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On the Lighter Side => New Theories => Topic started by: vikram_gupta11 on 23/09/2016 16:32:40

Title: Deep space propulsion tech using spring force and kinetic energy
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on 23/09/2016 16:32:40
There will be no need of on-board propellant in this technology (Zero Fuel Technology). this technology will be 100 time or more faster ,light weight and low cost than plasma and ionic propulsion technologies.
MECHANISM:There will be two part of this engine.

The first part will move freely in a cylindrical tube but second part will be stable.
Two motors will be fixed in this engine as per the diagram. The (1) motor will work to press the first part towards the front side while (2) motor will work to press the second part towards backside. Two lever system will be attached with each motor.These levers will work to press their side springs when both motors will move.
There will be Pull Back system attached in the first part of this engine. This pull back system will work to get back the first part of this engine on its position with the help of a motor and electromagnets. Two magnetic brackets will be attached with first part as per the diagram and springs of first part's will be attached with a magnetic system. This engine will get energy with solar panels.

HOW WILL THIS ENGINE WORK?

When both lever systems will work to press their side springs then a kinetic force will create on both springs.
when the (1) lever will press the spring of first part then the spring get stretch due to pressure and at a point of pressure this part will be detached with its side magnets and will move towards front side due to kinetic force. But in second part of the device when (2) lever will press the spring towards backside then spring will work to push this device towards front side after removing lever pressure.

In this way both parts of this device will help to push forward this device. The magnetic bracket will work to catch this first part so that this part couldn't move with back force, otherwise this engine will move towards backside due to back force.

The pull back system will work to attach this first part with the help of electromagnets.The first part will be detached with magnetic brackets when pull back system will work on this part with electromagnets then the springs of this part will be attached with their side magnets again and pull back system will be detached.

BOTH LEVERS WILL WORK AT THE SAME TIME WITH EQUAL FORCE IN THIS ENGINE.

The first part of this device will get back its position again and both parts' levers systems will be ready to work on their side springs again and again.




The first part will move freely in a cylindrical tube but second part will be stable.
Two motors will be fixed in this engine as per the diagram. The (1) motor will work to press the first part towards the front side while (2) motor will work to press the second part towards backside. Two lever system will be attached with each motor.These levers will work to press their side springs when both motors will move.
There will be Pull Back system attached in the first part of this engine. This pull back system will work to get back the first part of this engine on its position with the help of a motor and electromagnets. Two magnetic brackets will be attached with first part as per the diagram and springs of first part's will be attached with a magnetic system. This engine will get energy with solar panels.

HOW WILL THIS ENGINE WORK?

When both lever systems will work to press their side springs then a kinetic force will create on both springs.
when the (1) lever will press the spring of first part then the spring get stretch due to pressure and at a point of pressure this part will be detached with its side magnets and will move towards front side due to kinetic force. But in second part of the device when (2) lever will press the spring towards backside then spring will work to push this device towards front side after removing lever pressure.

In this way both parts of this device will help to push forward this device. The magnetic bracket will work to catch this first part so that this part couldn't move with back force, otherwise this engine will move towards backside due to back force.

The pull back system will work to attach this first part with the help of electromagnets.The first part will be detached with magnetic brackets when pull back system will work on this part with electromagnets then the springs of this part will be attached with their side magnets again and pull back system will be detached.

BOTH LEVERS WILL WORK AT THE SAME TIME WITH EQUAL FORCE IN THIS ENGINE.

The first part of this device will get back its position again and both parts' levers systems will be ready to work on their side springs again and again.

In this way this engine will work. This will be a radical step for deep space missions. There will be no need of on-board propellant in this technology (Zero Fuel Technology).
Title: Re: Deep space propulsion tech using spring force and kinetic energy
Post by: chiralSPO on 23/09/2016 22:32:33
Interesting idea, but predictions based on Newtonian (or any classical) mechanics would not expect the ship to move anywhere. Do you accept conservation of momentum as a fundamental law of physics, or are you proposing a new theory of motion?
Title: Re: Deep space propulsion tech using spring force and kinetic energy
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on 25/09/2016 03:40:36
This is not violating any law of physics  and it will work  and you can do experiment also to know the feasibility of this Idea . I have done some experiment and and convinced that this Idea will work .I would also like to now that if this engine works on the Earth then will it work in space also?

Please tell me.

vikram
Title: Re: Deep space propulsion tech using spring force and kinetic energy
Post by: chiralSPO on 25/09/2016 16:30:26
Newton's 3rd law predicts that your engine will provide no net acceleration in space.

It might work on the ground, if it is set up in such a way that it pushes against the ground (I am imagining action similar to an inchworm), but there is nothing to push against in space, which is why we have resorted to using propellants.
Title: Re: Deep space propulsion tech using spring force and kinetic energy
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on 26/09/2016 18:21:30
if two similar and opposite forces are applying on a object at same time then there is no need of any medium or ground to propel it.
Title: Re: Deep space propulsion tech using spring force and kinetic energy
Post by: chiralSPO on 26/09/2016 22:09:21
Newton discusses "equal and opposite" not "similar and opposite"...

If there are two equal and opposite forces on one object, it will not accelerate.
Title: Re: Deep space propulsion tech using spring force and kinetic energy
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on 27/09/2016 08:16:15
 you are right but if you read carefully then found that both forces are working to push the engine only in one direction to propel the engine.at first both forces will work to prepare a ground or a medium but when the springs will be released then this device will move only in one direction as both forces are working only in one direction.
Title: Re: Deep space propulsion tech using spring force and kinetic energy
Post by: chiralSPO on 27/09/2016 18:26:14
both forces are working only in one direction.

this is where the failure is equal and *opposite* (or "opposing") forces. as far as we know it is impossible to have unopposed force.
Title: Re: Deep space propulsion tech using spring force and kinetic energy
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on 28/09/2016 06:55:28
 Dear Sir,

just do a simple experiment .Take a Rubber band and try to stretched it with your hands and it will be stretched .Now take the help of an another person to catch this stretched rubber band in middle with the help of fingers .now release the right part of the rubber band but remember the left part of the rubber band must not be released( still in stretched position)  only released the right part .when you will release the right part of the rubber band then the person will feel a propelling force working on pushing his fingers in left direction of stretched rubber band.
this is very simple and it will take only a few seconds to understand this concept completely.   
Title: Re: Deep space propulsion tech using spring force and kinetic energy
Post by: chiralSPO on 28/09/2016 14:42:21
Dear Sir,

just do a simple experiment .Take a Rubber band and try to stretched it with your hands and it will be stretched .Now take the help of an another person to catch this stretched rubber band in middle with the help of fingers .now release the right part of the rubber band but remember the left part of the rubber band must not be released( still in stretched position)  only released the right part .when you will release the right part of the rubber band then the person will feel a propelling force working on pushing his fingers in left direction of stretched rubber band.
this is very simple and it will take only a few seconds to understand this concept completely.   

I understand this, and I believe that it illustrates my own point: This experiment requires someone to apply a force to the rubber band, and the rubber band pulls back (opposes the force). If both right and left ends of the rubber band were released simultaneously, and the whole system were perfectly symmetrical, the person holding the band in the middle would feel no force (until the band snapped against their fingers!) It is only because the left side is being acted upon and the right side let go that there is an uneven force experienced by the hand in the middle. But the hand holding the left side of the band experiences a force to the right that is the same as the force pulling the right (middle) to the left. No?
Title: Re: Deep space propulsion tech using spring force and kinetic energy
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on 29/09/2016 07:56:53
dear Sir,
you have taken it in wrong direction as the person will feel force .
Title: Re: Deep space propulsion tech using spring force and kinetic energy
Post by: chiralSPO on 29/09/2016 13:26:26
Both persons will feel force. (in opposite directions!)
Title: Re: Deep space propulsion tech using spring force and kinetic energy
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on 30/09/2016 02:37:00
Dear sir,
both person will not feel force in opposite direction and remember we are applying force from inside in this engine not from outside.
Title: Re: Deep space propulsion tech using spring force and kinetic energy
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on 02/10/2016 19:30:43
suppose a person is standing up on a roller skate applying equal force with both hands to stretch the springs and these springs are attached with this skate . the roller skate is stable but when thIs person release ONLY the right hand side sprIng then the roller skate should move or not.REMEMBER PERSON IS RELEASING ONLY RIGHT SIDE SPRING BUT LEFT SIDE SPRING IS STILL IN STRETCHED POSITION. what will be happened ? THIS ENGINE WILL MOVE.