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So, materialism can be naturalistic , but the converse is not necessarily true .
Quote from: dlorde on 11/11/2014 00:32:52Quote from: alancalverd on 11/11/2014 00:04:08... Every advance in science has been astonishing, because it replaced some mysterious immaterial cause* with a simple material explanation. A very good point. In fact, you could probably make a passable definition of 'understanding' around that point [8D]I agree as well dlorde that alan has described perfectly the aim of the honest scientist. If Don has his way, we will all be expected to use simple material observations to give credibility to a mysterious immaterial cause. I think alan has made an excellent material observation that should convince every honest scientist that the mysterious immaterial only has it's proper place in science fiction. But alas, not everyone here is interested in honest science.
Quote from: alancalverd on 11/11/2014 00:04:08... Every advance in science has been astonishing, because it replaced some mysterious immaterial cause* with a simple material explanation. A very good point. In fact, you could probably make a passable definition of 'understanding' around that point [8D]
... Every advance in science has been astonishing, because it replaced some mysterious immaterial cause* with a simple material explanation.
author=alancalverd link=topic=52526.msg444085#msg444085 date=1415664248]Quote from: DonQuichotte on 10/11/2014 19:27:13Quote from: alancalverd on 10/11/2014 01:14:32Quote from: DonQuichotte on 09/11/2014 21:00:56All of physics is based on quantum theory. No. All physics is based on observation. Quantum mechanics is one (very successful) way of explaining what we see and predicting what we will see next.No, modern physics is quantum physics .Some of "modern" physics is quantum physics, but that's far from "all of physics". The common factor in all that we do in physics, whether quantum or continuum, solid state or relativistic, is observation of the material universe.
Quote from: alancalverd on 10/11/2014 01:14:32Quote from: DonQuichotte on 09/11/2014 21:00:56All of physics is based on quantum theory. No. All physics is based on observation. Quantum mechanics is one (very successful) way of explaining what we see and predicting what we will see next.No, modern physics is quantum physics .
Quote from: DonQuichotte on 09/11/2014 21:00:56All of physics is based on quantum theory. No. All physics is based on observation. Quantum mechanics is one (very successful) way of explaining what we see and predicting what we will see next.
All of physics is based on quantum theory.
QuoteAlbert Einstein: “I cannot seriously believe in [quantum theory] because. . . physics should represent a reality in time and space, free from spooky actions at a distance.” Yes, even Einstein had problems getting his head round it, but you can't dispute the material facts of photoelectricity, black body radiation, line spectra, etc.
Albert Einstein: “I cannot seriously believe in [quantum theory] because. . . physics should represent a reality in time and space, free from spooky actions at a distance.”
QuoteJohn Bell: “It is likely that the new way of seeing things will astonish us.”takes the biscuit for a content-free statement of the obvious. Every advance in science has been astonishing, because it replaced some mysterious immaterial cause* with a simple material explanation. There is no reason why the next big thing should be any less astonishing that the last.
John Bell: “It is likely that the new way of seeing things will astonish us.”
*typhoid, oxygen, newtonian mechanics, quantum mechanics, the Hall effect, evolution, thermodynamics.....
Sean Carrolls comments on biocentrism:...These “theories” are hard to attack because there’s no there there, all you have are some fuzzy words and fast talk.
Robert Lanza, MD - BIOCENTRISM :Source : http://www.robertlanzabiocentrism.com/Biocentrism (cosmology) :Lanza’s theory of Biocentrism has seven principles: 1. What we perceive as reality is a process that involves our consciousness. An “external” reality, if it existed, would by definition have to exist in space. But this is meaningless, because space and time are not absolute realities but rather tools of the human and animal mind. 2- Our external and internal perceptions are inextricably intertwined. They are different sides of the same coin and cannot be divorced from one another. 3- The behavior of subatomic particles, indeed all particles and objects, is inextricably linked to the presence of an observer. Without the presence of a conscious observer, they at best exist in an undetermined state of probability waves. 4-Without consciousness, “matter” dwells in an undetermined state of probability. Any universe that could have preceded consciousness only existed in a probability state. 5-The structure of the universe is explainable only through biocentrism. The universe is fine-tuned for life, which makes perfect sense as life creates the universe, not the other way around. The “universe” is simply the complete spatio-temporal logic of the self. 6- Time does not have a real existence outside of animal-sense perception. It is the process by which we perceive changes in the universe. 7- Space, like time, is not an object or a thing. Space is another form of our animal understanding and does not have an independent reality. We carry space and time around with us like turtles with shells. Thus, there is no absolute self-existing matrix in which physical events occur independent of life.
Physicist Proposes New Theory of Gravity—Gravity Does Not Exist :http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/20006-physicist-proposes-new-theory-of-gravity-gravity-does-not-exist/
Why a Physics Revolution Might Be on Its Way : http://www.livescience.com/48685-physics-field-revolution.html
What has Chopra to do with Lanza's theory anyway ? Nothing : he just commented on it .Lanza is a prominent biologist and astronomer with impeccable credentials , not some sort of a new age lunatic or something like that :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_LanzaChopra is not my cup of tea either , needless to add .
I expect you to comment on Lanza's theory yourself ,on "Quantum Enigma " ...., via your own words , not just make an appeal to authority....
Biocentrism (from Greek: βίος, bios, “life”; and κέντρον, kentron, “center”) — also known as the biocentric universe — is a theory proposed in 2007 by American scientist Robert Lanza. In this view, life and biology are central to being, reality, and the cosmos — life creates the universe rather than the other way around. Biocentrism asserts that current theories of the physical world do not work, and can never be made to work, until they fully account for life and consciousness.