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Non Life Sciences => Physics, Astronomy & Cosmology => Topic started by: jason@NeuroBirch Tech on 20/03/2015 04:37:01

Title: What did fire gain from humans?
Post by: jason@NeuroBirch Tech on 20/03/2015 04:37:01

I was just meditating beside the gas fire in my parents living room, thinking about how varying matter latches on to other to survive. The thought that arose, while staring into lively orange tendrils of flame, is what did fire get out of humans? We did not create it, just learned how to harness the uses of it.

I want this to be a collaboration of many, using all corners of the brilliant minds that are found here.

Title: Re: What did fire gain from humans?
Post by: evan_au on 20/03/2015 10:56:39

Fire is an example of thermodynamics and entropy in action - highly ordered chemical structures in wood are reduced to ash and hot, simple gases.

Fire brings us closer to the impending heat death of the universe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_death_of_the_universe).

Title: Re: What did fire gain from humans?
Post by: yor_on on 21/03/2015 18:08:07

:)

Now that is a metaphysical concept, if anything,  isn't it? You're thinking in terms of everything being connected, if I'm reading you right? Rearrangements of electrons, atoms, etc. We need temperatures to explain this universe, do temperatures need us?

Title: Re: What did fire gain from humans?
Post by: jason@NeuroBirch Tech on 21/03/2015 23:34:02

Yes along those lines and when it comes to fire, we share our oxygen supply with it. It falls in line with a pet, something that shares an aspect of our lives, while we gain something from its life.

Title: Re: What did fire gain from humans?
Post by: Colin2B on 22/03/2015 00:48:47

Quote from: jasonxNeuroBirch Tech on 21/03/2015 23:34:02

Yes along those lines and when it comes to fire, we share our oxygen supply with it. It falls in line with a pet, something that shares an aspect of our lives, while we gain something from its life.

Remember, a fire is for life not just for Christmas!
Don't have it put down just for your convenience, because you are feeling hot.
Take care of it, if it starts having hot flushes take it to the v.....? er,  ...? heating engineer? Expensive, they only do home visits.

Quote from: yor_on on 21/03/2015 18:08:07

Rearrangements of electrons, atoms, etc. ...

Mankind is fickle when it comes to pets. Ready to exchange the old faithful for the new, wolf for toy poodle! Shire horse for pony rides. Open fire for electric.
I think yor_on has something here. Electrons are like bacteria and we are providing the ideal breeding grounds, light bulbs, smart phones, computers, TVs, etc. these Petri dishes are ideal places to keep our new pets.
Forget fire, the future is Nanopets.

Title: Re: What did fire gain from humans?
Post by: evan_au on 22/03/2015 06:23:21

So how do humans help fires reproduce?

Maybe we could consider the fires that power our industry being used to produce matches and cigarette lighters, which in turn produce many more fires?

Title: Re: What did fire gain from humans?
Post by: Colin2B on 22/03/2015 08:10:24

Quote from: evan_au on 22/03/2015 06:23:21

So how do humans help fires reproduce?

Maybe we could consider the fires that power our industry being used to produce matches and cigarette lighters, which in turn produce many more fires?

Don't forget the special role of arsonists.

Title: Re: What did fire gain from humans?
Post by: yor_on on 24/03/2015 22:42:32

It might be right Jason. I don't know really, that is because we define science from local measurements. Local measurements collected, creates repeatable experiments. Repeatable experiments create physics. What you are thinking of is 'patterns', wondering if those patterns 'need each other' to exist. And I don't know. Maybe, if we ignore a arrow. Then everything exist.

Title: Re: What did fire gain from humans?
Post by: yor_on on 24/03/2015 22:52:00

the difference between 'everything existing' and consciousness' is 'free will'. As a presumption of mine, even if you have a set, there will be ways to wander. Those ways you take will represent your 'free will', if you follow how I'm thinking?

Title: Re: What did fire gain from humans?
Post by: yor_on on 24/03/2015 22:56:56

What I can say with certainty is that you can see patterns statistically, that no individual will agree to being a part of freely. It's about scales of observation to me.