This may be a case of we are saying, the same thing, only differently. I do not agree with dimples in space as to why light bends which uses the claim of gravity waves, so every time I see gravity waves I rebel. The photon travels with the graviton which is why light bends. I do believe that gravity is capable of traveling faster than light when it is separate from light, but when it travels with late it's locked down to lightspeed.
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Not once have I ever heard of,, seen,, or held a piece of material that have had the (ripple) of a gravitational wave.
An observation of Quantum Mechanic's and Quantum gravity, with 600 billion different examples, and not once, since the beginning of recorded stellar observation, has anyone ever seen a rippled planet. While I contend Einstein to be years, ahead of his time, and with the assistance of Hubble, would have opened countless doors to our understanding. The only thing I can say, is Albert was kind of off on this one, but then again, he had no other objects to observe.
Even on our earth,, examples , 50 year old vehicles,, 100 year old vehicles, having absolutely, no gravitational wear. Vs. Signs that hang, once suspended,, they will drape , but only with the arc of the planet, even belt buckles, taken from graves,, years ago, show curvature, but no ripple.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Einstein (theorized)
___________________ DanieB (knows)
Represented more to this ( ) with no indicative ripple as that would be slack of gravity, And gravity does stretch along with a proportionate, mass, (500 miles in width, gravity starts curving it, not rippling it.)
May have to draw a paper up explaining that. A quantum observation verifies it .
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At this point I will stop writing on this thread. (All the pieces finally fell together in my mind).
Oh,, one fun thing left to do.
Stand still,, look directly in front of you. Turn to your right side, pivoting only on your feet, don't step,, just turn to your right side. Now,, after you have done that.. Do the same thing to your left side,, pivot and turn.
(Yes you see it's easier and more natural to turn to your left).
You spend your entire life in a gravitational field. Constantly rotating to your left, this affects your brain, :)
It's why 75% of your turns are to your left,, Even from a standing position,, when a person paces,, they pace to their left side for their turns. This would mean, that gravitational waves, constantly bombarding your brain housing group, has a effect on your mind's thinking,, and Since this happens. Would statistically, mean that since you spend a higher percentage of your time, going left, it would result in basically,, a counter balance, Therefore,, you become right handed. It's only that left handed individuals,, normally are a result of genetics. Family lines,, therefore,, genetic's over coming a gravitational environment. Normally.
This is just for some you, who study behavioral science. And while it does tie into quantum gravity, I wanted to give your own brain a nudge in the direction of human behavior and gravities affect on gray matter. <-- quantum joke of matter. LOL I know I crack myself up.
Yes,, I had to put that out there for you to ponder on ,, and see it.
Anyway,, now that I have all the pieces to finally fit in my mind,, I see how gravity exceeds the speed of light,, as well as how to actually, verify, that matter exceeds the speed of light also. And that opens 20 other doors. (Hawking Radiation is incomplete, so I am going to finish it up) :)
Alan, I enjoyed the discussions with you. I will get up with you later, you can get email me directly, if you need anything.
DanielB
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In Einstein's defense. He took the observable universe and made math formulas for it. That work. Sometimes 2 different reasons can fit the same fact, and I think this is one of those times I have enjoyed the conversation. I'm sure we'll talk again have a good one.
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Tell you what Alan, I can give you a hint ,, I believe you will like.
Hawking Radiation, no longer theorized. But able to be proven.
It would be a two fold action. Compression Fusion that turns into Compression Fission,, The free protons and neutrons, breaking down into the alpha and beta particles, they would deterate rapidly. And would close the door,, with the gamma rays,, that would be generated.
They have already done a gamma ray analaysis, and that was the only energy they were able to see so far.
They measured the surface speed of a black hole,, and that shows a few things.
1. Surface speed,, 345,000,000 mph,, half the speed of light.
Every object that is spherical in our universe, are layered into cores,,with the inner core being of molten ,(iron) as in the earths. But they are layerd.
If the inner core,, of the black hole, roates,, just twice as fast,, in hyper gravity,, you have matter moving at the speed of light,, held by the boundries of gravity.
Question rises. at 3/4 the speed of light,, whiich even if the core,, only rotated,, just a bit faster than it does now. (Time dialation ) Hawking radiation would have to take that into account know,, as time dialation,, would be present.
Matter now at the speed of light,, the energy transer of heat, through kinetic energy to the matters core. With matter at such a intense heat,, and moving at those kind of speeds, wow. But then again,, gravity,, is all you need. Or in this case Hyper Gravity.
Singularity, matter transfering to energy under the force of Hyper gravity.
Boost the heat factor,, And matter, molten into liquid,, where fusion and fission are taking place. As the compressoin waves,, fuse atoms together,, pressing them down,, where the fission is taking place. (recycling our universe).
A black hole would since its gravity,, and matter,,a structural layer
Outter crust, compressoin zone, convection zone, radiation zone.
Does kind of explain,, since black holes emit gamma rays,, that when new matter is being brought into it,, that it would build up energy,, and release it that fast, as the alpha and beta particles came out,, and then,, the gamma rays.. And burst,, in both directions out of it's north and south poles,, because on a black hole,,it's still it's weakest point of gravity. And this may explain why they see the gamma ray burst daily,, with our scopes. After all,, every black hole that builds up the energy. Would be released.
Anyway,, I will get to writing this up.
(side note Alan,, if your trying to prove that a gravitron and a photon travel together. )
Would the idea be,,instead of trying to get a weight measurement. see if in the presence of a (magnetic enduced gravitational field.) In the absence of light,, would a photon appear?
I have a idea on star formation,, so I wont be far. Alan,,I really have enjoyed the discussion.
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Yeah Hawkins is a pretty smart dude, isn't he? It's hard to get a weighted analysis of the photon or graviton due to the fact that they are both massless. You need to go by observable facts and behaviors. I have found that gravitons and photons act funny around a superconductor in a magnetic field. Seems like the graviton separates out.
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Alan, email (never mind I sent you a message in the forum), didnt know I could do that.
I will email you the peice your missing, in regards to the gravitrons.
If your wanting to know whats taking place between the gravitrons and photons.
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How do you get a hold of Stephen Hawkings to request his permission to use his paper for reference, for Hawking Radiation?
It took a little bit,, but I finally have Einsteins General Relativity worked out, but it also goes hand in hand with Hawking Radiation. (sub level part 4)
Anyone got any clue how?
DanielB