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Quote from: CCconfucius on 14/02/2009 05:14:26Hey guys we cant be breaking apart like this. We are all perplexed by the same problem, we should be working together to finally reach a day when we all can say good byes with both smiles and tears on our face. It is too early for us to start separating. And we also dont have enough people and especially active people to separate like this. I was just going to suggest Girlwind, Steve D and Demografx talk through their differences during pm inorder to bring the two forums back toghter. Some things work and some things don't. And it's good to have some of that "wisdom" to know the difference.I'm excited to be part of this new forum. I see it providing an alternative to the POIS forum and an opportunity to discuss more openly some of the issues that were dismissed too quickly as "frivolous" and/or argued away as "scientifically untenable" on the other forum. My wish for all those who come here is that we have:1) An INCLUSIONARY ATTITUDE pertaining to ALL ASPECTS of the "sexual illness syndrome"--both pre-orgasmic and post-orgasmic, and anything in between. 2) A GREAT TOLERANCE for non-standard-medical thinking about answers to the above mentioned issue, not just an assumption that because someone has a lot of AMA approved initials after their name, that their word is somehow "the last word" on the subject, or qualified as "more superior" to the non-standard-medical "word." 3) SUPPORT & ENCOURAGEMENT, as well as a welcoming attitude, for those who recover using approaches that aremore holistically (non-standard-medically) oriented, and for those who are so diligently working on that. There is a place for healthy skepticism, I will acknowledge that. But too much suspicion and skepticism can be a destructive alienating force, which can prevent people from being open and willing to share their stories. So I hope we can be aware of that here. 4) ROOM FOR PERSONAL PERSPECTIVES on this issue. Because certain kinds of sex happen within "a context" of some kind of "relationship," I very much appreciate hearing about how people deal with issues that come up with their partners regarding these problems, how they negotiate them and work through them, or not.Those are my needs, and will determine if I stick around or not. It takes A LOT of time and energy for me to write up an informative intelligent post on these forums. Having serious limitations of each of the above, I don't want to waste EITHER on things that don't work for me. But I will gladly give my input (from my 30 years of experiencewith information I've gleaned facing some very challenging health issues) on what I do know and what I'm learningalong the way.So... What do you think, Steve? How does this sound to you?
Hey guys we cant be breaking apart like this. We are all perplexed by the same problem, we should be working together to finally reach a day when we all can say good byes with both smiles and tears on our face. It is too early for us to start separating. And we also dont have enough people and especially active people to separate like this. I was just going to suggest Girlwind, Steve D and Demografx talk through their differences during pm inorder to bring the two forums back toghter.
I am humbled by the eloquence and comprehensiveness of your words, and could not agree with you more.Steve D.
Quote from: SteveD on 14/02/2009 07:22:07My partner and I talked at great length tonight about our objectives and we are clear that we want to do whatever is necessary to heal my illness. I am grateful to her for her willingness. We have agreed that 'systematic observation and experiment' may help and are going to do that this week...A little science couldn't hurt.Steve D.Thanks for sharing this, Steve. Willingness for investigation is always a good thing.
My partner and I talked at great length tonight about our objectives and we are clear that we want to do whatever is necessary to heal my illness. I am grateful to her for her willingness. We have agreed that 'systematic observation and experiment' may help and are going to do that this week...A little science couldn't hurt.Steve D.
Quote from: sophiecentaur on 11/02/2009 10:58:30I wonder if it could be related to your 'technique'? There are many ways of getting to orgasm - some can be pretty traumatic and could lead to severe hangover effects.Sophiecentaur,I'm curious about which techniques you are referring to as well.SteveD.
I wonder if it could be related to your 'technique'? There are many ways of getting to orgasm - some can be pretty traumatic and could lead to severe hangover effects.
Environmental Toxins and Sexual Dysfunction:The other day I was thinking about the onset of GAD and possibly related sexual symptoms. 25 years ago I taught in a building for 3-4 years. Directly under the floor where I worked there were constant smells of skunk and other vermin. The administration sprayed on a regular basis. This lasted for the entire time I was there. Now as I recall, I periodically got drowsy and often felt extreme nervousness. This time period just happened to coincide with the onset of a serious panic/anxiety disorder and perhaps a related sexual dysfunction. I was prescribed powerful drugs by my psychiatrist at the time. In fact, it was in this building that I had an actual breakdown and had to seek help. I guess this question is for Girlwind: Do you think such exposure to these toxins (I don't know what they used) were powerful enough to cause Central Nervous System disruptions? I recall that these sprays had a terrible smell, but it didn't keep the skunks from returning in a few weeks.
Quote from: SteveD on 13/02/2009 22:44:36Quote from: sophiecentaur on 11/02/2009 10:58:30I wonder if it could be related to your 'technique'? There are many ways of getting to orgasm - some can be pretty traumatic and could lead to severe hangover effects.Sophiecentaur,I'm curious about which techniques you are referring to as well.SteveD.When couples go to their Doctor about sexual matters it often turns out that they are actually 'doing it' in very unorthodox ways. For instance, it is often thought that you need to go 'hammer and tongs' in order to achieve or give 'satisfaction'. The content of lot of Porn would seem to confirm this (so I'm told!).I was just wondering whether there may be something you could do about your problem by trying a range of alternative ways of getting and giving pleasure. It may, of course, be a problem which can't be solved in a straightforward way but I would always advise avoiding the 'big guns' of medicine until you've tried a few alternatives, yourself. Somehow, 'going to the Doctor' sets you on the 'ill' side of a line when you may not have been, initially.Sex Therapy can be viewed as a joke cliche but it certainly manages to help some people. (Never used it or sold it, I hasten to add - so this is not an advert.) Perhaps you could try - or there are acres and acres of bookshelves full of serious treatments of the topic.
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Quote from: underwater on 16/02/2009 00:55:44Environmental Toxins and Sexual Dysfunction:The other day I was thinking about the onset of GAD and possibly related sexual symptoms. 25 years ago I taught in a building for 3-4 years. Directly under the floor where I worked there were constant smells of skunk and other vermin. The administration sprayed on a regular basis. This lasted for the entire time I was there. Now as I recall, I periodically got drowsy and often felt extreme nervousness. This time period just happened to coincide with the onset of a serious panic/anxiety disorder and perhaps a related sexual dysfunction. I was prescribed powerful drugs by my psychiatrist at the time. In fact, it was in this building that I had an actual breakdown and had to seek help. I guess this question is for Girlwind: Do you think such exposure to these toxins (I don't know what they used) were powerful enough to cause Central Nervous System disruptions? I recall that these sprays had a terrible smell, but it didn't keep the skunks from returning in a few weeks.Underwater---So the answer to your question is a resounding yes... toxins can wreak total HELL on your body, espe-cially on your nervous and endocrine systems.
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Girlwind,I saw an earlier edition of this post which mentioned environmental effects. That was absolutely my experience. I spent 20 years working on my spiritual life, and stayed so focused on the 'inside job' that I did not notice I was living in an environmental sewer. Atlanta, where I lived for 25 years, has the second worst air pollution in the US. I finally looked up and saw what was going on...that's the reason I moved to San Francisco...The air!PS It's good to be posting again!Steve D.
I had to take off my long post about the details of the hell I went through after that chemical exposure.It brings back too many bad memories. So many people did NOT believe that I COULD HAVE become ill from a toxic exposure. They insisted it was all caused by DEPRESSION, and wanted to medicate me for it. The worst part is that I was so vulnerable at the time, that I almost bought into that. That is the kind of internalizing that can kill you!
I'm glad you saved yourself from their fatuous madness. Martin Luther King used to say "Sincere ignorance is the truest form of evil". Steve D.
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