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The fat lady sang here a long time ago, and it was gravity that held her down. There is higher pressure under her than over her, so she would be forced upwards if there was no gravity. The error has been explained here in multiple ways and by many people. It's now down/up (is there such a thing) to Gazza to take that on board, or to go on ignoring it. There may be points beyond which some people cannot learn (most likely due to beliefs which they aren't prepared to question), and all attempts to help out may simply be futile as a result. If Gazza genuinely wants to understand this though, he ought to write some computer code to simulate the application of his theory, and then he'll see what happens if a force of gravity is left out. His theory will quickly dissipate along with his air pressure.
Quote from: David Cooper on 18/05/2015 00:00:09The fat lady sang here a long time ago, and it was gravity that held her down. There is higher pressure under her than over her, so she would be forced upwards if there was no gravity. The error has been explained here in multiple ways and by many people. It's now down/up (is there such a thing) to Gazza to take that on board, or to go on ignoring it. There may be points beyond which some people cannot learn (most likely due to beliefs which they aren't prepared to question), and all attempts to help out may simply be futile as a result. If Gazza genuinely wants to understand this though, he ought to write some computer code to simulate the application of his theory, and then he'll see what happens if a force of gravity is left out. His theory will quickly dissipate along with his air pressure.There is no presently universal up or down, up and down are arbitrary use the same as left and right. That is why the brilliance of Mr Einstein give us XYZ, arbitrary but genius.The real up and down definition on a spacial scale, is expand or contract space-time. You jump up in the air you are expanding the space time between you and the Earth.Gravity has elastic properties, fire an arrow into the air vertically, the arrow cuts through the air as the air has little density. Gravity elasticity CBMR coupling to the arrow from the ground acts like an elastic band and slows down the arrow, the arrow then starts to twang back to the ground.I experiment all the time with gravity, I am a carp angler, note not a carp fisherman. I use critical balancing in my presentation. I can make a sinking 5 oz object hit the bottom with practically no force. I can use vectors and hit a dust bin at 100 yrds with my bait.
Yes.Great.When I go for a number 2,it drops into the toilet.This is all elementary the boxson,but if you froze water and removed the air,would it float or sink in the water,just like ur body when you expel the air out ur lungs,your slightly heavier that water but not much.hmm-you weigh how much?beacause the composition of humans is mostly water with 20% carbon and and 2-3% of other things.If a pin has a million molecules init and 5 oz object has a billion,buoyancy of gases/liquids/solids comes into play-don't forget all elements do different things at different temperatures,so on earths surface it might do one thing,but on a different planet/environment it will do soething different.
Quote from: gazza711 on 18/05/2015 20:52:11Yes.Great.When I go for a number 2,it drops into the toilet.This is all elementary the boxson,but if you froze water and removed the air,would it float or sink in the water,just like ur body when you expel the air out ur lungs,your slightly heavier that water but not much.hmm-you weigh how much?beacause the composition of humans is mostly water with 20% carbon and and 2-3% of other things.If a pin has a million molecules init and 5 oz object has a billion,buoyancy of gases/liquids/solids comes into play-don't forget all elements do different things at different temperatures,so on earths surface it might do one thing,but on a different planet/environment it will do soething different.Dude, smoke rises, there is no air pressure forcing the smoke to the floor. Air rises, we do not become lighter, face the facts , you are talking rubbish mate, at least find something with a good logical argument
Quote from: Thebox on 18/05/2015 21:08:27Quote from: gazza711 on 18/05/2015 20:52:11Yes.Great.When I go for a number 2,it drops into the toilet.This is all elementary the boxson,but if you froze water and removed the air,would it float or sink in the water,just like ur body when you expel the air out ur lungs,your slightly heavier that water but not much.hmm-you weigh how much?beacause the composition of humans is mostly water with 20% carbon and and 2-3% of other things.If a pin has a million molecules init and 5 oz object has a billion,buoyancy of gases/liquids/solids comes into play-don't forget all elements do different things at different temperatures,so on earths surface it might do one thing,but on a different planet/environment it will do soething different.Dude, smoke rises, there is no air pressure forcing the smoke to the floor. Air rises, we do not become lighter, face the facts , you are talking rubbish mate, at least find something with a good logical argumentThis is my arguement.heated air rises.what smoke do you mean?most smoke has water vapour and is hot.urm.is there water pressure in rubber duck submerged under water.pressure is how many molecules within a given space.This is a logical argument because you can't define what you see!
Quote from: gazza711 on 18/05/2015 22:00:53[quote author=Thebox link=topic=57344.msg458768#msg458768Yes.Great.When I go for a number 2,it drops into the toilet.This is all elementary the boxson,but if you froze water and removed the air,would it float or sink in the water,just like ur body when you expel the air out ur lungs,your slightly heavier that water but not much.hmm-you weigh how much?beacause the composition of humans is mostly water with 20% carbon and and 2-3% of other things.If a pin has a million molecules init and 5 oz object has a billion,buoyancy of gases/liquids/solids comes into play-don't forget all elements do different things at different temperatures,so on earths surface it might do one thing,but on a different planet/environment it will do soething different.Dude, smoke rises, there is no air pressure forcing the smoke to the floor. Air rises, we do not become lighter, face the facts , you are talking rubbish mate, at least find something with a good logical argument
[quote author=Thebox link=topic=57344.msg458768#msg458768Yes.Great.When I go for a number 2,it drops into the toilet.This is all elementary the boxson,but if you froze water and removed the air,would it float or sink in the water,just like ur body when you expel the air out ur lungs,your slightly heavier that water but not much.hmm-you weigh how much?beacause the composition of humans is mostly water with 20% carbon and and 2-3% of other things.If a pin has a million molecules init and 5 oz object has a billion,buoyancy of gases/liquids/solids comes into play-don't forget all elements do different things at different temperatures,so on earths surface it might do one thing,but on a different planet/environment it will do soething different.
When I say air, that covers all of the gases on earth.We don't understand how viscous air is,but water acts the same way as "air".Theres a scientist call erik verlinde who explains this more scientificly and a bundle of other people that say a similar thing.Im mearly stating that the "air"in "total weight" is heavier than anything on earth.It itself in under pressure from space,so in turn is trying to balance out with space,but I believe the helium layer is a radioactive barrier stopping this possibly or contribute.if you put aninflated balloon in a vacuum,it will rise.hmm.#youtube.its simple to me.earth is neutral and always will be.statics in general has a "low limit" of use and couldn't lift a rock let alone attract like a magnet has an obvious positive and negative.
Quote from: gazza711 on 19/05/2015 19:38:58When I say air, that covers all of the gases on earth.We don't understand how viscous air is,but water acts the same way as "air".Theres a scientist call erik verlinde who explains this more scientificly and a bundle of other people that say a similar thing.Im mearly stating that the "air"in "total weight" is heavier than anything on earth.It itself in under pressure from space,so in turn is trying to balance out with space,but I believe the helium layer is a radioactive barrier stopping this possibly or contribute.if you put aninflated balloon in a vacuum,it will rise.hmm.#youtube.its simple to me.earth is neutral and always will be.statics in general has a "low limit" of use and couldn't lift a rock let alone attract like a magnet has an obvious positive and negative.You are not considering density, air is not dense, and neither is any other gas compared to a brick or ourselves. We can easily displace air . Air simply does not have the density to push us down to the floor. If you were in space where there is no air, the earth still pulls you ''down'' back to Earth. No air pressure and gravity still has effect. Your logic is terrible.
im a chef and not remotely interested in any posts on here.
Quote from: Thebox on 19/05/2015 19:51:30Quote from: gazza711 on 19/05/2015 19:38:58When I say air, that covers all of the gases on earth.We don't understand how viscous air is,but water acts the same way as "air".Theres a scientist call erik verlinde who explains this more scientificly and a bundle of other people that say a similar thing.Im mearly stating that the "air"in "total weight" is heavier than anything on earth.It itself in under pressure from space,so in turn is trying to balance out with space,but I believe the helium layer is a radioactive barrier stopping this possibly or contribute.if you put aninflated balloon in a vacuum,it will rise.hmm.#youtube.its simple to me.earth is neutral and always will be.statics in general has a "low limit" of use and couldn't lift a rock let alone attract like a magnet has an obvious positive and negative.You are not considering density, air is not dense, and neither is any other gas compared to a brick or ourselves. We can easily displace air . Air simply does not have the density to push us down to the floor. If you were in space where there is no air, the earth still pulls you ''down'' back to Earth. No air pressure and gravity still has effect. Your logic is terrible.youre only pulled to the earth within its outer spheres.when you blow a balloon up,its takes longer to fall.when you deflate it it falls straight to the ground.how can a hot air balloon lift a ton.how do you explain the anti gravity wheel.#youtube.when youre in space and dead still,earth aint gonna pull you towards it.no proof.unless your within its atmosphere.cavendish experiment still not explained anyone?how can you explain an example of two objects attracting.why does the moon cause waves.i say the moon is only attracted to the sodium in the water as its own atmosphere is sodium confirming the moon has a high content of sodium.Logic is what im using.ur using text book.im not even educated in any field of science.im a chef and not remotely interested in any posts on here.why am I 1 of few including erik verlinde that thinks this.einstein opposed newtons equation and used his own.string theory and many more accepted.mine is called compact theory.just read centrifugal forces lighter(less dense)gases to outside of sphere and so fourth.when we swim,we cant go down to low because of the weight of water on us.if heavy things don't go up or remain still,gravitation is what It is.
Quote from: gazza711 on 19/05/2015 21:18:21Quote from: Thebox on 19/05/2015 19:51:30Quote from: gazza711 on 19/05/2015 19:38:58When I say air, that covers all of the gases on earth.We don't understand how viscous air is,but water acts the same way as "air".Theres a scientist call erik verlinde who explains this more scientificly and a bundle of other people that say a similar thing.Im mearly stating that the "air"in "total weight" is heavier than anything on earth.It itself in under pressure from space,so in turn is trying to balance out with space,but I believe the helium layer is a radioactive barrier stopping this possibly or contribute.if you put aninflated balloon in a vacuum,it will rise.hmm.#youtube.its simple to me.earth is neutral and always will be.statics in general has a "low limit" of use and couldn't lift a rock let alone attract like a magnet has an obvious positive and negative.You are not considering density, air is not dense, and neither is any other gas compared to a brick or ourselves. We can easily displace air . Air simply does not have the density to push us down to the floor. If you were in space where there is no air, the earth still pulls you ''down'' back to Earth. No air pressure and gravity still has effect. Your logic is terrible.youre only pulled to the earth within its outer spheres.when you blow a balloon up,its takes longer to fall.when you deflate it it falls straight to the ground.how can a hot air balloon lift a ton.how do you explain the anti gravity wheel.#youtube.when youre in space and dead still,earth aint gonna pull you towards it.no proof.unless your within its atmosphere.cavendish experiment still not explained anyone?how can you explain an example of two objects attracting.why does the moon cause waves.i say the moon is only attracted to the sodium in the water as its own atmosphere is sodium confirming the moon has a high content of sodium.Logic is what im using.ur using text book.im not even educated in any field of science.im a chef and not remotely interested in any posts on here.why am I 1 of few including erik verlinde that thinks this.einstein opposed newtons equation and used his own.string theory and many more accepted.mine is called compact theory.just read centrifugal forces lighter(less dense)gases to outside of sphere and so fourth.when we swim,we cant go down to low because of the weight of water on us.if heavy things don't go up or remain still,gravitation is what It is. Do you not realise that I am probably the most said ''troll'' on the entire internet forums of science? You think I am educated in science and text books?I am not educated, I am telling you straight that I have covered your idea already , I give science holy hell, I even produce maths of my own. From a nobody to a nobody science wise, your logic is flawed . I am a painter and decorator. I understand you probably really hate your job, and would love that one big idea, me too, but this is not an idea that has a starting premise for argument.Gravity mechanism is what you seek, and air pressure is not it. The mechanism of gravity is atomic level based for a certainty. If you insist on air, then you need to break air down to an atomic level and start there. The up and down of air I feel is related to gravity but not gravity itself.
okay.why does a helium balloon sink in a helium environment?why would a bag of cement blow away without water or stay put with water.because your increasing the density.by changing the atomic density,like oxygen,then surely more molecules of the same would float.like increase the content on helium in a larger area and it will lift a human hard enough to crush it from force.reverse that idea.taa daa.the characteristics of a floating human walking upside down on their ceiling is the same as well.the pressure of the gas-less vacuum of space is exerting on the earth and so forth.....
Ok.were getting somewhere.look up "air in space" on youtube and you will see a similar experiment with air in a water bubble in microgravity on some sort of spacestation.
Yes he did mention gravity. There goes his theory.
Quote from: jeffreyH on 24/05/2015 01:08:02Yes he did mention gravity. There goes his theory.According to his theory, if you put an object in a box and pump in high pressure air, the object should get heavier.Pressure of gasses at different temperatures etc has been one of the most experimented topics of physics, it is even done as basic school experiments so an odd effects related to gravity would have been noticed.You are dealing with a closed mind, so you'll never convince him. Even The Box recognises this theory is wrong. I'm out of this discussion.
pump in high pressure air?i have never once indicated pressurized air.
why do they use nitrogen in lifting struts?
I believe in everything u guys do.closed mind?no.
if I showed you and proved the world wrong-who would have the closed mind?