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Title: How does the infant enter our symbolic world?
Post by: coberst on 04/08/2009 10:15:34
How does the infant enter our symbolic world?

Ernest Becker, Pulitzer Prize winner for his book The Denial of Death, makes the point that the humanization process is one wherein the individual exchanges the natural organismic propensity for a mysterious symbolic dictation.  The child in its very essential formative age is faced with denying that which ‘comes naturally’ for what are symbolic dictates that are far beyond its ability for comprehension.  The child’s formation of character is dictated by its need to be somebody in the symbolic world.

John Dewey learned long ago that “the child continually loses battles he does not understand…we earn our early self-esteem not actively but in large part passively, by having our action blocked and re-oriented to the parents pleasure.”

In the very essential formative years the child develops character traits that in many cases remain with that individual for the rest of their life.

What is character?  Character is the network of habits that permeate all the intentional acts of an individual.

I am not using the word habit in the way we often do, as a technical ability existing apart from our wishes.  These habits are an intimate and fundamental part of our selves.  They are representations of our will.  They rule our will, working in a coordinated way they dominate our way of acting.  These habits are the results of repeated, intelligently controlled, actions. 

Habits also control the formation of ideas as well as physical actions.  We cannot perform a correct action or a correct idea without having already formed correct habits.  “Reason pure of all influence from prior habit is a fiction.”  “The medium of habit filters all material that reaches our perception and thought.”  “Immediate, seemingly instinctive, feeling of the direction and end of various lines of behavior is in reality the feeling of habits working below direct consciousness.”  “Habit means special sensitiveness or accessibility to certain classes of stimuli, standing predilections and aversions, rather than bare recurrence of specific acts.  It means will.”

Britannica specifies that attitude is “a predisposition to classify objects and events and to react to them with some degree of evaluative consistency.”

If I consult my inner self I cannot focus upon an attitude but can infer such an attitude based on behavior.  If I wish to become conscious of my intuition I can through observation of behavior describe the attitude, which, in turn, allows me to ascertain the nature of my intuition.

When a mother tells her son “you must change your attitude”.  The son cannot change the attitude directly but the son must change his intuition from which the inferred attitude emanates.  This does become a bit convoluted but in essence when we wish to change an attitude we are saying that our intuition must be modified.  We can modify intuition only through habit directed by our will.

“Were it not for the continued operation of all habits in every act, no such thing as character would exist.  There would be simply a bundle, an untied bundle at that, of isolated acts.  Character is the interpenetrating of habits.  If each habit in an insulated compartment and operated without affecting or being affected by others, character would not exist.  That is conduct would lack unity being only juxtaposition of disconnected reactions to separated situations.  But since environments overlap, since situations are continuous and those remote from one another contain like elements, a continuous modification of habits by one another is constantly going on.”

My understanding of character and the quotations concerning the nature of character are taken from Habits and Will by John Dewey
Title: How does the infant enter our symbolic world?
Post by: Herman Melville on 04/08/2009 11:52:46
No offence, Cobert, but how about having a day off from 'the natural organismic propensity for a mysterious symbolic dictation' etc and posting a photo from your day ( http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=24173.0 )? Or, maybe you could show us a picture of your cat in a car ( http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=24436.0 )?
Title: How does the infant enter our symbolic world?
Post by: coberst on 04/08/2009 15:11:32
No offence, Cobert, but how about having a day off from 'the natural organismic propensity for a mysterious symbolic dictation' etc and posting a photo from your day ( http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=24173.0 )? Or, maybe you could show us a picture of your cat in a car ( http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=24436.0 )?
  What are you?  Some kind of pervert?
Title: How does the infant enter our symbolic world?
Post by: Herman Melville on 04/08/2009 16:17:35
No offence, Cobert, but how about having a day off from 'the natural organismic propensity for a mysterious symbolic dictation' etc and posting a photo from your day ( http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=24173.0 )? Or, maybe you could show us a picture of your cat in a car ( http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=24436.0 )?
  What are you?  Some kind of pervert?

Eh? For suggesting you lighten up and have some fun in a forum section dedicated to 'chat'?! Don't worry, I will keep well away from your threads in future, and hope that all the other forum members will do so too.
Title: How does the infant enter our symbolic world?
Post by: Make it Lady on 04/08/2009 17:07:19
We are all "some kind of pervert" that is what makes us individuals.
Title: How does the infant enter our symbolic world?
Post by: Variola on 04/08/2009 19:44:23
No offence, Cobert, but how about having a day off from 'the natural organismic propensity for a mysterious symbolic dictation' etc and posting a photo from your day ( http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=24173.0 )? Or, maybe you could show us a picture of your cat in a car ( http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=24436.0 )?
  What are you?  Some kind of pervert?

Not a pervert no, but he is really good at spotting people who waste forum time posting up reams and reams of pointless tripe that they then go and post on 6 different other sites!
Herman provides some great threads and has done much to liven this forum up, I look forward to reading his posts and I enjoy the light heartedness that he brings here. That is more than I can say for you Coberst.
Title: How does the infant enter our symbolic world?
Post by: coberst on 04/08/2009 20:01:54


I don’t do bumper stickers.  I show just a hint of leg and if you want to go high and inside you must go to the books.
Title: How does the infant enter our symbolic world?
Post by: Variola on 04/08/2009 20:10:22


I don’t do bumper stickers.  I show just a hint of leg and if you want to go high and inside you must go to the books.


You dont do debate, criticism or sense either Coberst.
Title: How does the infant enter our symbolic world?
Post by: Ethos on 04/08/2009 20:29:25
How does the infant enter our symbolic world?


Duhhhhhhhh, from between his/hers mother's legs!