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On the Lighter Side => That CAN'T be true! => Topic started by: Exodus on 29/03/2003 15:29:00
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Ok, this is rather morbid but i was thinking...
you see on telly when people have been murdered their assailant buries them in woodland etc... i know this is a great place for bacteria etc, but surely there are much better places to leave a body so it decomposes quicker and thus gives you more chance of getting away with it.
I was thinking that old copper mines would be a prime location as there is associations with chalcopyrite which is an iron sulphide. The sulphides form acids in the lakes that form a the base of the old pits. One such pit in Cyprus i have visited had a pH of less than 1! surely if you dumped the body with a weight in there it would be broken down in no time? even animal bones around the edge of the lake had become powdery soft!
[xx(]
Thats Economics...
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Great suggestion, but doesn't your choice of murder locations become kind of restricted to where there is a copper mine within a few miles !
Anyway, excuse me a minute, I think my mother in law might be calling me....!!!
Pat
Pat
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Richard - there is a special Yes Concert being laid on at Hyde Park in July this year. Advance preference tickets go on sale Monday (31/3/3). Do you want to go ? My treat.
Chris
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Hey, thanks for the idea. I do some freelance writing, maybe it's time to work on a murder mystery.
Donnah
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Donnah - do we get a cut of the profits for providing the inspiration ? Or how about publishing it online on naked scientists !
You could call it "The appliance of science"
Chris
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Being a geologist i know of numeros mines in the UK with such favourable conditions... [xx(]
I was thinking though, would teeth be better able to cope with the acid, are they not made from calcium flourite which is one of the most resistant materials? They could trace the person on their dental records....
Here's the scene though for a book, you could make it a holiday murder... throw in some and horrid sexual twists... perhaps the murderer gets off on torturing the person. How about he/she cuts crucial arteries then while their still alive lowers them into the mine water just to hear their screams! hahahaha i sound pretty evil!
Also, i'm sure if you attached a big enough piece of concret to someones feet and dumped them at sea they'd disappear... I guess you need to put a fairly heavy bit of rock on cos don't bodies swell with gas?
Thats Economics...
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The point about teeth is probably not a concern because any dentist will atest to the impact of a well known brand of cola on teeth.
Also, regarding your point about sending someone to the seaside in 'concrete wellingtons', according to forensic archaeologist Corinne Duhig, whom we interviewed on Naked Scientists last April - http://www.thenakedscientists.com/html/shows/2002.04.07.htm - the body falls apart under water and then bits start washing up in a rather gruesome fashion on nearby beaches or make interesting 'catches' for fishermen. Apparently the key with this otherwise excellent form of murder (because sea creatures eat the evidence) is to enclose the body in a non-degradable net with a sufficiently fine net to prevent any identifiable parts slipping out. Then leave it to the crabs, prawns, fish...
Lastly, your point about teeth not being eroded by acid in your 'mine murder' reminds me of a case where a multiple murderer was 'dissolving' his victims in an industrial acid bath. The 'residue' he then threw onto his garden at home. He was trapped, however, when police found a gallstone amongst the roses. Being almost pure cholesterol the gall stone had escape the effect of the acid and survived intact.
Things that make you go mmmm...!
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any idea about the date of the concert?
Thats Economics...
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17th July (Thursday) in Hyde Park. We tried to contact you but no one answered the phone (we rang for ages). We've now bought tickets (and got front-row seats - seriously !) but they are still on restricted issue until the first week in April - see http://www.yesworld.com for details - click on tour / hyde park.
TNS
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Well what if the murderer was a denturist who selected victims that had complete dentures? It would make your "Appliance of Science" title even more fitting (pardon the pun). As for your cut, it would be roughly the same as what I get for posting my ideas here. I would mention you two in the intro though. Publishing it online on Naked Scientists? mmmm...!
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Seriously - publishing online is definitely the way to go because it is instantly more accessible to everyone, everywhere, and the start-up and distribution costs are tiny compared with printing to paper. The audience grows as the product attracts attention, and is easy to monitor so that you can track how your product influences the market, it serves as powerful online self-promotion, helping you to be taken seriously by publishers who would otherwise not give you the time of day - you can hit them with objective data demonstrating that your product has a niche and is popular. This reduces the gamble they take in investing in you and hence they are more likely to take you on.
You have a science background Donnah - why not write for naked scientists ?
TNS
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Your vrey connvincing, u sur u wnt mi to right an artcl?
Got any suggestions for a topic?
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Why that's supposed to be your choice !
TNS
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speaking of disposing of a corpse, did anyone hear about that guy in the US who put the corpse of his wife through an industrial shredder over a bridge? It was almost the perfect crime but a witness came forward to say they had seen a man acting suspicious with a shredder. Closer examination of the area turned up a few articles of jewellery which were later identified as hers. He then owned up to his crime. [xx(]
Essentia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem...
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I remember hearing about that. Didn't they find bits of human bone along the shore? Can you imagine actually putting someone through a shredder? UGHH!!!
Exodus, what does the Latin mean?
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? not ? multiplied beyond need.
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The latin is actually one of the major principles of western science although in my opinion it relates to eveything i do so its my favourite quote.
Its Occam's Rule. "hypotheses should not be multiplied unnecessarily"
Essentia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem...
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i understand the best way to get rid of a body is to first stab the stomach releasing much of the gasses then wrap it in chicken wire along with some large stones and drop it in the sea the chicken wire alows the little beasties to start recycling the body but stops parts floating off and surfacing also by dropping in the sea rather than inland the tides will make the search for the body more difficult if anyone sees you
Interesting, no the other thing... tedious.
The philosopher Bender
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When I took analytic chemistry, my instructor had a bottle of what he called "Jack's Magic Solution" which we used for cleaning the deposited crap out of glass vacuum filters. I believe it was a mixture of sulfuric acid, nitric acid, and potassium permanganate. (I don't know in what molar ratios, sorry murderers) He implied that if one were to dump a body into a plastic barrel and fill it with the stuff, the entire corpse would be able to wash down the gutter in liquid form.
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Round here we stand them up in bus stops.
Nah pop no style, a strictly roots!
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....and we stick them in the recycle bin....takes a bit of manipulation (epecially if rigor has set in !!)....but it works.
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Yet to invert the Paddington syndrome, where people disappear completely in major incidents because it's the perfect way of breaking with one's past, there's also the occasional incident of "One Corpse Too Many": the finest way of hiding a body is amongst other bodies...
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Originally posted by Ylide
When I took analytic chemistry, my instructor had a bottle of what he called "Jack's Magic Solution" which we used for cleaning the deposited crap out of glass vacuum filters. I believe it was a mixture of sulfuric acid, nitric acid, and potassium permanganate. (I don't know in what molar ratios, sorry murderers) He implied that if one were to dump a body into a plastic barrel and fill it with the stuff, the entire corpse would be able to wash down the gutter in liquid form.
I asked forensic archaeologist Corinne Duhig (http://www.thenakedscientists.com/html/shows/2002.04.07.htm) this. She said that gallstones are a big give away and have helped to incriminate people who have done just this because being predominantly fat (cholesterol and phospholipid) they don't react terribly well with the acids. In the case she mentioned theyy were the only residue of the deceased and turned up in the garden where the acid bath had been emptied...
Chris
"I never forget a face, but in your case I'll make an exception"
- Groucho Marx
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Originally posted by chris
I asked forensic archaeologist Corinne Duhig (http://www.thenakedscientists.com/html/shows/2002.04.07.htm) this. She said that gallstones are a big give away and have helped to incriminate people who have done just this because being predominantly fat (cholesterol and phospholipid) they don't react terribly well with the acids. In the case she mentioned theyy were the only residue of the deceased and turned up in the garden where the acid bath had been emptied...
Chris
"I never forget a face, but in your case I'll make an exception"
- Groucho Marx
Guess you should follow up with some benzene or other strong nonpolar solvent. ;)
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The best place to hide a body is in the belly of a shark.
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I heard that a strong Alkali solution breaks down a human body much quicker than acids. It can also dispose of those little annoyences such as teeth and bones. Im not such how it would do against the Gall Stones though.
"There is no gravity, the earth just sucks"
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why dont you just blow it up into little pieces or something or take a boat out into the ocean and put a weight on it and let it sink to the ocean bed.
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..wait until the corpse has gone all stiff, stand upright in a corner...... makes a good hat stand/coat holder.........
If you're handy with electronics...stick a bulb in mouth to make a pleasant lamp....at Christmas you can avail the corpse of it's other orifices to make a pleasing Christmas Tree.
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Whatw was it snacking on I_Kryptonite ? a big mouse or a really small horse ?....presumably a small deer or a roo ?
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I think it is a kangaroo
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Yeah I'd say a wallaby by the feet, too small for a roo but guess it could have been a baby roo.
Tim
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ye its deffinetly a Kangaroo of some sort.... a small one though. Just out of curiosity..... how but to Kangaroos grow?
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Cudos to you, Old Man. It is indeed an ex-wallaby [:)]
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Maybe pay the guy down the local crematorium a few bux to turn a blind eye?
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Ha yeah I think that is the best idea yet. What about fly over the oceon and drop the body off with a lead weight on it!
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ive used thermit to vapourise carbon steel for some fun, and i think it would take care of a nasty lookin corpe. no problems!
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originally posted by Exodus#
How to get rid of a corpse
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I asked my wife that question
Her answer was. Divorce me
I should of known better. she loves me really
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ROFLMAO!!!!!
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Ok here is how I would get rid of a corpse. You have to make holes in it to allow the gas to escape otherwise the earth you are going to bury it under would rise up kind of like a mole hill so make plenty of deep penetrating stab wounds to the body.
The problem with burying a body is that the earth is disturbed and the Police simply need to look for signs of the earth having been disturbed.
Well how about burying the body somewhere that this will be camoflauged? Perhaps where the earth has already been disturbed due to things already being buried and as such it wouldn't look out of place?
CEMETERY - bury the body in a cemetery.
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chop it up into tiny little pieces and then bury each piece all over the world
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.....how about put a sticker on it that says ' return to sender ' and stick it in your nearest letterbox ! (please feel free to add any address that it should be sent to !)
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its not too uncommon to find rogue corpses in with another body at grave plots.
if youre going to bury it somewhere else, vacuum wrap the body tightly in strong plastic and then dip it in molten stainless steel and let it dry evenly. lets see "gasses" try to get out of that.
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step 1 : become the owner of local museum.
step 2 : look up some some old/boring (the boring part is very important) cultures embarming process.
step 3 : lable and store, and keep the next few slots open for people who ask difficult questions
sir loony
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has any1 seen the film "wolf creek" at the cinima.
if u wana know how to kill some1 and get away with it, take notes ^^
sir loony
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bury it in area 51
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Eat it !
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Michael...perhaps a bit of cheek ?...hmmmm !!!
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A bit risky that one, Do you think i should delete the smurf ?
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Sell it as meat to the Kebab Shops, they don't ask too many questions, and people eating kebabs are usually too pissed to notice the odd finger nail
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You could always bury it in a cemetary !
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I heard the best way to get rid of a body is to feed them to pigs they eat everthing apart from the teeth and hair but you can pull and shave that off .
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I much prefer a bit of
A bit risky that one, Do you think i should delete the smurf ?
Uh oh.. Someone's been up to something [::)]
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I heard the best way to get rid of a body is to feed them to pigs they eat everthing apart from the teeth and hair but you can pull and shave that off .
THis really is the best way - the teeth and hair get eaten as well from what I understand.
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A news reader corpsed on Radio 4 last week. She couldn't stop giggling at this recoerding that was supposed to be the first of a human voice but sounded like birds fighting. In this situation I find thinking of having your nose hairs pulled out with tweezers stops the corpsing.
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stick the body under enormous heat and pressure, and come back in a million years.
free petrolium!
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THis really is the best way - the teeth and hair get eaten as well from what I understand.
pigs will eat it but it will just come out how it went in. but if you find it fun sieveing through pig sh1t then you can just leave the hair and teeth in.
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Thermite has to be the way to go, come on, they destroyed a terminator robot with it (in the new Terminator series, how sad am i??), bit of organic mush would be easy peasy!!
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There was a vertical lime kiln at the factory where I used to work and on a bad day I could fantasise about putting my boss in the charger bucket at the bottom and watch the little tyke go right to the top and be tipped in. Height 100ft, temp 1400C, charged with limestone and coke and the powdered product was slaked in water.
The perfect answer - I don't believe the police would be so thorough that it would be discovered.
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Knock them out in a secure location at night, hard enough for either paralyzes or brain damage, without a drop of blood.
Make sure a vehicle is close at hand. No car theft, just a car of yours.
Put them under the back seats, covered with a blanket, and other boxes with junk of your choice. Heavy objects.
Go to your home, or location of choice with a shower.
Hang them upside down in the shower, nude. Burn all the clothes in the fireplace. If there is no fireplace, purchase a fire pit ahead of time, and use the clothes as kindle. Make sure all traces of it have been reduced to ash.
Get in the shower with the person, and remove your clothes as well. Pull the curtains to cover in case of any spray of blood. Cut the throat of the person, and allow the person to drain. wait until all blood has washed off of you and the corpse.
Take the corpse to a long table, usually used for animal skinning and gutting. Remove the limbs first, and organs. Have very large containers with monoxide at hand. Place the organs and limbs into these jars for at least a month. Eventually they will be reduced to white bone, and eventually they will simply "fizz" away. Keep a separate jar for the head. Make sure to have pounded to head a bit first with a sludge hammer of some kind. Let it "fizz" away as well.
With the remaining torso bit, remove the bones and place them into the jars as well, after hacking them down a bit.
You can eat the rest. If cooked right, it can feel more like a treat, rather a duty.
That's that.
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Just use pigs starve them for about 2 weeks and they will go through bones like butter you need about 3 pigs to do the whole job in about 25 mins and they leave no trace of body i know through experiance hope this helps.
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I see this thread has been resurrected.
Oooo that's better, I haven't had pun for ages!
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Just use pigs starve them for about 2 weeks and they will go through bones like butter you need about 3 pigs to do the whole job in about 25 mins and they leave to trace of body i know through experiance hope this helps.
That is a bit unnerving!!!????
May I ask How one has experience in starving three pigs, and feeding them a corpse..etc etc etc....?
How does and where would something like this ever take place?
THOSE are REALLY DISTURBING THOUGHTS AND ACTIONS there.....let alone EXPERIENCE???
Talk about Shock factor!
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Knock them out in a secure location at night, hard enough for either paralyzes or brain damage, without a drop of blood.
Make sure a vehicle is close at hand. No car theft, just a car of yours.
Put them under the back seats, covered with a blanket, and other boxes with junk of your choice. Heavy objects.
Go to your home, or location of choice with a shower.
Hang them upside down in the shower, nude. Burn all the clothes in the fireplace. If there is no fireplace, purchase a fire pit ahead of time, and use the clothes as kindle. Make sure all traces of it have been reduced to ash.
Get in the shower with the person, and remove your clothes as well. Pull the curtains to cover in case of any spray of blood. Cut the throat of the person, and allow the person to drain. wait until all blood has washed off of you and the corpse.
Take the corpse to a long table, usually used for animal skinning and gutting. Remove the limbs first, and organs. Have very large containers with monoxide at hand. Place the organs and limbs into these jars for at least a month. Eventually they will be reduced to white bone, and eventually they will simply "fizz" away. Keep a separate jar for the head. Make sure to have pounded to head a bit first with a sludge hammer of some kind. Let it "fizz" away as well.
With the remaining torso bit, remove the bones and place them into the jars as well, after hacking them down a bit.
You can eat the rest. If cooked right, it can feel more like a treat, rather a duty.
That's that.
YUUUUUUUUCCCCK!!!!!!!
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I am afraid to ask about the relish and think I should pass on the link eh??
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sh1t.
what's wrong this picture?
Everything.
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to Karen W.
my info is personal but affective its a job offer that i cant refuse.
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Knock them out in a secure location at night, hard enough for either paralyzes or brain damage, without a drop of blood.
Make sure a vehicle is close at hand. No car theft, just a car of yours.
Put them under the back seats, covered with a blanket, and other boxes with junk of your choice. Heavy objects.
Go to your home, or location of choice with a shower.
Hang them upside down in the shower, nude. Burn all the clothes in the fireplace. If there is no fireplace, purchase a fire pit ahead of time, and use the clothes as kindle. Make sure all traces of it have been reduced to ash.
Get in the shower with the person, and remove your clothes as well. Pull the curtains to cover in case of any spray of blood. Cut the throat of the person, and allow the person to drain. wait until all blood has washed off of you and the corpse.
Take the corpse to a ***long table, usually used for animal skinning and gutting***. Remove the limbs first, and organs. Have very large containers with monoxide at hand. Place the organs and limbs into these jars for at least a month. Eventually they will be reduced to white bone, and eventually they will simply "fizz" away. Keep a separate jar for the head. Make sure to have pounded to head a bit first with a ***sludge hammer*** of some kind. Let it "fizz" away as well.
With the remaining torso bit, remove the bones and place them into the jars as well, after hacking them down a bit.
You can eat the rest. If cooked right, it can feel more like a treat, rather a duty.
That's that.
Every home should have one!
I have been to B & Q, but cannot find a sludge hammer. Apparently there is very little call for a hammer to pulverise boggy ground!
FOG
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Shave all the hair off cut the fingers off pull all the teeth out for identi, and feed to the pigs will eat the lot bones but not the hair the fingers feed to seaguls if not eaten will
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or acid bath put all the bones it a cement mixer with a few bricks 2-4 hours nothing but dust,....
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Thermite has to be the way to go, come on, they destroyed a terminator robot with it (in the new Terminator series, how sad am i??), bit of organic mush would be easy peasy!!
I was thinking about that...
And it should be pretty easy to make your own Thermite, although it may take some planning to make a few gallons of it.
The fireworks might alert your neighbors though.
The risk is if you make a miscalculation... then you have a half-cremated body to deal with.
I will tell you that we tried to dispose of a dead deer a few years ago by building a fire over the top of it. We got some well cooked rotten deer steaks... but the burning wasn't particularly effective without getting the fire all the way under the body. Keep in mind you are trying to incinerate "bags of mostly water".