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Fake. It is now clear that the shroud was never wrapped around the dead body of Iesus Nazarenus, or any man from that era ...
Totally fake of course. Nothing about it seems real.Not to mention even if one was to suspend all scientific knowledge and all scientific process and all logic and reasoning and choose to attribute the markings to some resurrection, it still would make zero sense as to why such an event would cause such markings to begin with.
Whoever put the rock there, was perfectly capable of taking it away again. Whatever happened to the "guard" they set on the tomb? Various modern translations differ as to whether the tomb was already open when the two Marys visited it. Mark, the earliest gospel, definitely says that it had been rolled away, but later writers seem to have embellished it with an earthquake and an angel or two.The idea of a beam of non-photons that could vaporise a body without damaging a piece of cloth that was woven some 1300 years later, is interesting. Please tell us more.
You have ignored the key scientific fact: the cloth is only about 800 years old. Bloody science, ruins everything.
In that case, whatever it is is a fake, by definition, or an irrelevant original. Either way, it isn't a sound basis for developing a theory of anything other than human gullibility.
Quote from: alancalverd on 19/07/2016 14:50:46In that case, whatever it is is a fake, by definition, or an irrelevant original. Either way, it isn't a sound basis for developing a theory of anything other than human gullibility. I did not develop a theory about the shroud. It is just an example in my books of the interaction of higher light speed energy and our light speed C energy. And to me it points out the possibility that Jesus was a cosmic reincnarnate.
Quote from: jerrygg38 on 19/07/2016 16:24:38Quote from: alancalverd on 19/07/2016 14:50:46In that case, whatever it is is a fake, by definition, or an irrelevant original. Either way, it isn't a sound basis for developing a theory of anything other than human gullibility. I did not develop a theory about the shroud. It is just an example in my books of the interaction of higher light speed energy and our light speed C energy. And to me it points out the possibility that Jesus was a cosmic reincnarnate.Jesus was but a man.. as any other man.. except he had delusions of grandeur and the intellect and ego to totally play his society at the time as total friggin fools, played a part, the suckers bought it, and thousands of years later billions of suckers still buy it, making him one of the greatest liars of all history. But a man nonetheless, same as anyone else, and he's now not even a rotting corpse any longer, but instead a pile of bones. A nothing. A nobody. That's a fact. No, god did not send his son here to die for your sins, no, there is not some magic fairy realm, no, jesus did not 'ascend up to heaven', which technically would've been him flying off the planet sideways, no, he did not rise from the dead blah blah blah. I mean seriously, you're on a science forum, so you've gotta have some knowledge of science. So c'mon, be objective. Step out of your brainwashing. Objectively look at the situation and realize how ludicrously insane it is to believe. How you'd have to literally suspend belief in all you've ever learned about physics and science. What has science ever, friggin ever shown you, that would lead you to believe any of it all could be true whatsoever? What have you ever learned about the way the universe works that would lend credibility to our souls flying to heaven when we die, of anybody being able to rise from the dead after 3 days, of any body flying off to heaven (though it would've been sideways), or any of the magic fairy man in the sky bull that so many believe? Gimme a break. Use your head. Religion is a farce for those too ignorant to see reality. Admit it to yourself. You'll feel better, and liberated.