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On the Lighter Side => Complementary Medicine => Topic started by: NobodySavedMe on 16/02/2009 22:18:34
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Saving Jade Goody - Not Private Ryan.
As you have heard the world famous celebrity Jade Goody has been confirmed as having terminal cancer as was stated on the news.She is only 27 years old.
She was on Big Brother and many tv shows and was and is a very popular celebrity
adored by the masses.
I was devastated to hear she is dying.She has 2 children.She is only 27 years old.
Last night I cried and cried as I saw how she had been ravaged by cancer and chemo therapy which did not work, as usual.
I could not sleep all last night.
Her long beautiful hair is all gone and she is bald due to the terrible toxic poisons the doctors fed her with their fake promises.
I am very upset and I implore you, all you people who have knowledge of alternative cancer therapies to urgently contact her and save her please.
She can be contacted directly or through her agent Max Clifford.She must be advised
that there is hope and a possibility of living beyond the 27 years she has lived.
I urge you alternative cancer remedy experts to hurry as she has only a few months left to live.
This is a chance for you to shine and for you to save somebody famous who could then help you.
Last but not least please paray for her tonight in your parayers.
Please hurry.Time is of the essence.
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Is this really the subject you should be addressing with the moronic views you hold?
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And why would Ms Goody be any more deserving than the thousands of other cancer patients worldwide?
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Last night I cried and cried as I saw how she had been ravaged by cancer and chemo therapy which did not work, as usual.
Her long beautiful hair is all gone and she is bald due to the terrible toxic poisons the doctors fed her with their fake promises.
Cervical cancer can be treated using surgery, radiotherapy, chemotherapy, or a combination of these.
The form of treatment that is used will depend on the stage of the cancer and whether it has spread at the time of diagnosis.
Early-stage cancer that is confined to the cervix, offers an excellent outlook, with a success rate of over 85%.
However, if the cancer has spread to the vagina, surrounding tissues and pelvic area, or elsewhere, the outlook is less positive.
http://www.nhs.uk (http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Cancer-of-the-cervix/Pages/Treatment.aspx?url=Pages/what-is-it.aspx)
Re: female celebrities with cancer, Kylie Minogue (http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-wellbeing/features/dee-standley-my-battle-with-cervical-cancer-1623693.html) is looking well after her chemotherapy for breast cancer:
evidently the hair loss due to chemotherapy is reversible.
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Who the heck is Jade Goody? [???]
Honestly, I've never heard of her!
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Who the heck is Jade Goody? [???]
Honestly, I've never heard of her!
You're not alone. I had never heard of her until that B****Y Big Brother crap. So far as I can make out, she is a celebrity nobody, with a big foul mouth.
I'm sorry she has terminal cancer, but then I would feel the same for anyone in her position.
I have no wish to know the ins' & outs' of the remainder of her life. Doubtless the media will ensure that I can't turn on the TV or radio or open a newspaper without being subjected to a barage of information on her demise.
What about Mrs Smith of Anytown, who faces the same sad situation, will no reporter bother with her story?
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Jeez, so that's what all the fuss is about. [::)][::)]
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I with you all above - It's a real shame when anyone gets cancer, nobody deserves it. But what's so special about her? I was actually going to include this as a part of the media hype thread.
She is not a celebrity in my view, even less any sort of bastian for cancer. She "deserves" no more than anyone else in her situation would receive, which, it has to be said, is probably the best cancer care there is anywhere in the world.
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And now we've got ads of her at the bottom of the page....******
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What is ******?
I can't think of a bad word that fits [???]
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What is ******?
I can't think of a bad word that fits [???]
It was merely to show general distaste.
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I urge you alternative cancer remedy experts to hurry as she has only a few months left to live.
If there was one in the world, why would they be hanging around here for?
They'll be lighting their cigars with one hundred dollar bills somewhere in the Carribean.
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There's one aspect to this that worries me, and that's Max Clifford. He's so good at his job that it warps the world around his clients, and blurs the line between reality and PR spin. There was an excellent Louis Theroux doc about him some time ago.
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Last night I cried and cried as I saw how she had been ravaged by cancer and chemo therapy which did not work, as usual.
Her long beautiful hair is all gone and she is bald due to the terrible toxic poisons the doctors fed her with their fake promises.
Cervical cancer can be treated using surgery, radiotherapy, chemotherapy, or a combination of these.
The form of treatment that is used will depend on the stage of the cancer and whether it has spread at the time of diagnosis.
Early-stage cancer that is confined to the cervix, offers an excellent outlook, with a success rate of over 85%.
However, if the cancer has spread to the vagina, surrounding tissues and pelvic area, or elsewhere, the outlook is less positive.
http://www.nhs.uk (http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Cancer-of-the-cervix/Pages/Treatment.aspx?url=Pages/what-is-it.aspx)
Re: female celebrities with cancer, Kylie Minogue (http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-wellbeing/features/dee-standley-my-battle-with-cervical-cancer-1623693.html) is looking well after her chemotherapy for breast cancer:
evidently the hair loss due to chemotherapy is reversible.
This is not about Kylie Minogue but since you insist on dragging her into it , I regret to inform you that in my estimation she unfortunately only has 3 years left before it comes back even more vigrously.
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And why would Ms Goody be any more deserving than the thousands of other cancer patients worldwide?
The death of 1 said Winston is a tragedy.The death of a million is a statistic.
She is more deserving as we know her.We have seen her on Big Brother, We have heard her talk, laugh, joke.We have seen her playing pranks and talking to other people.She has spoken directly to us looking at the camera.She is a source of inspiration how a small town girl can make it big.
We know her.She has been a part of our lives.
She is a human being.She deserves to live and is a mother to two small children.
I remember using up all my annual leave at work so I could watch her all day.After my annual leave was finished,I phoned in pretending to be ill so I could further partake of her.
I am very upset at the jibes being made against her by ignorant people.
We should all be helping her.
She has had a terrible life.Her father left her.Her mother had all sorts of difficulties.
Once again I urge all decent people to help her.
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I remember using up all my annual leave at work so I could watch her all day.After my annual leave was finished,I phoned in pretending to be ill so I could further partake of her.
I would think that anyone knowing you, would believe you are ill.
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The death of 1 said Winston is a tragedy. The death of a million is a statistic.
..but also a million individual tragedies.
She is more deserving as we know her.
I don’t. I’ve no idea who she is beyond yet another so-called celebrity.
We have seen her on Big Brother, We have heard her talk, laugh, joke. We have seen her playing pranks and talking to other people. She has spoken directly to us looking at the camera. She is a source of inspiration how a small town girl can make it big.
I haven’t. The only time have did ever see her on TV she came across as an idiot who had no more intelligence than the arse end of a piece of road kill, and she wasn’t quite a pretty either.
Also, this does not mean that you know her any more than you know any other person who appears regularly on TV. You are merely deluding yourself because you have made her into some sort of personal heroin.
We know her. She has been a part of our lives.
No she hasn’t.
She is a human being. She deserves to live and is a mother to two small children.
Not many people “deserve” to die. The fact that she is a mother of two small children is irrelevant.
I remember using up all my annual leave at work so I could watch her all day. After my annual leave was finished, I phoned in pretending to be ill so I could further partake of her.
You poor, sad, lonely individual. All you achieved here is to cause other people annoyance through your own lack of conscience.
I am very upset at the jibes being made against her by ignorant people.
Which ignorant people? All those who don’t agree with you?
We should all be helping her.
No we shouldn’t. It is down to her own family and her future husband to help her. This has nothing to do with you.
She has had a terrible life. Her father left her. Her mother had all sorts of difficulties.
And? There is nothing unique to her about this either. It’s called life. Though yours seems to be passing you by……
I would just like to reiterate that I think that it is a terrible thing to have cancer – we all know people who have had it, some have recovered fully from it, and others who haven’t. It is also perhaps worse when it happens to someone as young as 27. But the fact that a person has what some consider to be an elevated status, provides absolutely no reason why any greater efforts should be made. Every day, thousands of people are treated for cancer, and are treated to the very highest levels of medical care that are currently possible. Everyone is entitled to this. Nobodysavedme, you should be glad that this is the case – if (and I hope that this isn’t ever the case) you one day find that you have cancer, by your own opinion, those who “succeed” should be offered greater care. How will they treat someone who spent their entire holiday and sick leave watching Big Brother?
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This is not about Kylie Minogue but since you insist on dragging her into it , I regret to inform you that in my estimation she unfortunately only has 3 years left before it comes back even more vigrously.
Even if your pessimistic prognosis is true, her chemotherapy would have given her extra years of life which she would not have had otherwise, (well worth a few months of hair loss).
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I read in this morning's paper, always a source of reliable information ;-) that since Jade's story was publicised, the take up rate for cervical cancer screening has risen considerably.
So far as I can judge (and I have't made much of a study) this is the most useful thing she has ever done. I hope that she can derive some comfort from it in her last months.
Incidentally I think the BB show is dross but I don't particulary care that other people are happy to watch it and, indirectly, pay for it.
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I remember using up all my annual leave at work so I could watch her all day.After my annual leave was finished,I phoned in pretending to be ill so I could further partake of her.
I would think that anyone knowing you, would believe you are ill.
From her start in Big Brother, I really liked her, and felt really, really bad when she got picked on in the house. I don't think she meant to come across as racist but showing as having normal conversation as we all do everyday. She did go to the India Big Brother house where she was adored.
I am heartbroken that she is going to leave us and her two sons. The fact that she is allowing people to share in her tragedy shows what a remarkable person that she has become. She is not only thinking of her sons future, but of others going through what she is going through.
She deserves to be recognized for her efforts. She is brave, albeit scared, as I think she fears leaving her boys, more than death. She has a shining personality, and the world is going to be a little bit sad with her gone. She has made an impact without even trying.
My thoughts and prayers are with her and her family.
Many nasty remarks have been made here by jealous people who have nothing positive to contribute but hate and are simply driven by envy of her money and fame.
You should be ashamed.
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When my brother was dying of cancer aged 34 he was very, very scared of death and pain and the treatments and well everything. At the time Roy Castle, the very underrated celeb, was also dying of cancer. He was brave and dignified and fought the disease until he died. My brother took strength from him and the way he coped with the disease.
I don't care how Jade Goody became famous. If she helps one person like Roy Castle helped my brother then I will support her forever. No one has any right to criticise the people in god's waiting room. No one has the right to criticise the treatment decisions of these people either but at the same time no one should give people false hope with treatment they know won't work and won't prolong life. My brother had chemotherapy even though he knew it would only prolong his life and not save it. He had two children and he wanted to see the next birthday and then Easter.
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Many nasty remarks have been made here by jealous people who have nothing positive to contribute but hate and are simply driven by envy of her money and fame.
You should be ashamed.
I don't think anyone is envious of her, her money or fame. They just don't see her as the celebrity that you do, she has not touched our lives or become part of it. Yes, it is sad that she has terminal cancer but she is not the only one. Why have you not thought to post a topic asking for a cure before? Why single one person out?
I don't care how Jade Goody became famous. If she helps one person like Roy Castle helped my brother then I will support her forever.
She did it through a publicist, not to help others but to make money. Don't you think she charged each and every news organisation, for each and every interview? She did it for the money, not the greater good.
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Paul you can be a real Dick sometimes!
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Paul you can be a real Dick sometimes!
Curious, you are not the first to say that...!
Look, I am not having a go at anyone or trying to be an arse but if you ask anyone...oh heck, lets leave it there.
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You used your annual leave from work to sit at home and watch this woman on big brother???
Seriously, WTF?
You need help
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Paul I think you better had. Sometimes it is a good idea to insert your brain before typing.
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But what would i have to type if i went around doing that?
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You might be a little more sensitive.
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Come on Guys. NobodySavedMe's grief is obviously real and if it's real it's valid.
When I worked for the Samaritans we sometimes had people phoning who were absolutely distraught following an occurrence that most people would find trivial. But if you have enough sh1t in your life it eventually builds up into a mountain. I once talked to someone who tried to kill herself after she dropped her dinner on the floor. But of course that wasn't the real reason. It was just the catalyst. The final straw. She saw the dropped dinner as the ultimate confirmation of her inadequacy. Her confidence had been chipped away by a relentless stream of low level sh1t which altered her perspective on the significance of everyday things. Her grief over the spilt dinner was devastatingly real and almost cost her her life.
No one knows whats happening in someone's head so you can't begin to understand the context of peoples grief. None of us are qualified to sit in judgement of NobodySavedMe. It may be that cancer has a particular significance for him.
Your responses are inappropriate. Your comments should be less about support for Jade Goody and more about your support for one of our fellow bloggers.
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NobodySavedMe wants a cure. Not support.
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Why are there two of the same post?
You're right, I don't understand at all.
So she is just another "no Briton's were on board" to me.
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Many nasty remarks have been made here by jealous people who have nothing positive to contribute but hate and are simply driven by envy of her money and fame.
You should be ashamed.
I don't think anyone is envious of her, her money or fame. They just don't see her as the celebrity that you do, she has not touched our lives or become part of it. Yes, it is sad that she has terminal cancer but she is not the only one. Why have you not thought to post a topic asking for a cure before? Why single one person out?
I don't care how Jade Goody became famous. If she helps one person like Roy Castle helped my brother then I will support her forever.
She did it through a publicist, not to help others but to make money. Don't you think she charged each and every news organisation, for each and every interview? She did it for the money, not the greater good.
Some of you people don't understand at all.
Look when a plane crashes the newscaster states 160 people were killed, "no Briton's were on board",or no Americans were on board.This allows us to dismiss the incident as 1) We don't know who these people are,2) We never saw them,3) We don't know them,they are strangers, we don't know their culture, we don't want to know either, in other words they don't exist in our conscienceless for more than a transient second.
Now contrast this with the plane which landed in the Hudson river,in America a few weeks and no one was killed.The news programs spend a full 12 minutes on that"tragedy"out of a 25 minute long news program.
That week at least a full 5 hours was devoted to the survivors on the news.
Interviews were done with the survivors,their relatives,the plane crew were hailed as hero's.they were showing over and over again how the survivors got out and there was massive publicity on the radio,the TV,the papers.Even though nobody died.
The following week the publicity was less but 2 weeks later again massive publicity was given with video footage of the plane landing on the river.Again everyone was interviewed after it was confirmed birds had gone into the engines.
The plane survivors were real people.We know their names,their faces, we know that one was a hockey player, another one was a a student going to see his mother in Seattle, another one was going to a convention.In other words we saw these people as real cogent,alive people.
We saw their faces,We saw them as real people.
It is true thousands of other people have cancer but they are not real as we don't know them.We have never met them,or seen their faces, or are familiar with their pain or hopes, dreams,aspirations.They are not part of our world view.They are complete strangers.
The human mind cannot imagine more than 6 or 7 distinct points at the same time as Koestler proved.
In the same way Jade Goody is alive, real to us,she is part of our lives as she has been on TV for many 1000's of hours,she is on the radio,the TV,the papers,the magazines.She cannot be dismissed.She is more real than real.She is a part of our lives.She is a part of our world shaping reality and as such is more important as evidenced by the massive attention being given to her as a result of our huge interest in her.
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She cannot be dismissed.She is more real than real.She is a part of our lives.
Until you can realise that this is not true, there is not point continuing this discussion.
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I am possibly in a unique position to respond in this thread as I too have terminal cancer and only a few months to live. I've never been a fan of Jade Goody and consider her a talentless article who got where she is for no discernible reason. I do, though, sympathise with her plight; but no more so than with anyone else in the same situation. Just because she is a celebrity whose face I know I don't think I owe her more sympathy than anyone else with terminal cancer.
Paul is right to point out that she is milking every last ounce of publicity out of her condition. Why? Because she wants to ensure her children's future? She already has enough money for that. The truth is she is a fanatical self-publicist. Were she not, she would never have entered Big Brother in the 1st place.
I also agree with MakeItLady who said that if Ms Goody is responsible for saving just 1 life then what she is doing is worthwhile. I did an interview on BBC Radio 5 last Saturday evening and afterwards someone phoned the show to say that he was going to make some changes in his life as a result of things I'd said. That pleased me because just changing 1 person's life for the better is worthwhile.
So, love Jade Goody or hate her, she is in a sad situation; but no worse a situation than thousands of others. To try to portray her as some kind of goddess is warped. She is a human being - no more, no less.
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Is there anywhere that I can find that interview?
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Don't they have an audio bank of something? I could not find one [:(]
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C4M - Go to http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/podcasts/nolan/ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/podcasts/nolan/) and look for the Nolan: Jade Goody Monday 16th February 2009 entry. You can download the podcast from there. My bit is right at the end. It's an edited version (about half the length) of the original that was broadcast on BBC Radio Ulster a couple of days after I did the interview.
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Ok, thanks, I'll have a look.
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How can you look at a podcast? (https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbestsmileys.com%2Fclueless%2F1.gif&hash=ba6e884e2ac18d739c0e89967c82862b)
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Okay, I'm listening to your right now [:)]
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I am possibly in a unique position to respond in this thread as I too have terminal cancer and only a few months to live. I've never been a fan of Jade Goody and consider her a talentless article who got where she is for no discernible reason. I do, though, sympathise with her plight; but no more so than with anyone else in the same situation. Just because she is a celebrity whose face I know I don't think I owe her more sympathy than anyone else with terminal cancer.
Paul is right to point out that she is milking every last ounce of publicity out of her condition. Why? Because she wants to ensure her children's future? She already has enough money for that. The truth is she is a fanatical self-publicist. Were she not, she would never have entered Big Brother in the 1st place.
I also agree with MakeItLady who said that if Ms Goody is responsible for saving just 1 life then what she is doing is worthwhile. I did an interview on BBC Radio 5 last Saturday evening and afterwards someone phoned the show to say that he was going to make some changes in his life as a result of things I'd said. That pleased me because just changing 1 person's life for the better is worthwhile.
So, love Jade Goody or hate her, she is in a sad situation; but no worse a situation than thousands of others. To try to portray her as some kind of goddess is warped. She is a human being - no more, no less.
I am very sorry to hear you have terminal cancer.
In any case Jade Goody is not talentless .She has made more money then you or me and shows she has hidden smarts.She is a national icon now and we must support her.
Her wedding is very soon.
Paray that she makes it through the wedding.I will be taking the day of work to paray for her.
She has show remarkable courage in coming out and showing her condition publicly.
She even showed that she was bald,thanks to the horrible doctors giving her money making poisons to boost the profits of fruadulent pharmaceutical companies who charge it to the NHS budget.
I find it lamentable that you Doctor Beaver have failed to save yourself and took chemo which did not work and have failed to act on numerous other methods to cure cancer in your own body.
You are a living monument,sadly to be no more,to the power of brainwashing by the organized pharmaceutical establishment.
By the way can you guess why my user name is NobodySavedMe?
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I find it lamentable that you Doctor Beaver have failed to save yourself and took chemo which did not work and have failed to act on numerous other methods to cure cancer in your own body.
What? He said he decided to forego chemotherapy because it was not very effective on his type of cancer.
So it's his own fault he can't recover from cancer because he's failed to save himself? WTF?
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She has made more money then you or me...
Are you sure of that?
...and shows she has hidden smarts.
A good publicist (Max Clifford), you mean. Without him she would still be a nobody.
I find it lamentable that you Doctor Beaver have failed to save yourself and took chemo which did not work and have failed to act on numerous other methods to cure cancer in your own body.
You are a living monument,sadly to be no more,to the power of brainwashing by the organized pharmaceutical establishment.
I haven't failed to save myself yet because I am still alive. I have declined chemo because it is largely ineffective against the type of cancer I have and would serve only to make me feel worse. I am looking at numerous alternative therapies and I can assure you (and if you knew me you would already know this) that I have in no way been brainwashed.
Incidentally, I have more talent in my little finger than Ms Goody has in her entire body. I am a qualified piano teacher, acheived grade 7 on guitar, can play numerous other instruments to a fairly high standard, was a professional musician for years, did much session work and have released 3 solo albums. Please do not make such brash statements without first establishing the credentials of the person you are attempting to denegrate.
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You obviously have been brainwashed DoctorBeaver as you believe it is the cancer killing you, when it is actually the organized pharmaceutical establishment!
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You obviously have been brainwashed DoctorBeaver as you believe it is the cancer killing you, when it is actually the organized pharmaceutical establishment!
Oh, of course. Why didn't I see that long ago. How silly of me. By not taking the drugs I'm displaying how badly they have brainwashed me and succumbing to their evil plan to rid the world of me!
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Hmm, seems to me the principle learning point from the whole miserable business is that people don't stop being themselves just because they've got a terminal illness. Never having had the slightest interest in Ms Goody hitherto, I'm shooting in the dark a bit here, but my impression of her (gleaned mainly from BBC Radio 4 news bulletins), both previously and at present, is that she's got little or no natural reticence (which is fine, but I wouldn't want to have to have anything to do with her) and her current wretched situation hasn't changed that. I am, however, mildly intrigued by her decision to be so public with her current trials.
She's always exploited the media to be where she wants to be (in the public eye, apparently, no accounting for people...) and she's still doing it. Her motives in wanting to provide the maximum financial support for her kids are admirable, and I see no reason not to take them at face value, although I do rather doubt her judgement on this one.
My father (who was 16 when his dad died of smoking-related illnesses) told my sister and me (both in our early teens at the time, so at least 25 years after the event) that if he ever thought we'd taken to smoking he'd tell us, in detail, about our grandfather's death, I find the whole thing a bit mystifying. Even saying that much to us clearly distressed him significantly.. I really don't think that if I were a teenager growing up without a mum, as her kids will be in a few years time, I'd want to be confronted with the current coverage the first time I plugged my mother's name into google (or whatever the top search engine is by that point - which they inevitably will at some point). On the other hand, she's their mum, she wants to do what's best for them, and maybe if they're her kids it won't have the same effect on them as it would have done on me.
And... NobodySavedMe... you may be a sincere paranoid lunatic, you may be a paranoid lunatic genuinely distressed by the inevitable demise of Ms Goody/Mrs Tweed, but you are still a paranoid lunatic and you still need to get a grip and accept that the pharmaceutical companies, whilst they may not always be 100% scrupulous really are not actively out to kill people. Nor are the doctors who prescribe these drugs. (Sorry John Chapman and MakeItLady, but have you read any of NSM's other posts? This isn't just about Goody.)
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So you are saying that my husband, who works for Shire Pharmaceuticals, is responsible for killing Dr Beaver.
Ask all the women who were able to take a cancer drug instead of having their breast removed if the pharmaceutical industry is a bad thing. Ask people who have had an operation and had no ill effects from the anesthetic if Diprovan is a terrible drug. I mention the last two because I worked on them. When I was working on them I wasn't rubbing my hands together shouting " this will kill some more sickly bastards" I was thinking "This is such a great drug, lets make it even better."
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Hi Rosy
Yes I have read some of NobodySavedMe's other posts, although not until after I had posted my comments above. I'm the new boy here, so I don't want to swim against the tide of popular opinion. But I've always believed that if a person is feeling genuine grief then it needs to be treated appropriately. It doesn't matter if it is misguided or even delusional. Grief is grief. If your grief is undermined by everybody else then you cannot share it. If you are continually having to justify your grief then this changes the perspective from which you see it and that stops you coming to terms with it.
By the way, should I not ask why his username is NobodySavedMe?
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By the way, should I not ask why his username is NobodySavedMe?
NobodySavedMe = Jade Goody [???][???][???]
Were you on Big Brother NobodySavedMe?
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She has made more money then you or me...
Are you sure of that?
...and shows she has hidden smarts.{/quote]
A good publicist (Max Clifford), you mean. Without him she would still be a nobody.
I find it lamentable that you Doctor Beaver have failed to save yourself and took chemo which did not work and have failed to act on numerous other methods to cure cancer in your own body.
You are a living monument,sadly to be no more,to the power of brainwashing by the organized pharmaceutical establishment.
I haven't failed to save myself yet because I am still alive. I have declined chemo because it is largely ineffective against the type of cancer I have and would serve only to make me feel worse. I am looking at numerous alternative therapies and I can assure you (and if you knew me you would already know this) that I have in no way been brainwashed.
Incidentally, I have more talent in my little finger than Ms Goody has in her entire body. I am a qualified piano teacher, acheived grade 7 on guitar, can play numerous other instruments to a fairly high standard, was a professional musician for years, did much session work and have released 3 solo albums. Please do not make such brash statements without first establishing the credentials of the person you are attempting to denegrate.
Denergrate?
i was expressing remorse at your self confessed expected demise.yet you abuse me.why?
maybe you feel better being part of the majority group and ganging up on me.if it make you feel better please continue.
quote :-"i have declined chemo because it is largely ineffective against the type of cancer I have and would serve only to make me feel worse".
you never mentioned this in your last post.are we expected to guess your previous actions?
ok so you have made more money then jade goody so why rub shoulders with us commoners?
Why are you not out playing golf and counting your gold bars with the ex-boss of hbos and the other banking robbers?
Cancer survival rates are hugely fraudulent.Just are just like the accounts of HBOS and other banks were when Lloyds took them over.Full of manipulation designed to hide the truth.
The terrible thing about cancer survival rates is that they have stayed the same yet the figures have been manipulated to show "improvement".
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you never mentioned this in your last post.are we expected to guess your previous actions?
He's not expecting anyone to guess anything, if you read his other thread or asked perhaps he would have told you. You assumed:
I find it lamentable that you Doctor Beaver have failed to save yourself and took chemo which did not work and have failed to act on numerous other methods to cure cancer in your own body.
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i was expressing remorse at your self confessed expected demise.yet you abuse me.why?
So, you call this remorse:
I find it lamentable that you Doctor Beaver have failed to save yourself and took chemo which did not work and have failed to act on numerous other methods to cure cancer in your own body.
You are a living monument,sadly to be no more,to the power of brainwashing by the organized pharmaceutical establishment
Your way of showing remorse is to tell him its his own fault he's dieing of cancer, that he could have avoided it, and finally accuse him of being brainwashed?
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Come on Nobodysavedme, My husband works for a pharma company and I used to. Here is your chance to have a go at the research I did and the drugs my husband licenses from universities and research companies for his company. I notice you didn't answer my previous post. It is easy to criticise a big faceless organisation but when you are talking to a real person who worked hard to improve peoples lives, it is not so easy, is it.
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Come on Nobodysavedme, My husband works for a pharma company and I used to. Here is your chance to have a go at the research I did and the drugs my husband licenses from universities and research companies for his company. I notice you didn't answer my previous post. It is easy to criticise a big faceless organisation but when you are talking to a real person who worked hard to improve peoples lives, it is not so easy, is it.
ACTUALLY I NEVER MENTIONED ANESTHETICS.
Nor did i say they were bad.Anesthetics are good.
Happy now?
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ACTUALLY I NEVER MENTIONED ANESTHETICS.
Nor did i say they were bad.Anesthetics are good.
Happy now?
You do realise that you are, in fact, the only one to have mentioned them don't you?
That's not even a straw man argument; it's just nonsense.
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ACTUALLY I NEVER MENTIONED ANESTHETICS.
Nor did i say they were bad.Anesthetics are good.
Happy now?
You do realise that you are, in fact, the only one to have mentioned them don't you?
That's not even a straw man argument; it's just nonsense.
i quote MakeItlady again...
"Ask people who have had an operation and had no ill effects from the anesthetic if Diprovan is a terrible drug. I mention the last two because I worked on them..."
SCROLL BACK TO HER POSTS.
why i she mentioning anthestics?
why?
i never mentioned anethestics.
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NobodySavedMe - My apologies. I thought I read in your post that you were inferring Jade Goody had more talent than I & it was at that statement I directed my response. Have you perchance edited your post to remove it?
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Sorry about that I'm blaming the search function which didn't find the word.
Anyway, there's nothing special about anaesthetics. You seem to be convinced that all drugs are an atempt by evil pharmaceuticals companies to poison innocent people.
"She even showed that she was bald,thanks to the horrible doctors giving her money making poisons to boost the profits of fruadulent pharmaceutical companies who charge it to the NHS budget."
"You are a living monument,sadly to be no more,to the power of brainwashing by the organized pharmaceutical establishment."
BTW, Jade made a lot more money than me; so have lots of lottery winners. Is "guessing the right numbers" some sort of skill?
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Sorry about that I'm blaming the search function which didn't find the word.
Anyway, there's nothing special about anaesthetics. You seem to be convinced that all drugs are an atempt by evil pharmaceuticals companies to poison innocent people.
"She even showed that she was bald,thanks to the horrible doctors giving her money making poisons to boost the profits of fruadulent pharmaceutical companies who charge it to the NHS budget."
"You are a living monument,sadly to be no more,to the power of brainwashing by the organized pharmaceutical establishment."
BTW, Jade made a lot more money than me; so have lots of lottery winners. Is "guessing the right numbers" some sort of skill?
Jade Goody got married yesterday.I am so happy for her.200 celebrities attended her fantastic wedding.She had to be given painkillers before the wedding showing her steely determination and showing her determination against all odds.
The fact is the official cancer survival rates are fraudulent ...just like the accounts of the banks that have gone under...they are designed to hide the truth,
to hoodwink you,to trick you.Remember how Lloyds Bank was tricked by HBOS.
Hbos cleverly concealed at $15 billion hole in its accounts which Lloyds even after a month could not detect using its smartest accountants.
Big Pharma uses even more clever tricks to fool you.
Of course you don't want to admit you have been fooled.
example:-
in 1980 gullible joe has cancer detected at 06/06/80.he dies on 301280.
you got that?
20 years later new technology has improved cancer detection at an earlier stage.
in year 2000 gullible joe's son has same cancer detected earlier on on 01/01/00.he dies on 30/12/00.
doctors says with glee we have doubled cancer survival rates due to this drug (i.e.money making toxic poison) we gave you.
gullible joe's gullible son is delighted and praises the doctors at the extra 6 months!
doctor says to himself "one born every minute..what a mug".
can you understand that?
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I'm pleased for Jade Goody that she managed to get married, but what's the big deal about 200 celebrities turning up for the wedding? I'd rather have a handful of real friends there who actually care more about me than they do about getting their faces plastered all over the redtop newspapers & on TV.
And despite the sentiment behind your little story about Joe Gullible, the fact is that more people are now surviving cancer for longer than was the case just a few decades ago. My nan died of cancer in the 1960s and in those days just about any type of cancer was a death sentence. Cancer still has that kind of stigma attached to it in the public mind (Most people, when told they have cancer, still have an initial reaction of "I'm going to die") even though survival rates for a lot of cancers are significantly better. (Incidentally, my first thought was "I can get through this" before I was told what type of cancer I've got. I still believe all is not lost even though the prognosis for mesothelioma is very poor.)
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"Of course you don't want to admit you have been fooled."
I don't have any problem admiting that I have been fooled plenty of times in the past (and perhaps more often than my fair share).
I also accept that I will be fooled in the future in all reasonable probablity.
What I don't see is any evidence that I have been fooled in this instance.
All I have is a plainly made up story; one that grossly misrepresents (or misunderstands)the whole idea of drug trials and slanders the medical profession as well.
I may have asked this before; what do NICE do and why don't they spot these "clever tricks"?
http://www.nice.org.uk/
Incidentally I'd be quite happy for Jade or Dr Beaver to beat the odds; I wish them both luck.
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Thank you, BC.
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Why have you not mentioned saving Wendy Richard?
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I have not a clue who this 'Jane' is - BB play no part in my life.
However, I do care for people with cancer - we lost an uncle, cousin and friend to it back in 2006 and almost lost my dad to it last year.
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Why have you not mentioned saving Wendy Richard?
She's already dead, dude.
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I know that. I was just wondering why NSM was not bothered about finding a cure for her, or anyone else for that matter.
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I'm bothered and so are most people researching into cures. Cures bring in more money than failures.
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Where exactly did you get the notion that chemo does not work. Do you realise how may people are living today because of the advancments in chemo therapy. You speak without any knowledge of the subject, how do I know that?? Well if you WERE well informed you would not post such rubbisb. Please also tell me why is Jady Goody more deserving to live than anyone else. [::)]
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Well JEH, I dare say this thread has already done it's dash [:)]
But please, I am interested in your thoughts about chemotherapy.
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Why have you not mentioned saving Wendy Richard?
She's already dead, dude.
Perhaps a touch more tactful and considerate next time?
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Why do you consider this to be tactless and inconsiderate, Ben? She is already dead. It's a fact. I was merely stating it.
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I think it may be the "dude" that makes it sound like an uncaring remark - I'm sure you meant no offense though.
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Nobody - get a life of your own and stop living vicariously on those of cheap one-time celebrities,
btw - it was Stalin who offered that quote - not Winston (assume you meant Churchill).
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I have not a clue who this 'Jane' is - BB play no part in my life.
However, I do care for people with cancer - we lost an uncle, cousin and friend to it back in 2006 and almost lost my dad to it last year.
Jade has only a few days of life left to her according to the news.The powerful painkillers made her have hullucinations and this was the reason she was shouting the other day.
She will be in a hospice for a few days due to the damage cuaes by the painkillers
ALL OF YOU HAVE BEEN VERY SELFISH AND FAILED TO SAVE HER AND WENT ON ABOUT HER FAME AND FORTUNE.
All you could talk about was about other people who had cancer.
Yes we know.
But we don't see them.We don't know them.
If you had saved Jade Goody AUTOMATICALLY they would have been saved too from her cure due to the Jade Goody effect.
Can you not see that?
So by failing to save Jade Goody you have failed to save the others compounding your sin.
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What absolute bollocks. (Tact & discretion suspended temporarily)
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I tried to write 'bollocks' in one of my threads and the Forum script wouldn't let me. It'll be interesting to see if it lets me now. Also censored is 'sh*t' which comes out as ' sh1t ' and 'w*nker' comes out as ' [:I] '. Has anybody else discovered any words that are automatically censored or am I just uncouth?
Have you noticed how I am trying to steer the conversation in a slightly different direction? Or am I just being a [:I]?
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"Yes we know.
But we don't see them.We don't know them."
Is that the royal we?
I don't know Jade and I don't think that I ever will. I didn't see her much either.
A much more improtant problem is that there's just no way that we could have saved Jade so writing "ALL OF YOU HAVE BEEN VERY SELFISH AND FAILED TO SAVE HER AND WENT ON ABOUT HER FAME AND FORTUNE."
is just silly.
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ACTUALLY I NEVER MENTIONED ANESTHETICS.
Nor did i say they were bad.Anesthetics are good.
She will be in a hospice for a few days due to the damage cuaes by the painkillers
But I thought anesthetics are good??
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I have not a clue who this 'Jane' is - BB play no part in my life.
However, I do care for people with cancer - we lost an uncle, cousin and friend to it back in 2006 and almost lost my dad to it last year.
Jade has only a few days of life left to her according to the news.The powerful painkillers made her have hullucinations and this was the reason she was shouting the other day.
She will be in a hospice for a few days due to the damage cuaes by the painkillers
ALL OF YOU HAVE BEEN VERY SELFISH AND FAILED TO SAVE HER AND WENT ON ABOUT HER FAME AND FORTUNE.
All you could talk about was about other people who had cancer.
Yes we know.
But we don't see them.We don't know them.
If you had saved Jade Goody AUTOMATICALLY they would have been saved too from her cure due to the Jade Goody effect.
Can you not see that?
So by failing to save Jade Goody you have failed to save the others compounding your sin.
This is nonsense - post this sort of rubbish again and you will be banned.
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How on Earth could we have saved her?!?! The best doctors in the world couldn't do it, so how are we meant to have!?!? WTF!!
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I tried to write 'bollocks' in one of my threads and the Forum script wouldn't let me. It'll be interesting to see if it lets me now. Also censored is 'sh*t' which comes out as ' sh1t ' and 'w*nker' comes out as ' [:I] '. Has anybody else discovered any words that are automatically censored or am I just uncouth?
Have you noticed how I am trying to steer the conversation in a slightly different direction? Or am I just being a [:I]?
Come on John Chapman, use your imagination [:)]
****, bitch, ****, sh1t, bullsh1t.
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Hmm...that's strange, I thought BS would have gotten censored. But as you can see, two of them have been censored, the first one rhymes with suck and duck and... you get the point. And the other one rhymes with tank and er.... rank.
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All this and I'm the one that gets reported to the mods for saying "dude"! No offence meant there by the way. Mate.
Also: If anyone would like to discuss this, then please send me a PM. We're all adults, aren't we?
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Okay. Dude. You said it..... dude.
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I have not a clue who this 'Jane' is - BB play no part in my life.
However, I do care for people with cancer - we lost an uncle, cousin and friend to it back in 2006 and almost lost my dad to it last year.
Jade has only a few days of life left to her according to the news.The powerful painkillers made her have hullucinations and this was the reason she was shouting the other day.
She will be in a hospice for a few days due to the damage cuaes by the painkillers
ALL OF YOU HAVE BEEN VERY SELFISH AND FAILED TO SAVE HER AND WENT ON ABOUT HER FAME AND FORTUNE.
All you could talk about was about other people who had cancer.
Yes we know.
But we don't see them.We don't know them.
Just as i do NOT KNOW Jane Gody
If you had saved Jade Goody AUTOMATICALLY they would have been saved too from her cure due to the Jade Goody effect.
Can you not see that?
So by failing to save Jade Goody you have failed to save the others compounding your sin.
What a load of rubbish, total rubbish. It was the asbestos that caused the cancer that killed my uncle, not me worshipping some unknown-to-me BB contestant. The implication is both hurtful and deeply insulting.
Other people are equally as important as Ms Goody, everyone is equal.
Sorry mods, I had to let off steam - I am not fussed if this post is deleted or modified.
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Damo - My sympathies about your uncle. My cancer is likewise asbestos-related.
If NSM can offer a practical way that I can survive it then I shall be eternally grateful. Otherwise he/she should just shut the fek up! I too find his/her comments highly offensive.
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Thank you, DB. In many good ways, you remind me of my uncle - sense of humour and strong in character.
I agree, if NSM does offer een a viable alternative to explore, then good on him.
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Do you think we would let anyone die if we had the cure. We have all lost so many people through cancer. Sometimes you have to admit how frail and vulnerable human beings are. I felt so useless when my brother died because I'd studied so much and worked on cures for all sorts of illnesses but when it came down to it I couldn't save him. You have to admit defeat sometimes and you have to accept that we all have to die. Count yourself lucky that you will see tomorrow.
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Do you think we would let anyone die if we had the cure. We have all lost so many people through cancer. Sometimes you have to admit how frail and vulnerable human beings are. I felt so useless when my brother died because I'd studied so much and worked on cures for all sorts of illnesses but when it came down to it I couldn't save him. You have to admit defeat sometimes and you have to accept that we all have to die. Count yourself lucky that you will see tomorrow.
well said
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oh boy.
We are all going to die. Every single one of us. Within what ?, a 120 years (mostly 70 or so ?) every single human being that is alive right now will be dead. Some of us just have their mortality brought to their attention with more notice than they would wish !
I say let Jade Goody do what she needs to do. She is already financially secure but if she feels that she needs a few more ££s then the public who relish the details will continue to buy the magazines, read the papers etc etc etc.
NobodySavedMe......I guess there is nothing we can do to satiate your request. I think it's not what you say but the way that you say it......You need to step outside yourself for a while and try and be open to the suggestion that there may be a way that you are perceived that is not conducive to general cordiality amongst your fellow members here.
I admire your passion but in MY opinion I feel you are somewhat lost. I want to say ' misguided' but I think you display some signs of emotional trauma. Either you've been hurt deeply or you are in need of some assistance !.....I want to be sympathetic to you because I think you are deeply troubled, somewhat easily led and filled with a resolute proclivity to see conspiracies around you. And yet, I know my saying all this probably upsets you as we all hate being told these things...but it's just MY opinion OK ?
Try to be open to the possibility that the things you say and the way you say them may not be congenial and complaisant.
The world really is not such an evil bad place...it's just that it's the evil bad stuff that makes the most noise. If there was a cure for an ailment I can not imagine it being held back for the sake of commercial enterprise......I'm referring to medicine here and resolutions to humanitarian plights.
I just don't know. I would hate to live my life thinking that life could be a lot better but that someone has made it so that it is not, purely on the grounds of economics !
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Damo - My sympathies about your uncle. My cancer is likewise asbestos-related.
If NSM can offer a practical way that I can survive it then I shall be eternally grateful. Otherwise he/she should just shut the fek up! I too find his/her comments highly offensive.
Look there is a 4 protocol method to save yourself I read it on a forum by someone who tried it.You may even have come across it.You need to have an open mind and be proactive.
I could explain it to you but what is the point? Your so called "friends"would shoot shoot it down as it would conflict with their mind set and goes against their established mental programming.
The method works on a empirical level and where your life is involved that is all that matters.
It worked for him.It explained how it worked.
Of course it is not vouchsafed by the establishment s it stands for all those things they want to ban, control suppress as it would effect the bottom line.To have outsiders come in and show them up is a very bitter pill to swallow.
Everybody hates to be wrong.Doctors hate to be wrong.When they are wrong they always use the magic words "spontaneous remission" to cover their ignorance.
However it seems you Doctor Beaver are already resigned to your fate.You display a martyr complex already,assisted by your so called "friends" who egg you on to attack me for their own amusement.
The worst kind of "friends" to have.
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Damo - My sympathies about your uncle. My cancer is likewise asbestos-related.
If NSM can offer a practical way that I can survive it then I shall be eternally grateful. Otherwise he/she should just shut the fek up! I too find his/her comments highly offensive.
Look there is a 4 protocol method to save yourself I read it on a forum by someone who tried it.You may even have come across it.You need to have an open mind and be proactive.
I could explain it to you but what is the point? Your so called "friends"would shoot shoot it down as it would conflict with their mind set and goes against their established mental programming.
The method works on a empirical level and where your life is involved that is all that matters.
It worked for him.It explained how it worked.
Of course it is not vouchsafed by the establishment s it stands for all those things they want to ban, control suppress as it would effect the bottom line.To have outsiders come in and show them up is a very bitter pill to swallow.
Everybody hates to be wrong.Doctors hate to be wrong.When they are wrong they always use the magic words "spontaneous remission" to cover their ignorance.
Let me get this straight - you know of a potential cure for cancer, be it withi or without established medical science, but instead of telling us about it, or attempting to contact Jade Goody's people, you tell us to find a way to cure her and then accuse us all of causing her death?
You are so full of misplaced righteous indignation that you refuse to share it with people who will listen with an open, but rightly sceptical, mind? Listen - if it worked, and was free and available on the internet, many, many people would be doing it. The NHS would be all over it, as would BUPA and all the other medical insurance companies - it certainly wouldn't hurt their bottom line now, would it?
However it seems you Doctor Beaver are already resigned to your fate.You display a martyr complex already,assisted by your so called "friends" who egg you on to attack me for their own amusement.
The worst kind of "friends" to have.
More offensive gibberish. Doctor Beaver has some very good friends on this site, people who care deeply for his wellbeing. All you have to do is read his posts to realise that he has a very good mental outlook on his condition. The only person inciting attacks to you is you. Did you read NeilEP's post? Does it ever occur to you that it could be something you are doing or saying, or the way in which you say it that illicits a negative response?
We know you feel the medical establishment is evil, and we also know that you fall for propaganda and seek conspiracy in everything you see. This is not our fault.
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Unless I see proof, I am a skeptic - I make no apologies for this.
NobodySavedMe - you are seriously basing your stance on something you read on a forum??
I am new here, before I arrived, I did not know you, I did not know DoctorBeaver nor anyone (and until this thread, I did not know of Ms. Goody).
I am a skeptic, but I am also with an open mind, especially when it comes to people. An example is that I do not base anything on first impressions, I only base things on what I see, read or hear.
DoctorBeaver has repeatedly state that he is searching for remedies, for new researh... all with a great and strong outlook, I am sure Ms. Goody may have done the same. I know my uncle was the same - nothing remotely to do with 'resigning to their fate'.
However, with you, I see a very close minded attitude, at least on this issue. You also insulted me and my late uncle. That and that alone is why you received a negative response from me.
You may choose not to believe this for whatever reason - that is irrelevant to me.
What I am seeing here in this thread is a person for whatever reason invents conspiracies, twists things around and what-not - maybe it is to fuel your want for sympathy or something - I do not know, that is entirely up to you to sort out.
But, I am happy to get to know people on forums, but once they cross the line as you did concerning my uncle, they, you are just a name on a screen, hence of negligible significance.
You did that to yourself.
You could be a troubled person (as per the posts above) or simply a lonely online troll - either way, I hope you find peace.
Edited to add: This thread is now just a distraction to me, so I will be taking no more part in it
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Look there is a 4 protocol method to save yourself I read it on a forum by someone who tried it.You may even have come across it.You need to have an open mind and be proactive.
I could explain it to you but what is the point? Your so called "friends"would shoot shoot it down as it would conflict with their mind set and goes against their established mental programming.
In which case I shall level against you the same accusation you levelled against us with regard Jade Goody. I shall blame you personally for causing my death through inaction.
Where my being resigned to my fate is concerned, yes that's true up to a point. I am looking at alternative therapies but also not building up my hopes too much as my type of cancer is notoriously hard to treat by any means and has one of the highest mortality rates. The reason being that mesthelioma is almost impossible to spot in the very early stages; there are no noticeable symptoms early on. By the time it becomes noticeable it has already got a hold. Most of the remedies I have looked at, alternative or conventional, rely on early diagnosis.
Please don't flatter yourself by thinking there is some kind of conspiracy against you. My friends do not need to egg me on to have a go at you. I find your remarks highly offensive and I respond to that solely of my own accord.
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I have not a clue who this 'Jane' is - BB play no part in my life.
However, I do care for people with cancer - we lost an uncle, cousin and friend to it back in 2006 and almost lost my dad to it last year.
Jade has only a few days of life left to her according to the news.The powerful painkillers made her have hullucinations and this was the reason she was shouting the other day.
She will be in a hospice for a few days due to the damage cuaes by the painkillers
ALL OF YOU HAVE BEEN VERY SELFISH AND FAILED TO SAVE HER AND WENT ON ABOUT HER FAME AND FORTUNE.
All you could talk about was about other people who had cancer.
Yes we know.
But we don't see them.We don't know them.
If you had saved Jade Goody AUTOMATICALLY they would have been saved too from her cure due to the Jade Goody effect.
Can you not see that?
So by failing to save Jade Goody you have failed to save the others compounding your sin.
This is nonsense - post this sort of rubbish again and you will be banned.
Why wait?