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Title: Does gravity alter time in the heart of a star?
Post by: thedoc on 16/07/2012 22:30:02
Alex Williams  asked the Naked Scientists:
   
Dear Chris:

I have read that the greater the gravitational field, the more time slows relative to an outside observer who is at some distance and who is therefore subject to weaker gravity. Is the gravity at the center of the sun or any other star great enough to affect the rate of fuel consumption relative to observers on a planet such as Earth? In other words, if gravity had no effect on time, would a star use up its fuel at a faster rate than is currently observed? And if gravity in a star is great enough to have such an effect on time, how significant is it?

Thank you for considering my question.

Alex Williams

What do you think?
Title: Re: Does gravity alter time in the heart of a star?
Post by: Soul Surfer on 17/07/2012 00:00:28
Again I have to stress is that time dilation of this nature is only a property associated with a remote observer for the centre of the star itself time flows perfectly normally. For the small gravitational fields of stars any time dilation is also negligible  and only becomes significant when the gravitational field is very close to being that of a black hole.  Also gravitational effects are mostly seen a a red shift in the radiation escaping from the field.
Title: Re: Does gravity alter time in the heart of a star?
Post by: yor_on on 18/07/2012 02:02:36
So true :)

A time dilation is what you measure using your own wristwatch as a definer of 'time'. And we have them on Earth too, gravitationally. But we don't notice them, as finding it troublesome to function due to such.
Title: Re: Does gravity alter time in the heart of a star?
Post by: CliffordK on 18/07/2012 03:17:03
Keep in mind that while pressure increases as one moves towards the center of a body, gravity does not.

In the center of a star, pressure would be tremendous.  But gravity would be net ZERO.
Title: Re: Does gravity alter time in the heart of a star?
Post by: imatfaal on 18/07/2012 17:15:14
Keep in mind that while pressure increases as one moves towards the center of a body, gravity does not.

In the center of a star, pressure would be tremendous.  But gravity would be net ZERO.

Also keep in mind that time dilation depends on gravitational potential rather than gravity. 
Title: Re: Does gravity alter time in the heart of a star?
Post by: evan_au on 20/07/2012 13:46:11
Yes, time does go more slowly in a strong gravitational field, but the effect only becomes significant in a really intense gravitational field, like near a black hole. So it wouldn't measurably affect the lifetime of the Sun.

For an example closer to home, the GPS navigation satellites have to take this effect into account - since time goes more rapidly when they are at their operational altitude of 20200km/12600 miles: by 45 microseconds per day.

For this and some other relativity effects on GPS, see: http://www.astronomy.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html