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On the Lighter Side => New Theories => Topic started by: in on 02/12/2006 00:46:19
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Ok this ia new idea. I just want serious responses no one being offensive to me, and no one saying i am a conn artist for this idea. I am not asking for money. I am just asking for an helpful discussion.
The Invention is a cyclical energy device to generate electricity. The device uses a ball that can float in liquid but drop in air. The ball will rise in a liquid bottle chamber but drop in an air chamber to generate electricity. The liquid bottle chamber is sticking out of the liquid in the liquid chamber. The bottle chamber could be described as using the opposite affect of a diving bell. With a diving bell you keep an air bubble in the bell as you drop the diving bell down the ocean a diver can use the air pocket. Yet it is true that if you flood the diving bell then lift the bell half out of the liquid. You can pull a pocket of liquid up above the surface of the liquid that the diving bell is have submerged in. A submarine chamber is used to move the ball from the air chamber to the liquid bottle chamber. An air lock chamber is used to move the ball from the liquid bottle chamber to the air chamber.
The ball will drop down the air chamber generating energy, then be moved into an submarine chamber, where it then moved via this chamber into the liquid bottle chamber. It rises up the bottle liquid chamber then is moved into the air lock chamber. Then drops down the air chamber carrying this cyclical pattern out.
The main problem with the idea is how to get the weight to contract so that the ammount of water in the chamber every occasion the weight rises does not increase by a signifigant extent. My issue with the invetion is is it possible to make the weight contract wihout having to use energy.
By the way this message baord has been OK to me so far. but i have had trouble on other message board(s) where i have been treated as a crank just for putting forward a new idea. I just want a polite discussuon no attention seeking.
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Unfortunately you can't make the ball contract to get it in the other chamber and any way of getting it into the water filled chamber at the bottom (you will have to push it) will take at least as much energy as you get out by it falling in the air filled one, hence unfortunately no energy release.
I have moved this thread to new theories.
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No you do not have to push the weight into the liquid chamber. It uses the Torricelli type system. Where can stand a liquid column in bucket of water, but as the top end is closed the water will not flow out. If you hold a cup full of liquid upside down in the water you can lift it half way up and the water is lifted up inside the cup. You do no have to push the weight to make it enter the liquid chamber. The liquid chamber is open at the bottom the cause of the column standing in the water, is because it is closed at the top.
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Perpetual motion.
There have been thousands of novel ideas to produce perpetual motion, using levers, wheels, falling water etc. etc.
There is a general principle in Science and that is "You don't get anything for nothing".
The floating / falling ball system cannot work because removing the ball, through an air lock at the top involves doing work (the Torricelli vacuum at the top pf the water column means a pressure difference between inside and outside) equal, at the very least to the volume of the ball times the pressure difference.This is the same amount of work you would have to do in pushing the ball into the bottom of a cylinder of water or just pushing it down to the bottom with your finger.
Friction, drag, etc. will all ensure that you need some extra energy so the system will only work once..
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Why do you keep reposting this thread when you could add your comments to the previous times you have posted this thread you are wasting space.
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The last reply is offensive and wrong. This is not the same post being posted, and i am not wasting space. You are an idiot who does not read posts properly andf gives offensive responses. You obviously back your rocks toghter
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In reply to this constructive responses.
I do not have to use any energy to push the weight in at the bottom. Why does everyone think that.
It is difficult to describe so here is a link to a web page that has nothing to do with me but is able to explain the basic concept alot better than i can.
http://www.nettally.com/palmk/FishHiRise.html
The picture shows the scinetific idea i am using. You do not need to use an energy to push an onject into the chamber.
By the way i really mean this the last post was rude and offensive and exactly the sort of attention seeker that i hate. I want to have a fun life i don't need some time waster picking on me. If you are not interested in my post dont't read it. Who do you think you are? You obviously lost your job somewhere, and want someone to cower to you