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On the Lighter Side => New Theories => Topic started by: dkv on 04/10/2007 09:15:00
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In my opinion imgination means multiple prespectives.
If pictures can provide multiple prespectives then I think sound also provides the same.
If multiple prespectives can be found then we say the event (pictorial or audio ) is high on imagination.
Do you think imagination means creating mental images?
Do you think the question in insanely stupid?
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Imagination is a skill, an innate skill I might add but one that definitely improves with practise and usage.
Have you ever watched children at imaginary play? It involves a lot more than just creating mental images. All senses are involved and often to an intensity that is astonishing. Sadly though, this capacity of multi-sensory imagination seems to get 'lost' (somewhat or a lot) when we grow up.
If you manage to keep the capacity for imagination you can also develop it further. People have been able to use their imagination with meditation techniques to help them in all sorts of way - a very useful application and one worthwhile pursuing.
I've 'imagined' a (benign, thankfully) tumour dissolving and it actually went without medical interference!
I've also repeatedly 'imagined' levitating .... I've yet to succeed [;D]
Is the question insanely stupid? There are not stupid questions, only stupid answers. I hope this isn't one [B)]
{edited for horrendous spelling as I've only just discovered the spell check function - do!}
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can blue giraffe exist?
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can blue giraffe exist?
You thought about it - hence it exists
.... most definitely [;D]
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.... question is, just exactly WHERE does it exist? Now THAT'S an interesting question!
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I wonder whether this question is relevant to this forum or not.
We know that the real world is perceived through multiple senses. One is the scenic and the others are aduitory , taste , touch and smell.
When all of them come together then the reality gets defined. But who defines it ? Who brings the rationality ? The blue giraffe exists but why ?
Should we define the sixth sense as rationality ?
Or is the mind the sixth sense which makes the observations rational ....
There are people who blind and / or deaf.
There are people who irrational as well.
Irrational people cant see the reason.
But is there a reason ?
Is there a picture or sound or smell or taste or touch?
What comes first the reason or the information ?
The picture or the understanding ?
The research suggests that picture comes first.
And then there is someone who gives meaning to it.
How do we attach meanings to pictures?
We attach ourselves with the pictures... picture attracts... the dead(or the lifeless) has the power to attract. Everything is like a blue giraffe ... but attracts just like a blue giraffe ..
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Concerning the Nature of What is Real?
What is real, is it somthing tangible? As a person of reason I rule no theory out, I only question a proposed theory until it proves itself invalid. So to the question at hand what is real? First we must define real.
Real: actually existing or occuring, genuine, worthy of the description.
A scientist might say that something real is something that can be measured, observed, and predictable to repeat itself under similar conditions. Though this method is reliable with in the context it is used. Can it be what is real?
If we were to look deeper into the matter of science we could come to certain conclusions verified by science itself. Science is defined as, the study or knowledge of the physical or natural world based on observation and experiment. So we can conclude that science is the knowledge of the physical world, which itself is temporary. Science is the study of a temporary state of matter. An ever changing set of conditions that interact at the atomic level. Forms, like planets, are always changing and shifting. So science is the knowledge of a temporary state of matter and condition. Yet it is real in the sense that it is occuring and therefore exsisting, but not permanent.
So what is real in the sense that it is permanent? Is conciouseness or imagination permanent. Do thoughts or feelings exist? Is the testimony of your experience somthing real? For example if you were to be stabbed by a knife, we would observe a couple of things. One, there would be a chemical reaction of hormones in the body that would trigger the body into a different state of survival. Two, the person or operator of the body would experience this pain. Now what is real the chemical measurable reaction or the experience of the trauma by the operator of the body? As an operator of a body I would imagine that the experience would be real to me. At the same time I could not call it real because the experience is immeasurable to science and therefore does not really exist. In another example the feeling of love. Love can be felt and at the same time cant be measured. Does this mean that Love is not real? Would there be anyway for you to prove Love?
We must examine Love. Love is deep intense affection.
All of us as human being can identify with Love because we all have experienced it. We all love someone, it may be your family or friends, but we all understand love. So this being said is the experience you are having real? I can only speak for myself when I profess Love because I personally feel it. Yet I wonder if it's real, my experience?
In the current state of consiousness that we as a civilization are at, my experience would not be considered real. Science dominates and is the philosophy that we live by today. So in today's world the gathered perception is that our gathered perceptions are not real. We've convinced ourselves that we are only a set of chemical reactions and the experience is just a preset set of reactions to a particular condition. Speaking from my experience as a human being on this planet I tend to see things a little different than the current trend. I see the body as a sort of suit that me the operator masters and controls. I see my experience as limited to the things im able to sense, or percieve, with the limited sensory organs this particular suit is equipped with. My consiousness is the thought developed by the reaction to various inputs that I pick up through my senses. My inspiration or spirit is divine. The divine source of all things alive is the best I could describe as what I believe God is. When we hear that the spirit is infinate than it must be the only thing that is truly real. If there is no spirit there is no experience. If there is no one there to question what is real than can there be a real?
Just a thought, if anyone reads this enlighten me on your percepective.
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Is imagination real ?
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This is an important and a valid question for these pages.
Firstly "reality" as we all individually understand it is a mental model of our environment created by our brain and updated by our senses. It is very possible to demonstrate the limited bandwidth of these senses and the interpolation and predictive power of our mental model with various experiments.
Imagination is another and a different powerful tool to help us understand our environment and examine alternative models to help us interact with our environment but it is most definitely not real. There is however a strong temptation to actualise these mental images and ideas with our mental model of reality. Many mental illnesses are the result of not being able to distinguish properly between hard reality and our mental models of reality.
Fictional stories and myths are another important way of communicating important truths about life generated from experience and imagination. A good example of these are the parables of Jesus in the Bible. There is no need for these to be literally true for them to be useful to us. This is a literary version of imagination. One of the biggest problems with branches of ideas that deal with imagination (like religions) is the need for some people to over actualise the imagination and inside that it becomes historical reality. Sadly this can be the source of great conflict.