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General Discussion & Feedback => Just Chat! => Topic started by: ukmicky on 30/03/2008 18:12:55
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Could be a dangerous subject this.
But as it would be hard for anyone to prove the writtings in the bible are based on facts why cant the catholic church or any other religion be charged with obtaining money or services through deception.
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Wow... Very good question..
But obtaining what money? Don't the money go to like charities, or in making the church better?
And its optional for the people to give money, it's not like a membership money to go to church..
But a very good question!
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You would need to prove that the officials of the church knew it was deception. We can't jail them for being deluded.
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Wow... Very good question..
But obtaining what money? Don't the money go to like charities, or in making the church better?
And its optional for the people to give money, it's not like a membership money to go to church..
But a very good question!
No not all of it ,i believe its been reported that the catholic church is the richest organisation in the world
You would need to prove that the officials of the church knew it was deception. We can't jail them for being deluded.
Ignorance is not a legal defence
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Religion always causes trouble as far as I'm concerned, with the exception of Buddhism.
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Religion always causes trouble as far as I'm concerned, with the exception of Budism.
The same is true of Buddhism
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So basically if i set my self up as a religion i can claim whatever i want and cant be done for fraud :)
The church of Michael dosent cause any trouble so if you wish to send me your money all donations will be welcome
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So basically if i set my self up as a religion i can claim whatever i want and cant be done for fraud :)
The church of Michael dosent cause any trouble so if you wish to send me your money all donations will be welcome
LOL but the act of you setting up a new religion is sort of a fraud..
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Because the money they get is donated. It's a technical detail.
When you perform a play, you have to pay rights on it.. if you ask your audience for donations only, you do not *have* to pay rights..
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Because the money they get is donated. It's a technical detail.
When you perform a play, you have to pay rights on it.. if you ask your audience for donations only, you do not *have* to pay rights..
yup yup yup.. So you can't sue them for deception?
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Many people don't think they are being deceived...
http://richarddawkins.net/article,2402,n,n
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Because the money they get is donated. It's a technical detail.
When you perform a play, you have to pay rights on it.. if you ask your audience for donations only, you do not *have* to pay rights..
yup yup yup.. So you can't sue them for deception?
Thank you for clearing that up. On the basis of your statement i would like to file new charges Fraud
How about that one [:)]
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Ermm..
www.dictionary.com
FRAUD
–noun 1. deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, perpetrated for profit or to gain some unfair or dishonest advantage.
2. a particular instance of such deceit or trickery: mail fraud; election frauds.
3. any deception, trickery, or humbug: That diet book is a fraud and a waste of time.
4. a person who makes deceitful pretenses; sham; poseur.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_controversy#The_legitimacy_of_Scientology_as_a_religion
While the often-cited rumor that Hubbard made a bar bet with Robert A. Heinlein that he could start a cult is likely an embellishment, many witnesses have reported Hubbard making statements in their presence that starting a religion would be a good way to make money.
Editor Sam Merwin, for example, recalled a meeting: "I always knew he was exceedingly anxious to hit big money—he used to say he thought the best way to do it would be to start a cult." (December 1946)[59] Writer and publisher Lloyd Arthur Eshbach reported Hubbard saying "I'd like to start a religion. That's where the money is." Writer Theodore Sturgeon reported that Hubbard made a similar statement at the Los Angeles Science Fantasy Society. Likewise, writer Sam Moskowitz reported in an affidavit that during a Eastern Science Fiction Association meeting on November 11, 1948, Hubbard had said "You don't get rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich, you start a religion."[60] Milton A. Rothman also reported to his son Tony Rothman that he heard Hubbard make exactly that claim at a science fiction convention.[citation needed] In 1998, an A&E documentary titled "Inside Scientology" shows Lyle Stuart reporting that Hubbard stated repeatedly that to make money, "you start a religion."
According to The Visual Encyclopedia of Science Fiction, ed. Brian Ash, Harmony Books, 1977:
" . . .[Hubbard] began making statements to the effect that any writer who really wished to make money should stop writing and develop [a] religion, or devise a new psychiatric method. Harlan Ellison's version (Time Out, UK, No 332) is that Hubbard is reputed to have told [John W.] Campbell, "I'm going to invent a religion that's going to make me a fortune. I'm tired of writing for a penny a word." Sam Moskowitz, a chronicler of science fiction, has reported that he himself heard Hubbard make a similar statement, but there is no first-hand evidence."
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"Ignorance is not a legal defence"
Ignorance of the law is no excuse, but simply being to dumb to know what's going on in the world can be. It's usually called something like "diminished responsibillity".