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On the Lighter Side => New Theories => Topic started by: YG on 13/11/2011 01:42:09
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Yes, most probably, this is what it is caused by. Black Hole associated vortices, generating propagating away gravitational spiral waves, which create a repulsive gravitational force field- this is what is causing the Universe accelerated expansion!
Vortex, an important Nature phenomenon, is normally hardly accessible, or too distant, or too fast or, in its other appearances, too slow for detailed parametric observations. Except the liquid vortex, a study of which we carried out, assuming it is adequately representing most of the generic vortex features, and we have discovered a few of its really intriguing appearances.
We have found the vortex to generate outgoing double-spiral waves (see the first image attached).
Another spinning double-spiral was found to be formed below the formal funnel bottom propagating down into the drain hole. It is shown at the second image. Due to the lower double spiral, the funnel bottom was most of the time shaped not as a circle but as a rough digit 8-like "dipole", and its spinning was the intrinsic cause inducing generation of the double spiral waves.
In a similar way it occurs in the micro-world, for example, the excitation energy of an excited spinning molecule could be emitted in the form of electromagnetic waves if its shape is asymmetric (dipole-like) .
Spiral waves generation was taking place at all the conditions observed, and a solid conclusion was made that the double spiral wave generation is an intrinsic vortex property most probably universal and applicable for other types of vortexes, including the most impressive ones - the cosmic Black Holes.
In this case, the spinning vortex bottom dipole dynamically modulates the space-time continuum generating waves, which are propagating away from the Black Hole all the way through the space-time as spiral waves. Spiral waves carry forward momentum transferring it on their way to the cosmic massive objects, creating a repulsing force field, which induces mass-repelling action at long-range when the static gravitation attraction deems out. This effect, if occurring, will make the Black Holes to be the likely source of energy (Dark Energy), and the generated gravitational spiral waves to be the energy carriers transferring it to the remote massive objects, thus fueling the Universe accelerating expansion.
The second attached image demonstrates also the so-called spagettification effect- swift elongation of the initially roughly round-shaped foam patches while they are moving down into the funnel- it is a nice demo of this, theoretically predicted for the Black Holes phenomenon.
Here is an important note: thanks to the water transparency we could see the vortex also from aside, which allowed us to observe the developments below the vortex bottom, actually beyond its "event horizon". If the liquid was non-transparent, the key function of the lower (beyond-the-vortex-bottom) double-spiral could not been observed and thereby not realized. This indicates that the beyond the event horizon Black Hole developments, even being unobservable, could, nevertheless influence and even control the overall Black Hole structure and dynamics.
I have added one more picture tracing individual spirals of the generated double spiral wave.
Click at the images if you would like to zoom.
There are more related images shown below.
Also, I've placed a nice selection of relevant video clips at YouTube at http://www.youtube.com/user/YehielGotkis?feature=mhee
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Here are some more details about these matters:
The vortex we studied and will be discussing here was observed at a free Water Drain Hole (WDH). Conventional 7 Mpix digital camera was used to record video clips and images of the vortex appearance details.
The first and major striking WDH feature observed was the wave generation: the WDH was spreading waves propagating away from it i.e. oppositely to the water flow towards the WDH. The wave generation occurred under all operating conditions, and appears to be an intrinsic vortex property. As far as the wave configuration is concerned the waves were found to be not concentric circular waves, as common sense hinted, but spiral waves. A typical wave pattern could be described as a major double spiral with some finer spirals imposed over the two major spirals.
The spiral generation mechanism was found to be linked to the irregularities of the spinning vortex funnel. The spinning funnel bottom was never perfectly circular but asymmetric, and was continuously changing its profile. The irregularities, each of them of its particular and time-dependent amplitude, width and location, acted as wave generating dislocations. Each irregularity, during its lifecycle “carved” a thread over the funnel surface, which propagated upward and turning to the surface continued its propagation as a surface spiral wave. Multiplicity of the fluctuating irregularities produced a continuously changing bundle of alike spiral waves, reflecting the spectrum of the funnel shape irregularities developing at a given moment of time.
This mechanism of spinning funnel irregularities developing into a bundle of outgoing spiral waves, explaining well the multi-spiral wave generation, does not provide any idea about the nature of the major high amplitude double spiral wave. Its origin became clear when a clearly visible from aside spinning double spiral tail was observed steaming down from the bottom of the funnel. It was shaped like a expanding twisted twin-coil tail extending down into the drain tube. The major structuring activity of the funnel and its shape were governed by the motion of this tail, and especially of migration of its “connection” spots. As a result, most of the time the spinning funnel bottom appeared as a distorted ellipse or better to say a rough digit_ 8-like dipole. Sometimes it even resembled the known Yin-Yang twin symbol, which, being certainly a coincidence, looked very intriguing. This spinning bottom dipole was, in fact, what was carving the surface of the funnel actually performing the double spiral wave generating job.
So far, evidently, it was the lower double spiral and its motion, inducing rough elliptic funnel bottom distortion and formation of the spinning rough dipole, which was generating the major double-spiral waves. Fine spirals induced by the small amplitude disturbances quickly relaxed while propagating away from the WDH, finally leaving on the surface the major dipole induced double spiral.
Additionally, the state of the surface with the spiral waves propagating over it was found to be not smooth but having some specific roughness pattern; as even it was chopped in small sections, as even depicted in the “cubistic” style. Some examples of this surface roughness pattern are presented below. Two possible reasons for appearance of this pattern, acting separately or in combination, could be brought to the attention:
• Peculiar to spirals azimuthal component, which, being different for the neighboring spiral turns, should induce some local whirling action.
• “Carving” interference between the streams, heading towards the WDH, and outgoing spiral waves.
Discussion. The main point to be discussion is certainly double spirals, specifically, what is that special in the double-spirals, that controls its appearance at the both sides of the funnel bottom. This special feature is the double spiral axial symmetry. Single spiral does not have axial symmetry and, for this reason, is unstable while spinning. Double-spiral is the simplest spiral configuration which does have axial symmetry and for this reason is stable in the spinning mode. So, appearance of double spirals should actually be considered as a natural rather than exceptional vortex development.
Thereby this effect of vortex funnel dipole-like distortion generating propagating away spiral waves seems to be an intrinsic property of any vortex type.
One of the most impressive and seemingly influential vortex phenomenon in the Nature is cosmic Black Hole (BH), so it would be very interesting to speculate how these vortex developments will manifest itselves in the BH case and what effects will be induced upon the space-time continuum and the surrounding massive objects.
So, if the WDH and BH vortexes are governed by similar dynamics, than, as an intrinsic vortex property, spiral waves have to be generated also by the BHs, in this case the waves to be propagating over the space-time continuum.
Carrying energy and momentum, the spiral waves transfer them to other cosmic objects they meet on their way (galaxies, other BHs) causing a repelling action at large distances where the static attractive gravity vanishes. It is a good indication that the BH vortex induced space-time spiral waves could be the likely cause for the Universe accelerating expansion and the source of the Dark Energy. It also points out that vortex should be considered as one of the most significant and influential phenomenon in the Nature.
Another important point to address is the observation of the lower double-spiral and its key role in the wave generation mechanism. Detection of the lower double-spiral located below the vortex bottom, or in other words beyond its “event horizon” was possible only because the media (water) was transparent and the lower double-spiral was reasonably well visible through the water from aside. Otherwise, would the water be non-transparent, the lower double spiral could not be observed and its key function not realized. This means that developments taking place below the Black Hole events horizon and thereby not available for observations could, nevertheless, have key influence upon its appearance, its structure and its dynamics.
Some relevant photo images and links to video clips demonstrating the most of the important WDH features and developments are given below.
Best,
YG
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If you take the trouble to convert this post from a wall of text into something a bit more readable, other members might be more inclined to read it.
A precis might help too.
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Glad to do anything to improve it and accept your assistance. Any suggestions how and what can we do?
Thanks for the proposal,
YG
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Just another quick comment.
There are no, I believe, perfectly symmetric objects in the Universe. Also, most if not all the objects are spinning, and, being asymmetric, should spread spiral gravitational waves, which create over the space long-range repelling gravitational dynamics, fueling Universe accelerated expansion.
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This explanation also removes all the the Dark energy magics from the Universe expansion observations, which still fit the Einstein gravitational concepts, just combining dynamic effects to the static gravitation model. At short distances the static (attractive) gravitation field prevails over the dynamic repulsive force field, which becomes dominating at the long range.
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Some imaging info related to vortex spiral waves and observations and associated matters you can find at http://gotkisy.blog.com/
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Here you can also watch a couple of video clips demonstrating the upper double spiral waves http://gotkisy.blog.com/2010/07/08/24/upper-double-spiral/
and the lower double spiral
http://gotkisy.blog.com/2010/07/08/22/great-spiral/
Just click at the corresponding links at the windows appearing at the above addresses
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Oh, yes, forgot to mention an important detail! The water draining hole, where the vortex developments were taking place and where we carried out our observations, was configured to make it resembling a two-dimensional rather than a three dimensional configuration, namely, the space the waves were allowed to exit back into the water pool and propagate away from the vortex was narrower than the vortex funnel depth, thus keeping the upper wave developments in a reasonably thin upper water layer. In the same time also the vortex developments were kept as free as possible of any potential limitations or disturbances. Just to make the developments as similar as possible to the ones, which would probably take place in the case of a spinning Black Hole vortex on the top of the two-dimensional space-time fabric.
We imaged (video clips and pictures) the water vortex developments from the top and from variety of angles to see the maximum of the variety of details. And we've seen what we've seen, and attempted to interpret the observations as we've understood them, and this is what we present here for your attention and discussion.
Thanks,
YG
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Finally, I've learned how to insert images in my posts, so I will show quite a number of them with some quick comments. Here you have a selection of images showing what is going in at the bottom of the vortex funnel. It has nothing to do with a perfect circular shape. Most frequently a digit 8-like shape is clearly visible. Sometimes it even looks like a known Yin-Yang shape, which being certainly coincidental, could, nevertheless, be an exciting appearance for some people believing in Yin-Yang mysticism.
The last image demonstrates the propagation of the spiral thread upward to the surface.
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Here is a selection of the lower double-spiral appearances. Also pay attention at the foam patches "spagettification", once they get into the funnel.
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And here is a couple of more images:
1. Spiral galaxy like pattern developed when a handful of shredded dried leaves debris was thrown at the water pool surface around the water drain hole.
2. Foam patch "Spagettification"
3. Hubble telescope image of the Whirlpool galaxy (double spiral)
4. The original Hubble image of the Whirlpool double spiral galaxy, and the fine structure, clearly observable at the picture fragment 5.
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We've also observed that additionally to the waves the water surface around the vortex shows some fine structure. as even it is chopped to some smaller sections, or maybe it would be interesting to refer as as even it is depicted in the "Cubism" style (see the set of images below). It is interesting that something similar to this fine structure could be observed for the Whirlpool galaxy (compare the images of water vortex images here below and the Whirlpool galaxy fragment image above.
I also added another couple of images of vortex "Cubism" fine structure.
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I'm presuming you are suggesting the universe being a 'vortex' here? That should show itself in the CBR (Cosmic microwave background radiation), shouldn't it?
So, does it?
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Actually, not exactly. My idea is that the multiplicity of Universe mass objects, being asymmetric, while spinning, and I believe all of them are spinning, cause dynamic perturbation of the space-time continuum, which propagates away from the source as a double spiral wave. Spiral waves transfer momentum (and energy) to the massive objects the waves meet on their way, inducing a force (and acceleration, according to Newton) directed away from the wave source, or in other words, providing energy fueling the accelerating expansion. Well, with this explanation there is nothing Dark left about this matter, it is in perfect accordance with the great Einstein's predictions: at the massive object nearby vicinity it own static gravitational field overwhelms the dynamic repulsive wave component; however, at long range the spiral wave induced repulsion starts to dominate, causing long range repulsion of distant large massive objects.
So, it is the multiplicity of vortexes, associated with the speedy spinning small size super-massive objects, like super-massive Black Holes, which induce high amplitude spiral waves, traveling along the space-time fabric and transferring the energy to the distant massive objects. Once these waves reach another super-massive object and get into the associated oscillating space-time dip surrounding it, it may cause intense wave interaction causing a tsunami-like repelling effect.
Also, in such a case, the Universe itself, assuming it is of a limited size, should emit repelling space-time waviness, which, if the Multiverse model is adequate, will retard the other surrounding Universes, thus covering the accelerated expansion also for the Multiverse model.
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Well, if that 'space time fabric' you prelude to include a 'space' too? Then it should act on the CBR too I think?
But I'm not sure what you mean by the 'Space Time Fabric'?
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Here is one more crazy guess: if spiral waves induced by the variety of the super-massive Black Holes, while propagating along the space-time, interfere with each other, than some high amplitude spikes could peak from time to time, inducing some very unusual gravitational effects, say, for example, trigerring formation of a new Universe...
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Dear yor_on, thanks for the question, which I even do not know how to answer in simple terms. It may take too much time and space here to get into these matters. How much of the Advanced Physics or Cosmology, or something related did you study? It would be great if you learn something about Einstein's relativity theories, which introduce this subject. Or you can go to Wikipedia and read what they write about space-time fabric. There is also a couple of related TV educational programs.
Here is a couple of useful links
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fabric_of_the_Cosmos
https://www.google.com/#hl=en&cp=13&gs_id=1j&xhr=t&q=space+time+fabric&tok=8kWLfz1CR9patHiXe0S9EA&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&source=hp&pbx=1&oq=space+time+fa&aq=0&aqi=g4&aql=&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=ab9cd75587a78731&biw=1366&bih=571
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Well I just call it SpaceTime :)
But I would really like you to explain what you mean, in your own words, not citing the telly.
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And one more point that came to my mind just now, and it is about double spiral structure (many of the Galaxies, as well as other types of vortexes): in a reasonably uniform space there is no reason really stabilizing the double spiral structure, thereby it is a little bit surprising to observe so many double spiral shaped galaxies all over the Universe. In our liquid vortex we did observe a large number of small amplitude outgoing spirals, induced by the roughness features at the bottom of the funnel. However, the major high amplitude double spiral was generated by the digit 8-like bottom dipole, which was induced due to the lower spinning double-spiral. It may mean that the double spiral shape of the galaxies is is induced by the outgoing gravitational double-spiral wave, produced by the asymmetric super-massive Black Hole in its center rather than with the galaxy spinning itself.
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More examples of the bottom dipole
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And a couple of nice dipoles more below
And the other two consecutive images (less then 1 sec apart)demonstrate the floating foam patches spagettification, as an analogy of massive object spagettification while it "floats" along the space-time fabric into the Black Hole singularity.
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Here is my most recently modified conclusive formula:
It is the multiplicity of vortexes, associated with the speedy spinning small size super-massive objects, like super-massive Black Holes, which induce high amplitude spiral waves.
It is the spiral wave, which traveling along the space-time fabric, transfers the energy to the distant massive objects.
Once the wave reaches another super-massive object and gets into the associated space-time dip or singularity (which is also oscillating due to its own containing spinning mass), it may and highly probable will induce a strong force-forward interaction apparently causing a tsunami-like repelling effect.
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I've started to place some of my relevant to these matters videoclips at YouTube at http://www.youtube.com/user/YehielGotkis?feature=mhee
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I just ran into another image of the Whirlpool galaxy. Here it is together with my comment on it. It is practically copy exact" of what we've observed with out liquid vortex, isn't it?
Especielly impressive for me is the central dipole, inducing the double spiral
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Dear YOR_ON, let me add one more cent to our discussion. First, if I replace the term "spacetime fabric" with the term "spacetime continuum" or just "spacetime", would it sound more correct to you? I do not have any problem with this, because all three terms are synonyms in Physical sense.
What I am trying to say in this my summary is that if we allow ourselves to consider static bending of the spacetime due to the presence of mass, we should not exclude the possibility of dynamic spacetime bending effects, associated, for example, with mass reciprocating motion (oscillation), or the massive object shape fluctuation, or the massive object spinning if its shaped is asymmetric, the last case is the one I am discussing in this topic.
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Guys, look what I've found at the Web
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Yapp, here some serious theory regarding the discussed matters is published http://arxiv.org/pdf/1208.3038.pdf
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_spiral
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logarithmic_spiral
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibonacci_number
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/93/Fibonacci_spiral_34.svg
some cool "facts" on spirals....
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( interesting )
I think for a good experiment, "somehow" you need to get a ball spinning "underwater", this could prove difficult, and add into the water, small clumps of any substance that can "float", some that sorta stay in the middle, and some that sits on the bottom, then start the ball spinning, and watch what happens to the "clumps" in the water........of course water is not the best medium, as space is not the consistency of water....