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Title: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: another_someone on 03/08/2006 00:27:09

Red and Grey squirrels and the pox


Firstly, while many comments are made regarding the threat grey squirrels make to their red cousins, but I assume that the converse is also true, that since the two cousins are in competition, the demise of the red squirrel is an advantage to the grey squirrel.

Secondly, if the above is true, can it be assumed that squirrel pox, which I understand causes disproportionate harm to red squirrels, actually has a symbiotic relationship with the grey squirrel?


George
Title: Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: Mjhavok on 05/08/2006 03:24:21
It's Darwinian. Grey squirral is better at surviving than red squirrel. It's not the squirrels fault. Should we try to save the red squirrel if it is the weaker species.

Perhaps it is best to try and keep every species we have on the planet as mabye the red squirel produces an enzyme that will have medical benefits or something.

Steven
Title: Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: ukmicky on 05/08/2006 03:41:40
As the grey squirrel isnt native to the uk , i say treat them as vermin and help the red to survive.
Title: Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: Mjhavok on 05/08/2006 03:58:03
That's a bit harsh.
Title: Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: cranial_implant on 05/08/2006 12:42:00
Red squirrels are a lot more cuter than grey squirrels.I think so anyway.

My head is not what it used to be.
Title: Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: another_someone on 05/08/2006 14:59:27
Native is a relative concept.

Rabbits are not native to the British isles, neither are chickens, nor any other animals that our ancestors brought here to put in the pot.  Humans are not native to the British Isles (there was once a Britain without any humans in it).

To a squirrel, what does it care where its grandparents were born – if it is born in these isles, then why is it any less native than any other squirrel born in these isles?  Would you make the same distinction between human populations that are 'native' (by some judgement of the past ancestry) to these isles?


George
Title: Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: Mjhavok on 06/08/2006 03:26:39
quote:
Originally posted by cranial_implant

Red squirrels are a lot more cuter than grey squirrels.I think so anyway.

My head is not what it used to be.


So we should just save the cute species?

Steven
Title: Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: neilep on 06/08/2006 19:57:34
I don't think Cranial_Implant was drawing any conclusions by citing that he prefers (on a cuteness scale) Red squirrels to grey ones !

I tend to agree that I think Reds are cuter than Grey (but then I love redheads anyway)

It is true of course that no species are indigenous, (like George mentions.)

in this case the Red squirrel though, is in definitive danger of extinction should the grey be allowed to encroach into it's habitat !...I for one would be really upset to see it go

Men are the same as women, just inside out !
Title: Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: another_someone on 07/08/2006 00:10:47
quote:
Originally posted by neilep
in this case the Red squirrel though, is in definitive danger of extinction should the grey be allowed to encroach into it's habitat !...I for one would be really upset to see it go


And is this sufficient reason to go around killing greys?


George
Title: Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: neilep on 07/08/2006 00:52:36
quote:
Originally posted by another_someone

quote:
Originally posted by neilep
in this case the Red squirrel though, is in definitive danger of extinction should the grey be allowed to encroach into it's habitat !...I for one would be really upset to see it go


And is this sufficient reason to go around killing greys?


George



Actually, I think so.

I think a program of humanitarian sterilization techniques could be used here.

No one (no decent animal lover for which I am one) likes the thought of killing animals...but there are are many types of ways to control the numbers of a particular species....there are many culls (some are most certainly contentious) but I think if a  ' kind ' way could be found then I see no reason why there should not be a ' save the red squirrel' program in force.





Men are the same as women, just inside out !
Title: Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: Karen W. on 07/08/2006 01:00:16
I know this is not exactly on topic, But here where i am from they hunt squirels for food! I can't stand the thought, but have been told they are good eating YUUUUCK!!!

Karen
Title: Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: neilep on 07/08/2006 01:04:08
I bet they're quite gamey !!...or...maybe they just taste like chicken...like everything else does !

Men are the same as women, just inside out !
Title: Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: Karen W. on 07/08/2006 01:23:41
I hear they are a bit like duck , greasy!

Karen
Title: Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: another_someone on 07/08/2006 01:40:11
Don't see any problem with eating squirrels  - except they wont have a lot of meat on the carcass.  If we eat cattle, pigs, etc., then why not squirrels?

Probably taste a bit like rabbit, and I don't like rabbit – maybe they taste nuttier?

Killing for food, I have no problem with.  Killing simply because something does not fit into our view of what the world order should be is another matter.

I don't consider myself an animal lover, but I don't really like the arrogant view that says we should say how the world should be, and kill anything that does not fit that model.

I am quite willing to do what is necessary for our own comfort and our own well-being, but simply remodelling the world because we think we know better does seem a bit arrogant.


George
Title: Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: Mjhavok on 07/08/2006 07:29:57
Squirrel burgers Karen? Vomitus Maximus lol.

Steven
Title: Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: Karen W. on 08/08/2006 10:31:56
Yep, I think My granmas old recipe file has a couple recipes for squirrel! YUCK! LOL THEY ARE TOO CUTE!

Karen
Title: Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: another_someone on 08/08/2006 11:45:39
quote:
Originally posted by Karen W.
Yep, I think My granmas old recipe file has a couple recipes for squirrel! YUCK! LOL THEY ARE TOO CUTE!

Karen


And rabbits are not?


George
Title: Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: neilep on 08/08/2006 12:58:14
At least the tails make for a nice duster !....or perhaps an ordormnent for a ladys hair ? [:)]

Men are the same as women, just inside out !
Title: Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: Karen W. on 08/08/2006 13:30:46
I love bunnies too! DEER TOO< all of which are edible, but i don't eat them as they are so cute and the BAMBI FACTOR does not help either!! I could eat them for the flavor is fine and I have tasted them. But by choice choose to forego them for my palate!

Karen
Title: Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: Mjhavok on 09/08/2006 08:47:14
This weeks episode of thenakedscientists is sponsored by "Granma's squirrel burgers". They're Crunchy !


Steven
Title: Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: another_someone on 09/08/2006 11:25:48
As I have said before, I am not a very visual person, in the sense that I do not have a strong emotional response to visual cues (not even to beautiful women – every other sense than visual is more evocative for me), so being visually cute does not of itself make any difference to whether I will eat you or not.


George
Title: Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: Karen W. on 10/08/2006 06:21:04
George, Thats quite funny! Poor whittle squirrel...run run little guys run!!!LOL!! Just ribbing you George! I am definitely a meat girl and if I had to, I would make due Squirrel or whatever!

Karen
Title: Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: another_someone on 10/08/2006 11:25:16
quote:
Originally posted by Karen W.
I am definitely a meat girl


But are you also tasty in the pot?[}:)][:D]


George
Title: Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: Karen W. on 10/08/2006 11:42:14
WOULDN"T YOU LIKE TO KNOW?[:D][;)]

Karen
Title: Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: Mjhavok on 10/08/2006 12:08:04
quote:
Originally posted by Karen W.

I am definitely a meat girl

Karen


Eh Rephrase?

Steven
Title: Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: moonfire on 10/08/2006 13:14:30
quote:
Originally posted by neilep

I don't think Cranial_Implant was drawing any conclusions by citing that he prefers (on a cuteness scale) Red squirrels to grey ones !

I tend to agree that I think Reds are cuter than Grey (but then I love redheads anyway)

It is true of course that no species are indigenous, (like George mentions.)

in this case the Red squirrel though, is in definitive danger of extinction should the grey be allowed to encroach into it's habitat !...I for one would be really upset to see it go

Men are the same as women, just inside out !


How in the world did I let this post get by me is unbelievable...[:D]Yep, redheads rock, don't we!  LOL  

Solution....put them on birth control...okay, maybe start a social with the greys and reds, maybe they would have beautiful lil squirrelys together????[}:)]

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: moonfire on 10/08/2006 13:15:29
quote:
Originally posted by another_someone

quote:
Originally posted by neilep
in this case the Red squirrel though, is in definitive danger of extinction should the grey be allowed to encroach into it's habitat !...I for one would be really upset to see it go


And is this sufficient reason to go around killing greys?


George



Okay, I have to go for the opposing side...SAVE THE GREYS!!!  [}:)]

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: moonfire on 10/08/2006 13:18:18
quote:
Originally posted by Karen W.

I know this is not exactly on topic, But here where i am from they hunt squirels for food! I can't stand the thought, but have been told they are good eating YUUUUCK!!!

Karen


EWWWW!  LOL  L'orange squirrel....oh, forgot they are red...(sorry, one of the grey ones has me held hostage with an acorn and made me type this...maybe we should kill off these mean, greys...ssshhhh, don't tell him I said that, I could be knocked unconscious by an acorn.

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: moonfire on 10/08/2006 13:20:03
quote:
Originally posted by Mjhavok

This weeks episode of thenakedscientists is sponsored by "Granma's squirrel burgers". They're Crunchy !


Steven


Pretty funny Steven!  Definitely, advertising is your forte![;)]

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: moonfire on 10/08/2006 13:21:28
quote:
Originally posted by Karen W.

WOULDN"T YOU LIKE TO KNOW?[:D][;)]

Karen


Pardon me, but Karen, are you feeling a bit squirrely....are you a redhead too?[:o)]

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: Karen W. on 11/08/2006 09:31:04
What am I missing Steven rephrase to what?

Karen
Title: Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: neilep on 11/08/2006 12:23:48
What Karen means is that she loves to eat meat !! and that she is not a veggie !!..at least that's what I am sure she means !!

I mean cheack these out out !!



Ahhhhhh !!!!....for me the REDS Win every single time...
....even George told me in this secret email he sent me

"Hi Neil...I love Red Squirrels so much that I dress up as one and hang about collecting acorns, climbing oak trees and wagging my tail.  Grey squirrel's are meany-poos and should be shrunk and painted red "

...see ?...that sounds just like George doesn't it ?

Well...I'm convinced !! [;)]

(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv286%2Fneilneil%2Fred_squirrel_1024.jpg&hash=1ef1aa37cbc75605ed513c5a75289e9a)(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fv286%2Fneilneil%2Fgrey-squirrel-eating.jpg&hash=bd31eab5ec676e999c8a08d9a5792d8b)

Men are the same as women, just inside out !
Title: Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: another_someone on 11/08/2006 12:54:48
Na – just look at those pictures – cant you see the grey looks so much more thoughtful and intelligent – the red is just a little show off [:)]

Anyway, my hair was never red, and is now definitely grey – and I don't want to be shot.


George
Title: Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: Mjhavok on 11/08/2006 13:02:48
quote:
Originally posted by Karen W.

What am I missing Steven rephrase to what?

Karen


Just some immature humour. Not saying anymore till I speak to my lawyer.

Steven
Title: Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: Karen W. on 11/08/2006 17:02:30
Ok.... I guess I am a bit behind on humor sometimes as it tends to go over my head for the most part!!
  What Neil said, It is in fact the truth that I am definitely not a vegetarian and really do love meat, Kind of a meat and potato type girl, although Califlower and Broccoli with hot cheese sauce is wonderful!!! I do love vegetables also....Geesh, who am I kidding I love good food!!!!! Can't help myself.....LOL Thanks Neil!

Karen
Title: Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: another_someone on 11/08/2006 19:32:10
I suspect Steven's reference was:

http://www.londonslang.com/db/m/
quote:

meat and two veg - a slang expression for a mans 'equipment'.


http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=meat
quote:

1.     meat     

            1) The male sex organ
            2) A substitution for any other noun verb or adjective

            1)Who wants to see my meat?
            2)Hey you little meat you just meated all over my meat!

2. meat

             1) Muscle used for food.
             2) A phallus.
             1) That meat sure looks appetizing!
             2) That meat sure looks appetizing!

3. meat

              A man's penis.
              When in heat, beat your meat.



I make no comment except to quote sources.


George
Title: Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: cranial_implant on 11/08/2006 21:49:03
the red squirell gets my vote.

My head is not what it used to be.
Title: Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: moonfire on 12/08/2006 03:33:21
Choices, choices, choices...all over a tree rodent!

"Lo" Loretta
Title: Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: Mjhavok on 12/08/2006 18:32:26
lol George.
Title: Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: neilep on 12/08/2006 19:27:42
I like meat too !!.....................DOH !!!

Men are the same as women, just inside out !
Title: Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: Karen W. on 12/08/2006 19:59:41
Hmmmmmmmmmm me too!! Nice big juicy piece of Steak good stuff!!!!!

Karen
Title: Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: Mjhavok on 14/08/2006 00:28:21
mmm Bacon.


Steven

___________________________________________________________

In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Title: Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: another_someone on 14/08/2006 00:55:53
quote:
Originally posted by Mjhavok
mmm Bacon.


Is that Francis Bacon?[:D]


George
Title: Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: neilep on 14/08/2006 19:59:45
Hmmm Francis Bacon, Chicken & Advocado sandwich ..hmmmmmmmm !!! [:)]


Men are the same as women, just inside out !
Title: Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: Mjhavok on 14/08/2006 22:07:34
It's the crispy wonderfully tasty bacon. No first name.


Steven
_______________________________________________________________
In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Title: Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: syhprum on 24/08/2006 12:00:36
I am in favour off not interfering with evolution let it take its course, If the 'greens' had been around 65 million years ago we would still be knee deep in dinosaurs.
Title: Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: syhprum on 24/08/2006 12:00:36
I am in favour off not interfering with evolution let it take its course, If the 'greens' had been around 65 million years ago we would still be knee deep in dinosaurs.
Title: Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: Mjhavok on 24/08/2006 21:24:51
What has this got to do with bacon. lol.

-Steven
Title: Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: syhprum on 24/08/2006 12:00:36
I am in favour off not interfering with evolution let it take its course, If the 'greens' had been around 65 million years ago we would still be knee deep in dinosaurs.
Title: Re: Red and Grey squirrels and the pox
Post by: Mjhavok on 24/08/2006 21:24:51
What has this got to do with bacon. lol.

-Steven

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