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On the Lighter Side => New Theories => Topic started by: fr0sty on 17/01/2009 04:37:10
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I'm a bit confused i have a idea about the double slit explaining the path way for the electron (or particle)
and it don't include the imposable or a cat in a box,
but i have only just joined this forum and from what i see i wonder if this is the right place,
i just looked at a question on some one finding worms up on a roof and the 2 replies were with out knowing any thing on worms
I'm the damp worms can climb walls can climb out of a bucket so to get up a drain pipe is no problem and i use to get worms out of drains for fishing,some drains have filters to catch leaf mold etc and worms get washed in there and are happy with all the rotting leaves,
my problem with the double slit experiment it seems as to many people believe in the electron some how going through the wall and i know it to be rubbish,but who will listen to me when i cant spell
part 2
i hope if you now look at this and see that some how i have grasped what isnt supposed to be grasped,first off a oscilloscope not only shows its wave length and height but you are seeing it only in 1 dimension that if see it in 3 dimensions you would see it corkscrew.i tried to make a model of it and put it on youtube,but couldn't do a good video model for people to see,but found this link with a oscilloscope showing side on section ie wave then a head on view and it was round what pattern would a cork screw make ?? here is the link some one said for me to prove what i say and oscilloscope prove it and have for years why did it take a fool like me to see ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lissajous_figures_on_oscilloscope_(90_degrees_phase_shift).gif
here is link to the wave in cristal
Kev
ps sorry new here and this got put in wrong section didnt see this one also i have a video on rainbows would like imput
i state that the rain is just a projector screen rain does not split light
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no 0ne got a comment,iv been on to you tube and not many went to part 2 ? i would like imput,if the electron moves in a cork screw path does it not make more sence than,what is asumed ?
if no one can coment does any one know where i should go for a debate on my idear
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If the electron moved in a corkscrew path you would need to explain what force acted on it that makes it do so.
Otherwise your idea breaks Newton's 1st law of motion.
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I think you need to remember that the double slit experiment is only the simplest place to start with the idea of matter being diffracted. Diffraction can be thought of as occurring (mostly to a ridiculously small degree) under all circumstances for matter and waves.
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If the electron moved in a corkscrew path you would need to explain what force acted on it that makes it do so.
Otherwise your idea breaks Newton's 1st law of motion.
every one seem to forget 1 thing and that is this space and the fact we are flying thought space,it does not go around us if flows through us as ease as it flows through a processor or through lead,and at what speed are we flying around the sun and at what speed are we spinning ?if you want to work it all out you can,i do not believe in every thing,like time travel,it is a measurement with out man there is no time,
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I think you need to remember that the double slit experiment is only the simplest place to start with the idea of matter being diffracted. Diffraction can be thought of as occurring (mostly to a ridiculously small degree) under all circumstances for matter and waves.
one thing i cannot get past is the fact (getting my info from youtube but :) )when it is said that light is like a wave but i get the impression (video clips that was used in reference)that it is then seen as a ripple by saying chucking a stone in a pond,but no that isn't a wave the coast has waves and they act different to ripples,i was watching a video that was showing electrons going through a Cristal and a so called wall was blocking the path way for half the wave (if you want link i can post it )now if you think the waves of electrons act like the waves in the sea it is same responce to a Pier but people think the electrons are popping up from nowhere when it is settling back down (i kept looking at the ark it was making and kept thinking iv seen that ark some where it is as if shooting a machine gun from a fast moving car or spraying a can of paint out of a car then see it was the electrons that got bunched up was settling back down)(think iv got to go through this 5 time easier doing video blogs i can go in to one then) hope it made a bit of sense
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Have you read this?
Double slit experiment !!!ΨΦβωψλΔ [:D] [;D] [:D] [;)]
Yo!! well quantum world is really the world of impossible .... you see generally in our daily life we use Newtonian Mechanics to understand the world around us and also we use special and general relativity of Einstein .. but when you enter into quantum world like size of atom .. well you can't use Newton's laws of motion .. cos quantum world of space and time is unstable ..so, weird laws of physics happens . so, you need to apply new laws of physics like higher dimension and in this way electrons exist many places @ once ... If group of electrons or small particles like protons travel into double slit well experiments have shown that electron or proton will travel both the slits ... like they form wave pattern when u do this experiment !!!... well this quantum world is full of surprises .. so, when scientist fixed instruments to observe what's going on when electrons pass through slits ??? .. so, when they observe it .. it brakes down into double slits and it loses wave pattern ...
so, scientist made conclusion that ... light or electrons act like both particle and wave nature ...
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Heisenberg uncertainty principle states that the values of certain pairs of conjugate variables (position and momentum, for instance) cannot both be known with arbitrary precision
it says that u can't know both @ a time like position and velocity of electron as if they exist everywhere at same time.........
http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=EpSqrb3VK3c&feature=related
and yeah it don't include a cat in a box.. it's just a probability of quantum time .. well
Schrödinger's cat is a thought experiment, often described as a paradox, devised by Austrian physicist Erwin Schrödinger in 1935. It illustrates what he saw as the problem of the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics being applied to everyday objects. The thought experiment presents a cat that might be alive or dead, depending on an earlier random event. In the course of developing this experiment, he coined the term Verschränkung (entanglement).
yeah as u said double slit experiment it seems as to many people believe in the electron some how going through the wall and i know it to be rubbish,but who will listen to me when i cant spell
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yeah they can't go through walls .. right but space and time of quantum world is unstable so, u can't expect an electron @ one position .. so they travel through higher dimensions according to string theory but they can teleport them self anywhere ... depending on there own space and time ....
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Have you read this?
Double slit experiment !!!ΨΦβωψλΔ [:D] [;D] [:D] [;)]
Yo!! well quantum world is really the world of impossible .... you see generally in our daily life we use Newtonian Mechanics to understand the world around us and also we use special and general relativity of Einstein .. but when you enter into quantum world like size of atom .. well you can't use Newton's laws of motion .. cos quantum world of space and time is unstable ..so, weird laws of physics happens . so, you need to apply new laws of physics like higher dimension and in this way electrons exist many places @ once ... If group of electrons or small particles like protons travel into double slit well experiments have shown that electron or proton will travel both the slits ... like they form wave pattern when u do this experiment !!!... well this quantum world is full of surprises .. so, when scientist fixed instruments to observe what's going on when electrons pass through slits ??? .. so, when they observe it .. it brakes down into double slits and it loses wave pattern ...
so, scientist made conclusion that ... light or electrons act like both particle and wave nature ...
also
Heisenberg uncertainty principle states that the values of certain pairs of conjugate variables (position and momentum, for instance) cannot both be known with arbitrary precision
it says that u can't know both @ a time like position and velocity of electron as if they exist everywhere at same time.........
http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=EpSqrb3VK3c&feature=related
and yeah it don't include a cat in a box.. it's just a probability of quantum time .. well
Schrödinger's cat is a thought experiment, often described as a paradox, devised by Austrian physicist Erwin Schrödinger in 1935. It illustrates what he saw as the problem of the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics being applied to everyday objects. The thought experiment presents a cat that might be alive or dead, depending on an earlier random event. In the course of developing this experiment, he coined the term Verschränkung (entanglement).
yeah as u said double slit experiment it seems as to many people believe in the electron some how going through the wall and i know it to be rubbish,but who will listen to me when i cant spell
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yeah they can't go through walls .. right but space and time of quantum world is unstable so, u can't expect an electron @ one position .. so they travel through higher dimensions according to string theory but they can teleport them self anywhere ... depending on there own space and time ....
sorry i didnt know if to past this link in there,didnt want to have chat in to posts on 1 question,
as for have i read it NO, unless there is some thing new there ?
im not going to keep reading madness im not going to get brain washed inthe imposable,i can see when a brainy man used his brains to try to fool,we do not live in or next to a cartoon world simple as that and any one who thinks so prove it with out using rubbish games of IT CANT BE PROVED OR DISSPROVED,OR JUST BECAUSE WE DONT KNOW IT DONT MEAN IT HASNT HAPPENED,if that is the best you all can come up with ,im sorry to say this place is no better than yahoo ask and answer
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Have you read this?
Double slit experiment !!!ΨΦβωψλΔ [:D] [;D] [:D] [;)]
Yo!! well quantum world is really the world of impossible .... you see generally in our daily life we use Newtonian Mechanics to understand the world around us and also we use special and general relativity of Einstein .. but when you enter into quantum world like size of atom .. well you can't use Newton's laws of motion .. cos quantum world of space and time is unstable ..so, weird laws of physics happens . so, you need to apply new laws of physics like higher dimension and in this way electrons exist many places @ once ... If group of electrons or small particles like protons travel into double slit well experiments have shown that electron or proton will travel both the slits ... like they form wave pattern when u do this experiment !!!... well this quantum world is full of surprises .. so, when scientist fixed instruments to observe what's going on when electrons pass through slits ??? .. so, when they observe it .. it brakes down into double slits and it loses wave pattern ...
so, scientist made conclusion that ... light or electrons act like both particle and wave nature ...
also
Heisenberg uncertainty principle states that the values of certain pairs of conjugate variables (position and momentum, for instance) cannot both be known with arbitrary precision
it says that u can't know both @ a time like position and velocity of electron as if they exist everywhere at same time.........
http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=EpSqrb3VK3c&feature=related
and yeah it don't include a cat in a box.. it's just a probability of quantum time .. well
Schrödinger's cat is a thought experiment, often described as a paradox, devised by Austrian physicist Erwin Schrödinger in 1935. It illustrates what he saw as the problem of the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics being applied to everyday objects. The thought experiment presents a cat that might be alive or dead, depending on an earlier random event. In the course of developing this experiment, he coined the term Verschränkung (entanglement).
yeah as u said double slit experiment it seems as to many people believe in the electron some how going through the wall and i know it to be rubbish,but who will listen to me when i cant spell
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yeah they can't go through walls .. right but space and time of quantum world is unstable so, u can't expect an electron @ one position .. so they travel through higher dimensions according to string theory but they can teleport them self anywhere ... depending on there own space and time ....
sorry i didnt know if to past this link in there,didnt want to have chat in to posts on 1 question,
as for have i read it NO, unless there is some thing new there ?
im not going to keep reading madness im not going to get brain washed inthe imposable,i can see when a brainy man used his brains to try to fool,we do not live in or next to a cartoon world simple as that and any one who thinks so prove it with out using rubbish games of IT CANT BE PROVED OR DISSPROVED,OR JUST BECAUSE WE DONT KNOW IT DONT MEAN IT HASNT HAPPENED,if that is the best you all can come up with ,im sorry to say this place is no better than yahoo ask and answer
OH ! yeah brainy man HUH? ?? hello its me who posted it ... oh common I bet no one really knows or understands Quantum Mechanics ?
and Einstein him self hated it .. Just like u do ?? .... Watch more documentaries on Quantum Mechanics !?? ... Plz could u tell me what is u r actual question ??
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I'm saying he is right and you can tell where the electron is if you relies it is in a cork screw path (now prove me wrong don't talk about quantum rubbish as if you understand it)
don't say im mad or wrong show me,and not to silly links on some one lecturing rubbish)
i will go some where else if im to thick for this comm
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Have you read this?
Double slit experiment !!!ΨΦβωψλΔ [:D] [;D] [:D] [;)]
Yo!! well quantum world is really the world of impossible .... you see generally in our daily life we use Newtonian Mechanics to understand the world around us and also we use special and general relativity of Einstein .. but when you enter into quantum world like size of atom .. well you can't use Newton's laws of motion .. cos quantum world of space and time is unstable ..so, weird laws of physics happens . so, you need to apply new laws of physics like higher dimension and in this way electrons exist many places @ once ... If group of electrons or small particles like protons travel into double slit well experiments have shown that electron or proton will travel both the slits ... like they form wave pattern when u do this experiment !!!... well this quantum world is full of surprises .. so, when scientist fixed instruments to observe what's going on when electrons pass through slits ??? .. so, when they observe it .. it brakes down into double slits and it loses wave pattern ...
so, scientist made conclusion that ... light or electrons act like both particle and wave nature ...
also
Heisenberg uncertainty principle states that the values of certain pairs of conjugate variables (position and momentum, for instance) cannot both be known with arbitrary precision
it says that u can't know both @ a time like position and velocity of electron as if they exist everywhere at same time.........
http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=EpSqrb3VK3c&feature=related
and yeah it don't include a cat in a box.. it's just a probability of quantum time .. well
Schrödinger's cat is a thought experiment, often described as a paradox, devised by Austrian physicist Erwin Schrödinger in 1935. It illustrates what he saw as the problem of the Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics being applied to everyday objects. The thought experiment presents a cat that might be alive or dead, depending on an earlier random event. In the course of developing this experiment, he coined the term Verschränkung (entanglement).
yeah as u said double slit experiment it seems as to many people believe in the electron some how going through the wall and i know it to be rubbish,but who will listen to me when i cant spell
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yeah they can't go through walls .. right but space and time of quantum world is unstable so, u can't expect an electron @ one position .. so they travel through higher dimensions according to string theory but they can teleport them self anywhere ... depending on there own space and time ....
sorry i didnt know if to past this link in there,didnt want to have chat in to posts on 1 question,
as for have i read it NO, unless there is some thing new there ?
im not going to keep reading madness im not going to get brain washed inthe imposable,i can see when a brainy man used his brains to try to fool,we do not live in or next to a cartoon world simple as that and any one who thinks so prove it with out using rubbish games of IT CANT BE PROVED OR DISSPROVED,OR JUST BECAUSE WE DONT KNOW IT DONT MEAN IT HASNT HAPPENED,if that is the best you all can come up with ,im sorry to say this place is no better than yahoo ask and answer
YEah we do live in a 3d cartoon world + time = 4d world still we need to know higher dimensional things ?? well u said ( IT CANT BE PROVED OR DISSPROVED,OR JUST BECAUSE WE DONT KNOW IT DONT MEAN IT HASNT HAPPENED, ) well count on LHC !! and also it's new upcoming upgrade super LHC !!!...... well soon we will find some results from quantum world !!! ......
I hope u understood what I said .. it's true !! as any one if u want to .. it's awesome knowledge .. I love Quantum world .
well Split u r question by parts and ask us PLZ ... like 1,2,3....
I know u have deep desire to know answers but some questions have no answers unless we find it out through experiments like LHC !!?>?
U know my u tube like plz ask me ?? and I will watch u r part 1 and 2 don't worry ???
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I'm saying he is right and you can tell where the electron is if you relies it is in a cork screw path (now prove me wrong don't talk about quantum rubbish as if you understand it)
don't say im mad or wrong show me,and not to silly links on some one lecturing rubbish)
i will go some where else if im to thick for this comm
OH common why u r so angry ?? JUst chill .. I will answer .. don't u worry about it .. well I understood something lol ....... u r funny .hehehe
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im sorry but it seems as if some one is questioning someones god if you question some thing they beleve in,
but if i say this if i had a 5 foot bit of wood and in the middle i hammered a 6in nail so i could hold it out in front of me like a propeller,now if i put a ball on one end and spun the propeller at what point can i walk throught a 2 foot wide but 6 foot high door way ?? if i stoped the spin just as i got through the door way the ball will be 2.6in to my right where it had turned 1/4 more of its rotation but it would be in line of the wall not the slot,am i mad ??
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no 0ne got a comment,iv been on to you tube and not many went to part 2 ? i would like imput,if the electron moves in a cork screw path does it not make more sence than,what is asumed ?
if no one can coment does any one know where i should go for a debate on my idear
also why electron need to travel like corkscrew path ..?? why it need to ? .. if u r getting what i am saying then u should get patterns like .. your corkscrew path is in 3d and when it hits 2d screen then according to your theory we should except group of circles ?? small microscopic circles ?? right ....
But experiments have shown its always random ?? why ??
and what force making electron to travel in corkscrew path way ?? like ?? what ?? strong nuclear force ? weaknuclear force ??
and yeah u r smart u got a point there by choosing corkscrew path ?? but still u need to answer to the above questions and mathwmatical proof of corkscrew geometry ??
lol u need to do some math and do experiments on finding fr0sty microscopic circles ?? I named it after u r name ?? hehehhe
show every one what u believe in ??
so, your theory could be right or wrong ?? who knows ??
your corkscrew path always follows predictable path like circle on circle an electron over an electron ?? stuff like that ...
but experiments shows electrons r free but your predictable corkscrew path is a bounded electron prisoned in a path ?? why hehehe? ?
hahah I proved u wrong ?? no what ??? hahahhah .. if u can give answer to all these questions .. u can win !!
and one more thing .. u got a point about corkscrew path .. but u need to prove it .. !!!
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im sorry but it seems as if some one is questioning someones god if you question some thing they beleve in,
but if i say this if i had a 5 foot bit of wood and in the middle i hammered a 6in nail so i could hold it out in front of me like a propeller,now if i put a ball on one end and spun the propeller at what point can i walk throught a 2 foot wide but 6 foot high door way ?? if i stoped the spin just as i got through the door way the ball will be 2.6in to my right where it had turned 1/4 more of its rotation but it would be in line of the wall not the slot,am i mad ??
experiments have shown that electrons position and velocity is unpredictable but your electron path always we can predict its position and velocity ??
how on earth u can think in u r own way ??
u need to consider what other have achieved ?? think about it ?? do u r own experiments and if u will find electrons position and velocity is predictable... then u r corkscrew path is correct !!! if u will find electrons position and velocity is unpredictable .. then u r wrong .... HAHHAHAH I proved u r wrong hahahhahaahha
really U got point about corkscrew path ?? but too bad its wrong hahahh
any bright ideas .. I don't want to criticize u r u r idea about geometry of nature .. the fact is I love u r path of electron but u told me to disproof it .. then I did ??
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fr0sty
one thing i cannot get past is the fact (getting my info from youtube but :) )when it is said that light is like a wave but i get the impression (video clips that was used in reference)that it is then seen as a ripple by saying chucking a stone in a pond,but no that isn't a wave the coast has waves and they act different to ripples
The waves on the surface of water are 'surface waves', which are different from 'bulk waves' - which travel through a medium or space. The particles in surface waves actually travel in circles (up and down and forwards and backwards) so they are a combination of transverse (like electromagnetic waves) and longitudinal waves (like sound). The water below the surface also moves and the speed of the wave depends upon the depth. When the water is shallow, the waves will 'break' because the speed gets less. 'Ripples on a pond' are better behaved and look like 'normal waves' (you don't see the fact that they aren't sinewaves). When they hit the shore / coast they look different (peaky).
I strongly recommend that you find out more about conventional Science before you get too deep into Modern Physics. It is much easier to understand new ideas if you sort out the old ones first. For instance, start looking at wave theory to explain diffraction effects - you don't need corkscrewing to explain diffraction.
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one last post unless some one here is as mad as me (don't want it to be 200 years after my death)
im a bit surprised at how few seem to have even bothered looking at my video even if it is just for a lol,so all i have to say is look on the net for cloud chambers and look at the VAPORE TRAIL AND TELL ME DOES IT LOOK AS IF IT IS A CORK SCREW PATH,if no one here thinks that then i might as well take up watching crappy soaps,
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Cloud chambers are generally placed in magnetic fields. That supplies the force I asked about. They do this because the curvature of the path tells them about the mass and charge of the particles. In the absense of a field the electron travels in a straight line.
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fr0sty
i might as well take up watching crappy soaps,
I think you might as well read about some basic Physics before you launch into the more advanced stuff. Learn how to interpret the evidence you see - look at what Bored Chemist has written and follow that up.
I don't think you can quote an example of a successful leap forward in Science which wasn't made from a good sound basis of what had been done before - even the ones which turned things upside down, eventually. Learn to walk before you can run.
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with out man there is no time,
So why then, does a clock in orbit run slower than a clock on the ground?
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one last post unless some one here is as mad as me (don't want it to be 200 years after my death)
im a bit surprised at how few seem to have even bothered looking at my video even if it is just for a lol,so all i have to say is look on the net for cloud chambers and look at the VAPORE TRAIL AND TELL ME DOES IT LOOK AS IF IT IS A CORK SCREW PATH,if no one here thinks that then i might as well take up watching crappy soaps,
I know you think you have something that works. You might not be explaining it as well as a Doctor of Physics would. If you want to see some work where a Doctor of Physics predicts an electron would travel in a cork screw path, here is Dr. Geise (http://www.ag-physics.de/) who likes to think of an electron as two sub particles spinning on a common radius at the speed of light.
I like to think of the electron that way also; however I don't need to invent any new sub particles. I suspect the sub particles are simply the two half waves of the lowly photon.
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with out man there is no time,
So why then, does a clock in orbit run slower than a clock on the ground?
what is this a test for a 4 year old ?? im getting more confused a clock in orbit takes longer to do 1 full days rotation,or are you on about atomic clock ? that would have to be a video reply,but i think people need to stick to simple things first like rainbows.if i shine a projector up to the dark sky will i see any thing ?(so long as no smog or mist etc)does it mean it isn't there un till a projector screen is in place ??i state that rain bows are round not half round and if YOU LOOK not at my pic but pic of others you can see it is true(i dint want to and cannot be bothered to look for pic to prove it on the net iv seen them un less people think rainbows can fall over lol )or that there not real rainbows,wonder how many will now think or just shut off from this mad man (as for the cloud chamber NO the home made ones didn't have any magnetic field and I CAN SEE CORKSCREW TRAILS IM NOT GOING TO TAKE PIC AND POST THEM one last thing :) has a saying from a make believe crime fighter with a pipe and spy glass been use with the 2 slit explanation (iv now seen it also used with the 2012)if we don't look at gamma rays as a particle it wont kill us ?? dont get upset if im to mad im not hurting any one just showing how dumb i am
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Cloud chambers are generally placed in magnetic fields. That supplies the force I asked about. They do this because the curvature of the path tells them about the mass and charge of the particles. In the absense of a field the electron travels in a straight line.
i looked at home made cloud chambers and i think you are not looking close enough the cork screw is allmost as small as the trail (i can see it still twisting as it starts to fall)have one last look at a few and tell me im seeing things and ill go ok :)
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Fr0sty:
There ARE no 'real' rainbows. They are virtual images.
If you don't want to post pictures then you must describe the 'corkscrew trails' in a bit more detail if it is to make any sense. You write of it "starting to fall". What can that mean?
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Fr0sty:
There ARE no 'real' rainbows. They are virtual images.
If you don't want to post pictures then you must describe the 'corkscrew trails' in a bit more detail if it is to make any sense. You write of it "starting to fall". What can that mean?
please excuse asumption but 325 views (i think it counts my own visits i can be wrong :) )
my youtube counter i cannot asume how quick it keeps count
but there was a few views before io got here and now only 52,so it seems as if every one thinks they know and isnt worth there looking
when i say the cork screw vapour trail falls away just look at a you tube video and see close at the trail left by the ones that look as if gone in a strainght line,i can see the twist in the trail (i might be at bit of advantage with 42 in screen and still zoom in to it,
you say
There ARE no 'real' rainbows. They are virtual images.
please explain ? do you mean as in a mirrarge ??
what do you define as real ?that is a bit like saying there is no real pictuer comeing from my tv,lol
this virtual image as you put it do you tink it is there because of a sphere of rain can seperate light or because rain can reflect light,nothing we see is real,just light,
here is one for you IF SUN BLOCK WORKS FOR THE WRONG REASON(in this mad mans head)WHAT OTHER WAY CAN IT WORK ?
any one please reply,even for a lol on that question,
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There ARE no 'real' rainbows. They are virtual images.
please explain ?
Google it. There are hundreds of links with diagrams showing how a rainbow is formed. It's no more 'there' than the image you see in a mirror; they are both virtual images. Do some elementary, School optics and you will see the difference between real and virtual images; there is a subtle but relevant difference.
It worries me that you can have such strong opinions about deep matters involving quantum Physics and the like if you seem not to know that.
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Frosty:)
When white light meets a prism (open an old binocular and try it:) it will break up in different wavelengths.
when those 'hit' your retina your brain will translate them into different colors.
that will then be your 'rainbow'.
A drop of water on a leaf if you make a small hole will act a 'magnifying device' concentrating the light, and if I remember right you can even use it to set fire to underlying materials, just like a magnifying glass.
That experiment will show you that water acts very much like any other transparent medium.
From that it's not such a jump to guess that light when 'falling through' a raindrop can be split into different wavelengths.
Much in the same way as through that prism.
I think you will find this interesting.
http://www.sciencecentric.com/news/article.php?q=07111507
"As different component 'colours' of white light have different frequencies each individual frequency would therefore be stopped at a different stage down the taper, thereby creating the 'trapped rainbow.'"
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There ARE no 'real' rainbows. They are virtual images.
please explain ?
Google it. There are hundreds of links with diagrams showing how a rainbow is formed. It's no more 'there' than the image you see in a mirror; they are both virtual images. Do some elementary, School optics and you will see the difference between real and virtual images; there is a subtle but relevant difference.
It worries me that you can have such strong opinions about deep matters involving quantum Physics and the like if you seem not to know that.
lol it worries me that you was told a lie when u was young and still grasp that lie even now and then think you understand quantom Physics,
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Frosty:)
When white light meets a prism (open an old binocular and try it:) it will break up in different wavelengths.
when those 'hit' your retina your brain will translate them into different colors.
that will then be your 'rainbow'.
A drop of water on a leaf if you make a small hole will act a 'magnifying device' concentrating the light, and if I remember right you can even use it to set fire to underlying materials, just like a magnifying glass.
That experiment will show you that water acts very much like any other transparent medium.
From that it's not such a jump to guess that light when 'falling through' a raindrop can be split into different wavelengths.
Much in the same way as through that prism.
I think you will find this interesting.
http://www.sciencecentric.com/news/article.php?q=07111507
"As different component 'colours' of white light have different frequencies each individual frequency would therefore be stopped at a different stage down the taper, thereby creating the 'trapped rainbow.'"
lol lol lol you shown you havent looked at my videos,on my rainbow video im using a prism (got 4 out om my pair of binoculars),you hit the nail on the head about the drop of rain like a magnifying glass,but you ha vent looked at a lens proply my video has done the thinking for you ;) earths atmosphere is round ?YES NO ? the surface of the round IF IT IS ROUND, atmosphere,is same as the shape of a convex lens,YES ?? NO ?? now you can look at my video if you want iv pointed out where the convex lens splits light at the edge (come on we all know the tapering angle of the lens splits the light in to its colours)and projests a rainbow
i cannot see many peeking,in my7 pic iv sprayed rain in every direction within the bands of colour and rain stayed that colour until it passed to next band, I SEE O VIDEO ON YOURTUBE of a helicopter flying over angle falls yesterday and as it was going over the top i thought yes show me a good video of a (fallen over rainbow ie showing just the left hand side of bow top and bottom)
but it surprised me even more because as the helicopter passed over the rainbow was lying down flat in the mist and spray,the link to (just found another)is on my youtube page but dont think i will get many looking im surprised i havent been kicked yet from here :)
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what is this a test for a 4 year old ?? im getting more confused a c[lock in orbit takes longer to do 1 full days rotation,or are you on about atomic clock ?
No, it doesn't matter what type of clock it is, because it's time itself that is dilated. Because a clock in orbit is moving faster than us relative to the earth time passes slower for it (relative to our own clock). Even a clock on top of a water tower runs slower, which was one of the experiments that supported Einstein's theory of general relativity.
So time is not just a man made concept.
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what is this a test for a 4 year old ?? im getting more confused a c[lock in orbit takes longer to do 1 full days rotation,or are you on about atomic clock ?
No, it doesn't matter what type of clock it is, because it's time itself that is dilated. Because a clock in orbit is moving faster than us relative to the earth time passes slower for it (relative to our own clock). Even a clock on top of a water tower runs slower, which was one of the experiments that supported Einstein's theory of general relativity.
So time is not just a man made concept.
so let me get this right you say we have no choice in life ?that our death is pre determined no matter what we do ??
time is not us and to think it is is sad,
to not think that the way of telling time is getting distorted and not time its self is so closed minded,i watched a video of my lover who died on 24/03/08 Caroline Lee R.I.P, but did i think i went back in time ? im looking at light that was captured when she was alive (i know converted to dig then the convertion might not be same refresh rate as the real world)
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fr0sty
Could you explain to me how the formation of a rainbow is different from how I was taught? Also, where is there a lump of water up there which can act 'like a prism' and where is there a screen to project the image on?
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so let me get this right you say we have no choice in life ?that our death is pre determined no matter what we do ??
No, I am not saying what happens throughout time is predetermined, just that time flows differently for one frame of reference relative to another. If you travelled in a spaceship near to the speed of light for a few years (a few years by your calendar in the ship) then returned to earth you may find decades have passed on earth.
to not think that the way of telling time is getting distorted and not time its self is so closed minded
I'm close-minded? The reason I believe this is because of evidence, experiments have confirmed that time passes slower the closer you get to the speed of light. Do you think the scientific community just took Einsteins word for it and never questioned it? It has been rigorously tested by experiment. In fact, a GPS would not work correctly without taking this into account, because time is different for the satellites. It would indeed be interesting if time travel was possible so you could go back and let him know what a close-minded individual he is. I agree with Sophiecentaur that you need to learn to crawl before you can walk, especially if you're going to be telling people they're walking wrong.
And sorry for the loss of your lover but you're not looking at light that was captured when she was alive, you're looking at information that was captured when she was alive. But I don't see why you bring that up because I didn't say anything about records being time-travel.
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so let me get this right you say we have no choice in life ?that our death is pre determined no matter what we do ??
No, I am not saying what happens throughout time is predetermined, just that time flows differently for one frame of reference relative to another. If you travelled in a spaceship near to the speed of light for a few years (a few years by your calendar in the ship) then returned to earth you may find decades have passed on earth.
to not think that the way of telling time is getting distorted and not time its self is so closed minded
I'm close-minded? The reason I believe this is because of evidence, experiments have confirmed that time passes slower the closer you get to the speed of light. Do you think the scientific community just took Einsteins word for it and never questioned it? It has been rigorously tested by experiment. It would indeed be interesting if time travel was possible so you could go back and let him know what a close-minded individual he is. I agree with Sophiecentaur that you need to learn to crawl before you can walk, especially if you're going to be telling people they're walking wrong.
And sorry for the loss of your lover but you're not looking at light that was captured when she was alive, you're looking at information that was captured when she was alive. But I don't see why you bring that up because I didn't say anything about records being time-travel.
thanks
so lets get this straight if i put a plant under a light bulb, in a dark room and change the time the light falls on the plant,ie the length of day light and the lengh of night,does time travel happen for the plant ?
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sorry no ? no what please explain as you seem to understand time ?
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The plant won't age any slower just because you control its environment. What i'm talking about isn't time travel, just time dilation
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The plant won't age any slower just because you control its environment. What i'm talking about isn't time travel, just time dilation
im sorry i must be mad i thought that growers of plants shorten the light to sped up life cycle,or they are mad to think the plants mature sooner if they do it,but thing is they get more crops a year that way or am i telling fibs or are the growers telling fibs ?
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The plant is adapting to its environment, time is not passing faster. If you sit a clock next to the plant it isn't going to go faster or slower.
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The plant is adapting to its environment, time is not passing faster. If you sit a clock next to the plant it isn't going to go faster or slower.
see the mistake you are makeing you bring man in to the sum by putting a clock in to it,with out man time does not exsist,
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That's like saying without a microscope bacteria don't exist
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That's like saying without a microscope bacteria don't exist
lol see now i can see how you think with a reply like that lol
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So what experiment do you propose to show us where Einstein went wrong?
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So what experiment do you propose to show us where Einstein went wrong?
im still looking for a bit of thought from you your microscope and bacteria one wanst same as with out man there would be no time,with out feet there would be no shoes,now your turn,show you can think and not just repet what you have been told
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"Without man time does not exist"
A clock and a microscope are both man made instruments, through them we can measure or see things we otherwise could not. But time exists regardless of whether we measure it, a bacteria exists regardless of whether we can see it.
The laws of the universe are the way they are regardless of the existance of mankind or our ability to measure them
Are you saying it's just our clocks malfunctioning that causes the difference in time?
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"Without man time does not exist"
A clock and a microscope are both man made instruments, through them we can measure or see things we otherwise could not. But time exists regardless of whether we measure it, a bacteria exists regardless of whether we can see it.
The laws of the universe are the way they are regardless of the existance of mankind or our ability to measure them
Are you saying it's just our clocks malfunctioning that causes the difference in time?
lol see you still on microscope and bactraira ?? lets try another with out a foot ball there would be no game called foot ball,untill you can see the microscope reference is nothing
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I was "still on it" because I was under the impression you wanted me to explain.
I just realised I mixed up general and special relativity Even a clock on top of a water tower runs slower, which was one of the experiments that supported Einstein's theory of general relativity.
, it's the lower clock that runs slower because of its lower potential in a gravitational field. Gravity also effects time.
lets try another with out a foot ball there would be no game called foot ball
But if there is a football, it still exists regardless if anyone is around to play with it. A lone football floating through the universe doesn't need man to make it exist. The same way time exists whether we're around or not.
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I was "still on it" because I was under the impression you wanted me to explain.
I just realised I mixed up general and special relativity Even a clock on top of a water tower runs slower, which was one of the experiments that supported Einstein's theory of general relativity.
, it's the lower clock that runs slower because of its lower potential in a gravitational field. Gravity also effects time.
lets try another with out a foot ball there would be no game called foot ball
But if there is a football, it still exists regardless if anyone is around to play with it. A lone football floating through the universe doesn't need man to make it exist. The same way time exists whether we're around or not.
ok you win doctor who does exsist you make total sence there ok
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Frosty?
Are you 'trolling' here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)
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It's rather sad if so.
Arguing just for arguing's sake becomes fast boring .
If so, take it to another forum please.
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Frosty?
Are you 'trolling' here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)
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It's rather sad if so.
Arguing just for arguing's sake becomes fast boring .
If so, take it to another forum please.
no but if that is the brains you have here then im off i thought there might be 1 who can think here but seems not IF YOU CANNOT SEWE HOW MAD HIS REPLYS WERE AND NOT WORTHY OF REPLYING AND HE IS A HERO LOL AND YOU ARE A WHAT AND YOU THINK IM TROOLING THEN SEND ME A LINK ON WHAT IT MEANS THINK YOU ALL BETTER DELETE MY ACCOUNT AND CARRY ON IN YOUR DREAM WORLD DIDNT RELISE THIS PLACE WAS RUN BY PARROTS THAT CANNOT THINK BYEE
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My replies were mad? I was merely trying to explain to you how time is real, and that there's very good evidence for it. If you want to think scientifically you must be prepared to change your mind in the face of contradictory evidence. You will learn nothing if you just insist things must be the way you imagine they are and accept nothing that anyone else says just because its harder to understand than your own cozy way of imagining it.
AND HE IS A HERO LOL
If you are referring to how it says "Hero Member" under my username, that is automatic and based solely off my post count. I'm not trying to claim i'm a hero.
CARRY ON IN YOUR DREAM WORLD DIDNT RELISE THIS PLACE WAS RUN BY PARROTS
It seems you're the one dreaming up worlds with different laws of physics. What you intepreted as parroting was just us trying to teach you what has already been found by science that contradicts your ideas.
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i will have one last go then im off (im not saying im right about any thing)but you need to remember your gide lines lade down for the twin slit experiment)when the imposable has been removed then what ever left is right no matter how probable or is it improbable (didn't watch mush Shurlock Holmes)then to make a statement saying what relay happens is so complicated that NO MAN EVER BORNE OR TO EVER BE BORN WILL GRASP WHAT I CANNOT GRASP how mad is that to say that,is that to stop people even thinking about it ?? that sounds like mind games to me,to say that firstly you would have to understand it all to speak of it like that and the 2ND is to know every ones mind ?? is he god ??
lets go in to my mad head if any one left,
was a boy in a dark room with his new torch,shines it on the floor see a sweet on the floor under the light beam,as he goes to pic it up the torch moves off the sweet and the boy jumps up thinking where did it go ?as he stand up right and the torch falls on the sweet again,the boy thinks this time ill be quick this time the sweet wont get away from me(did he think it was a different sweet)so as he tried to get the sweet quickly,it vanished even quicker,
TO LOOK AT SOME THING ON OR IN A WAVE DO NOT USE A WAVE TO LOOK AT IT,
have a ploughed field from east to west and at the south end of the field is a gate in the middle now if i ploughed 1 line from the middle of the north edge straight down to and thorough the gate,
can not you see that is happening when you try to look at the electron,you have made a wave go across the wave in front of the slit,it has nothing to do with watching it,it is how you are watching it,
iv stoped getting replys to this topic,might pop back a few times to see if some one can think JK im as thick as they come :)
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Sorry, I have difficulties following how you think here.
Fountains are a excellent example on making rainbows.
You just have to have some sunlight and 'spray'.
You won't see it from every angle though.
But you will have to check that out for yourself:)
And calling us 'names' won't change it.
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One mark of a TROLL is that he suggests that someone should 'delete his account'. I have seen it so frequently and it always happens when they are challenged in some embarrassing detail over some nonsense statement.
Is it some sort of martyrdom they are after?
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One mark of a TROLL is that he suggests that someone should 'delete his account'. I have seen it so frequently and it always happens when they are challenged in some embarrassing detail over some nonsense statement.
Is it some sort of martyrdom they are after?
lol you are the one that cannot think up a simple example of one thing not existing so some thing else does not exist YOU COME OUT WITH BACTERIA AND A MICROSCOPE THEN TRY TO ARGUE IT ?? MICROSCOPES WERE NOT MADE BECAUSE OF BACTERIA,THEN I GIVE YOU EXAMPLES OF IF A FOOT BALL WASNT INVENTED THERE WOULD BE NO FOOT BALL (AND YOU ARGUE THAT ,HOW ??HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT THE FOOTBALL STILL EXSITS ??AND YOU CRAP ABOUT TROLL ??WHY BECAUSE IV BEEN BANNED FROM YAHOO ASK AND I DONT CARE IF I GET BANNED FROM HERE,DAMM ILL NVER SLEEP AGAIN,ONE OTHER THING IF IT WASNT FOR THINKERS YOU FOOLS WOULDNT HAVE THE WHEEL,i now relies this is also run by children who think they know it all,(ill leave you all to you simple double slit world where you know nothing and just think you know it all i see you have way to many thick people here,so i can move on,
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So what experiment do you propose to show us where Einstein went wrong?
And I think you have mixed up Sophiecentaur and I in your last post
A football team may need a football, but a football doesn't need a football team.
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One mark of a TROLL is that he suggests that someone should 'delete his account'. I have seen it so frequently and it always happens when they are challenged in some embarrassing detail over some nonsense statement.
Is it some sort of martyrdom they are after?
lol you are the one that cannot think up a simple example of one thing not existing so some thing else does not exist YOU COME OUT WITH BACTERIA AND A MICROSCOPE THEN TRY TO ARGUE IT ?? MICROSCOPES WERE NOT MADE BECAUSE OF BACTERIA,THEN I GIVE YOU EXAMPLES OF IF A FOOT BALL WASNT INVENTED THERE WOULD BE NO FOOT BALL (AND YOU ARGUE THAT ,HOW ??HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT THE FOOTBALL STILL EXSITS ??AND YOU CRAP ABOUT TROLL ??WHY BECAUSE IV BEEN BANNED FROM YAHOO ASK AND I DONT CARE IF I GET BANNED FROM HERE,DAMM ILL NVER SLEEP AGAIN,ONE OTHER THING IF IT WASNT FOR THINKERS YOU FOOLS WOULDNT HAVE THE WHEEL,i now relies this is also run by children who think they know it all,(ill leave you all to you simple double slit world where you know nothing and just think you know it all i see you have way to many thick people here,so i can move on,
With a spot of appropriate punctuation you may make yourself a bit more understandable. With a little less impoliteness you might get a better response, too.
Did you know that upper case means shouting - that is just rude and is usually the last resort of those with inadequate arguments.