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Sorry Stefan but that statement is true in the sense that the general public can relate to the photographic evidence before during and after than they can to some stats published in a journal on a pay per view basis that is inaccessible to people seeking immediate help for a condition that has a surgery only option slapped on it like varicose veins.
Imagine having serious varicose veins yourself for a moment. Then reading the varicose veins thread, hearing what people are saying, seeing what people are posting and comparing those valuable pictures. Then reading about how this all began, where it is heading, all the negative reactions from people who should be sitting up and taking note but fail miserably to do so. Then exercising your right to either go for surgery or put some blocks under your bed to see what happens in 4 weeks time.
Which evidence are you going to choose? Anecdotal or surgical based evidence?
BTW I agree that a controlled study is the way forward. This online study is being closely monitored by people who are in a position to test the theory using your “controlled methods. “
But let us remember why controlled methods are in place first.
Controls are put in place to determine if there is a small chance that any particular drug is useful or not. Usually involving many people, 2-3% changes one way or another can be identifiable. If a study shows a massive improvement like ours on varicose veins, it becomes unnecessary for further continuation of the study and the application becomes mainstream.
On the other had, we have a flat bed. No controlled study has been deemed necessary for the bed you and most of the human population sleep in, so first of all may I ask why we feel that an inclined bed requires a controlled study when the flat alternative bed does not?
Considering a huge amount of the worlds population ends up on their flat death bed and add to this the many study’s that have been performed in a controlled environment to determine how the human body begins to shut down with prolonged flat bed rest and indeed head down bed rest. NASA currently offering $5,000 a month for people prepared to stay on a bed tilted what looks like 5 degrees head down just to induce the degenerative effects compared to what happens to the body in space, one begins to doubt the whole scientific principle, especially when NASA targets youngsters for the study by adding World Of Warcraft as entertainment for those unsuspecting, trusting people.
Remember I want a controlled study to take place for IBT and have been fighting for this since 1994. So please don’t think for one minute that I have not done my fair share of boot camp with this theory.
Following Chris’s Advice, I have a meeting with the Exeter and Torbay Ethics committee to iron this problem out.
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Do you have evidence to back the assertion that "So although you say this is anecdotal. It is fully repeatable!"?
"On the other had, we have a flat bed. No controlled study has been deemed necessary for the bed you and most of the human population sleep in, so first of all may I ask why we feel that an inclined bed requires a controlled study when the flat alternative bed does not?"
Against what would we test it?
If we test flat vs inclined the test is exactly the same as testing the inclined one against the flat one.
Since there's no way to do what you have suggested (testing the flat bed in isolation) I think it's reasonable not to do it.
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The evidence is happening right now in the varicose veins thread. More and more people over time will find this study and test the theory to provide even more evidence. It is fully repeatable. The science is correct relating to how density changes alter the pressure inside the vessels.
There is no other explanation for how veins improve by sleeping with your head higher than your feet at a five-degree angle. If there was it would be clearly stated and the fact that it is not stated anywhere in the literature that this will happen proves the point.
Here’s a prediction I made on another thread that require investigation.
Heart rate decreases by 10-12 beats per minute sleeping on an inclined bed at a five degree angle to the horizontal compared to sleeping on a flat bed in humans and dogs.
Respiration rate decreases by 3-5 breaths per minute under the same postural controls with both humans and dogs.
This can be determined as soon as the subject is asleep. Now this study would not require being controlled as the subjects are asleep so no possible placebo influence, especially as the subject group could be dogs, cats, or any other animal for that matter.
Very simple, zero cost observation.
Now can you tell me why no one to date as tested this? One would think this would be fascinating for people working in the medical profession and it would provide some stimulating PHD material.
WHY HAS THIS NOT BEEN INVESTIGATED? Now if scientists doctors, nurses, surgeons, anaesthetists, phd students, and the like cannot /will not test this simple fascinating contradiction to human and animal physiology , one can begin to realise why tilting the bed over a longer period to study varicose veins and oedema has not been forthcoming.
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