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quote:Originally posted by erichI feel this new study says it all:http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/05/08/lesbian.brains.ap/index.htmlno surprise, Like anyone would chose to be gay. But I like this study because one can extrapolate that sexual identity is a sliding scale. That very few of us are exclusively hetero in our hormonal sensitivity, although most of us are in our sexual behavior. That hetero, bi, and homo are very coarse and stigmatizing labels.
quote:Originally posted by ukmickyi still reckon its a genetic flaw
quote:Originally posted by another_someonequote:Originally posted by ukmickyi still reckon its a genetic flaw In evolution, there is no such thing as an error, only random variation. That the traits continue at around 10% of the population (very similar to that monitored in sheep), indicates that the genes that create such a predisposition are not of themselves harmful to the species (at least, not at the level it exists).Whether one takes a religious, or an evolutionary, perspective; to assume it to be an error is to assume that your own design of nature is superior to that which was created by nature or by God (whichever you would prefer). Nature has no concept of error or correctness, whereas God is supposed to be incapable of error.George
quote:There are a number of different causes of SCID. Each is caused by a different genetic defect, and each develops along a different pathway: X-linked SCID, the most common type, a genetic flaw damages molecules that allow T cells and B cells to receive signals from crucial growth factors. ADA deficiency results from the lack of an enzyme called adenosine deaminase (ADA) that helps cells, especially immune cells, to get rid of toxic byproducts. Without ADA, poisons build up and kill the lymphocytes.
quote:WHAT ARE THE FORMS OF LIMB-GIRDLE MUSCULAR DYSTROPHY?There are at least 13 forms of LGMD, and they’re classified by the genetic flaws that appear to cause them (see “Known Forms of Limb-Girdle Muscular Dystrophy”). By 2005, 11 genes that lead to production of muscle proteins had been implicated as definite causes of LGMD when they’re flawed. MDA research was behind much of the work that identified these LGMD genes.
quote:Some 7.9 million children a year are born with serious birth defects caused at least partly by a genetic flaw, such as heart defects, spina bifida and other neural tube defects, sickle cell anemia and Down syndrome.
quote:Originally posted by ukmickyI dont agree with you george and there are lots and lots of people much cleverer than me who also disagree with youhttp://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/05/030516083103.htm I also do believe (according to peter tatchell) that in the UK the BMA class homosexuality as a mental illness. http://www-tech.mit.edu/V113/N62/cancer.62w.htmlhttp://www.sciencenews.org/pages/pdfs/data/1998/153-17/15317-18.pdfhttp://www.popularmechanics.com/science/research/1282176.htmlhttp://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=990CE7D8123FF932A05752C0A963958260 quote:There are a number of different causes of SCID. Each is caused by a different genetic defect, and each develops along a different pathway: X-linked SCID, the most common type, a genetic flaw damages molecules that allow T cells and B cells to receive signals from crucial growth factors. ADA deficiency results from the lack of an enzyme called adenosine deaminase (ADA) that helps cells, especially immune cells, to get rid of toxic byproducts. Without ADA, poisons build up and kill the lymphocytes. http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=25154 quote:WHAT ARE THE FORMS OF LIMB-GIRDLE MUSCULAR DYSTROPHY?There are at least 13 forms of LGMD, and they’re classified by the genetic flaws that appear to cause them (see “Known Forms of Limb-Girdle Muscular Dystrophy”). By 2005, 11 genes that lead to production of muscle proteins had been implicated as definite causes of LGMD when they’re flawed. MDA research was behind much of the work that identified these LGMD genes.http://www.mdausa.org/publications/fa-lgmd-qa.html quote:Some 7.9 million children a year are born with serious birth defects caused at least partly by a genetic flaw, such as heart defects, spina bifida and other neural tube defects, sickle cell anemia and Down syndrome.http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11101963/so gene's which predisposes families to cancer or Schizophrenia for example are not genectic flaws. They are to me ..we are born to live and any genetic abnormality/mutation which prevents someone from living, doing the most basic thing in life is a flaw.We are given working reproductive organs for a reason to Procreate and anything which we are born with which prevents us from do this is a flaw and in my opinion gay people are born gay . Michael
quote:Originally posted by tanianMaybe it is testosterone related, or maybe it is just a wiring problem, exactly like dyslexia.
quote: It seems there could very well be a direct correlation between dyslexia and homosexuality, because it is all about perception, after all.
quote:Originally posted by tanianI think the argument that homosexuality is detrimental to the population growth has been well established here, so I won't waste time reiterating it. I will tell you I believe it to be an erroneous, detrimental, and therefore undesireable aspect of our culture.I personally believe it to be a mental illness- in exactly the same sense that epilepsy and dyslexia are mental illnesses. I fail to see how anyone could define them as anything else.That's not to say I have any prejudices- I truly do not, someone's sexuality is an irrelevance when it comes to contributing to society, but I do believe that nature clearly did not intend on giving these people children to care for (enter the political arguments over same sex couples as adoptive parents... fight amongst yourselves, I'll be over here...).There is an argument that homosexuality is a result of hormone levels in the womb - 'the fight to be male' - and the various issues that come with transforming an embryo into a fully functioning Wayne Rooney (hell he's so straight he sleeps with old hookers). Maybe it is testosterone related, or maybe it is just a wiring problem, exactly like dyslexia. It seems there could very well be a direct correlation between dyslexia and homosexuality, because it is all about perception, after all. To be honest I doubt we will ever know - who in their right mind would pursue funding for the necessary research with todays PC climate? One cannot offend the sexually dyslexic, even in the name of science []
quote:Originally posted by neilepAre you saying that like Dyslexia and mental illness's, that homosexuality is then treatable?...
quote: Who in their right minds is going to try and get homosexuals to be treated...I've never heard such a bizarre notion...they feel just as normal as you and I do !!....
quote:I do not agree that homosexuality is detrimental to the population growth....What about all the straight people who decide to not be parents? ...should they be forced to procreate?
quote:Your final statement where you say one can not offend the sexual dyslexic IS offensive !!....
quote:I think in this regard funding for research as to the nature of heterosexuality AND homosexuality could be beneficial so that misguided prejudiced people with their so called 'non prejudiced ' points of view may benefit from the results.
quote:Originally posted by tanianI truly do not, someone's sexuality is an irrelevance when it comes to contributing to society, but I do believe that nature clearly did not intend on giving these people children to care for (enter the political arguments over same sex couples as adoptive parents... fight amongst yourselves, I'll be over here...).
quote: can I ask you something?... For arguments sake, humour me will you ?....If it could be proved that being gay is NOT an illness would you then accept that ?...____________________
quote:Who in their right minds is going to try and get homosexuals to be treated...I've never heard such a bizarre notion...they feel just as normal as you and I do!!.... It sickens me that homosexuality is compared to a mental illness
quote: I question ones statement when people say they are not prejudiced and then go on to state that gays are gay because they are ill !!
quote:Originally posted by ukmickyHowever I personally find the act of homosexual penetrative sex between two males disgusting and wrong, and therefore find the people who do this act as disgusting and wrong, but the same has to be said about penetrative anal sex between a man and a woman which I find equally abhorrent. Anal sex is not something that evolution has designed the human body to do and has in fact caused the death of a number of individuals participating in it. In my view its nasty, horrible, dirty and disgusting and I wouldn't argue against it being outlawed.
quote:On a side issue in regards to the acceptance of homosexuality, it's weird how women seem to accept it more than men.
quote:It doesn't sicken me because a mental illness doesn't have to be something bad.
quote:One of the reasons homosexuality was dropped as a mental illness in the USA was because of the stigma which comes unfairly with term "mental illness". Many people think that someone with a mental illness is bad for society or someone who should be shunned ,and so they figured therefore that people would then feel that if homosexualarity remained a mental disorder then homosexuals would also recieve some of the prejudeces people recieve through having a mental condition.but in the real world they believe e 1 in 4 people are diagnosed with one form or another of mental illness and most lead normal happy productive lives . Lots of people do not even know that they have a mental disorder until it is diagnosed and up to then felt like there was nothing wrong with them, they felt normal and even after diagnosis they still felt normal. But what is normal?
quote:The population is getting older and not enough children are being born but I'm not qualified to give an opinion on this one so thats as far as i will go.
quote:If they could find a way too prevent any child of yours from being born gay by giving you a simple tablet which was totally safe to take would you take it. And if you wouldn’t take it would you protest against other people taking it.
quote:If one could take a pill that would guarantee that your child would be male, then a great number of people in India, China, and no doubt many other countries, would choose to take that pill (there is already evidence of extensive gender based selective abortions in those countries).
quote: they could find a way too prevent any child of yours from being born gay by giving you a simple tablet which was totally safe to take would you take it.