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General Science => General Science => Topic started by: esecallum on 15/12/2005 22:38:25
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As many people will have seen by the vast explosion of MRSA forumson the internet MRSA is a very serious plague rampant in hospitals and more than 30000 are dying as a direct and CONTRIBUTERY cause of their death.
The nurses who are supposed to be looking afer the patients have stopped doing so as evidenced by reports from the relatives and victims of mrsa.
Nurses attentions seem to be focused on "last night" every time you hear them conversing.
Todays so called nurses in the NHS are very sloppy and seem to be mentally else where when come to work.
They simply dont care about their patients.This is why mrsa is rampant through all the hospitals.This dereliction of duty has been promoted by text and mobile phones and fostered a culture of "I could not care less attitude".
They seem very busy gossiping about "last night' meaning who shagged who and how much binge drinking they did and who they vomited over.
They sit in their cubicles reading magazines and papers and manicuring their nails whinging about their latest moronic boyfriend who beats them up after coming home from the pub.
These nurses are paid £33000 annuelly for doing very little work.They are always whining about their 'low pay'.
They should be charged with murder or at the very least manslaughter every time a patient dies in their "care".
That should help them focus their minds on the job instead of their sordid sexploits.
Its possible some mrsa may be caused by their promiscous behaviour spreading it in the hospital also.
Its time you people took these 'nurses' to task for not caring for their patients.
You should shout at them and demand that they do their job for which they are paid a king's ransom and which mostly goes on binge drinking and 'nights out'.
You should demand decisive action and minute by minute accountability of how they spent their day every day.Remember it could be you.
YOU at their mercy next time.
Thats right You will very probably get mrsa next time YOU go into hospital and the drugs have nearly stopped working.Even Vanco.....
You will suffer a horrible death if you dont act now!!!
Be very scared when you go into hospital.
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... and your sources for these assertions would be?
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I feel the problem may not so much be down to the nurses but rather the control methods put in place by the hospitals.
Michael (https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi11.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa186%2Fukmicky%2Fwallbash.gif&hash=7fbfae96ee4eb666ba3ec22832e5a81f)
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I think you will find that it is not the nurses that are soley to blame, more the duty of keeping the wards clean has been handed over to private contractors, instead of the strict matron controlled wards that we used to enjoy.
However, having said this, I have had personal experience from the lack of caring nurses and doctors when my father was dying in Russles Hall Hospital with cancer. The foloors were filthy, patients walking around with feet blacker than the tarmac roads, urine stains from a previous patient under my fathers bed for 5 days, until I asked for a mop and bucket to clean it up. And one doctor, whom I could easily have killed with my bare hands when he blurted out in front of a ward full of terminally ill patients "YOU DO KNOW YOUR FATHER IS DYING OF CANCER DON'T YOU" Just the thing one wants to hear shouted across death ward. That was the first time I can remember seeing my Father cry. Ironically, as an acomplished poet he had written a beautiful poem praising nurses for their care and it was pinned above his bed and copies circulated around the hospital. Conclusion. The majority of staff at Russles Hall Hospital appear to have lost their way.
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You seem to be suggesting that some nurses appear to have attributes frequently associated with human beings. I belive surveys have shown that most human bewings prefer to be nursed by their own kind. If you object to this I suggest that you find and go to another planet more suited to your tastes.
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Having recently been in hospital myself (Heath Rd hospital, Ipswich) I cannot praise highly enough the dedication and professionalism of the nursing staff involved with my care. They were helpful, friendly, attentive, and I doubt more than 10 minutes would pass without a nurse coming into the ward and asking if everyone was OK or was anything needed.
The doctors, however, did not seem to have the same caring attitude. When I tried asking the consultant a question when he was doing his rounds I was fobbed off with "I can't stop to talk, I'm far too busy. I'll see if an intern can come to see you later", which he never did.
Chances are he was too busy because he wanted to rush through his NHS patients and get off to his private practice.
As for the remark about nurses earning £33,000... where the hell did you get that figure from? I think the average nurse is on about half that.
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I've just checked and here are some of the pay rates:-
Newly qualified nurse - £15,445
Specialist ITU nurse - £19,935
Unit Manager - £24,985
Director of Nursing - £50,000
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Last year my mother was rushed into hospital with an emergency.
The system was totally disorganised, the support systems chaotic, and the medical staff were rarely available to be talked with, drugs that should have been readily available were not because the pharmacy had shut, and whenever something happened that looked like the situation was deteriorating (in the end everything worked out ok), it could take half an hour even to talk to someone.
None of this is a criticism of the people on the front line (some of whom, when they could find a few minutes to attend to my mothers needs, were very caring and expert), just that the systems were weak, and staff overstretched.
Once the emergency was over, she was transferred to a private ward, and although the dedication and competence of the staff was no better, the overall patient experience was incomparably superior simply because the underlying systems were that much better, and the staffing ratios were far superior.
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I can't quite believe esecallums inflammatory tone and provocative nature in her post, though if she believes them to be true based on real facts then I suppose I can understand the tone.
Any nurse reading it I bet would be totally horrified. I certainly agree with ETH, where on earth did you get that salary figure from ?..perhaps the same place you got all your facts too !! (unless you meant 33000 dollars !! and not UK £s)....still..perhaps we should spend more money on managers supervising them and getting them to account for their minute by minute daily routine.
Michaels right too, they can only do their best with the tools that they have but you are saying that they just don't care.
On second thoughts, you did mean £ and not $ !...sheesh !!
Don't most nurses do their jobs as a labour of love ?
We had our fourth child at Barnet Hospital. Recently, the UKs No 1 for the number of cases of MRSA, not a fact to be proud of)....I have to say they have now improved that vastly but whilst there, the wards were spotless, cleaners were cleaning and nursers were nursing. I have to say it was without a doubt (on the surface) pristine.
We've all had varietys in the level of care during our hospital visits and I have no doubt that some of esecallums points are probably valid....but as a generalisation, it is a wild and incitive statement which if true, is terrifying.
Another_Someone...hope mummy is better now [:)]
Men are the same as women.... just inside out !!
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another_someone - I totally agree. The management systems are a joke; but a very unfunny one. My discharge was delayed by almost 4 hours because of paperwork. The doctor had said on his morning rounds that I could be discharged. Why couldn't there have been a piece of paper for him to sign there and then? Oh no, that'd be far too easy and would negate the need for so many administrators. We had to wait for the forms to come through from the office, the doctor then had to be located so he could sign them. Once that was done, the prescription request was sent to the pharmacy and the medication took over an hour to find its way to the ward.
Note to Mr Blair - As I live out in the country I don't have a lot of choice as to which hospital I get taken to, so your league tables are about as much use to me as a bike is to a haddock! I'm sure 90% of the paperwork could be got rid of and the NHS would not grind to a halt. Far from it. I think the whole organisation would probably run a lot better if there were more people providing care and fewer pushing ridiculous forms around that serve no purpose other than to provide administrators with figures that can be easily skewed to make it look as if theirs is the most important job in the world.