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Quote from: Mr. Scientist on 09/11/2009 20:06:15EVEN a single quantum photon is a distortion of spacetime. And when i was talking about pur gamma energy, i was referring to light being generated in general, is still part of the suns makeup. Mass is not special when curvature is involved. Energy can also casue curvature, thus solidifying the arguement that photon generates its own gravitational field as it inexorably moves through the vacuum. It's not due to mass, but energy with momentum in general.Again, I agree that energy is affected by gravity, but does energy have gravity, you state it does, where are you getting your information from?
EVEN a single quantum photon is a distortion of spacetime. And when i was talking about pur gamma energy, i was referring to light being generated in general, is still part of the suns makeup. Mass is not special when curvature is involved. Energy can also casue curvature, thus solidifying the arguement that photon generates its own gravitational field as it inexorably moves through the vacuum. It's not due to mass, but energy with momentum in general.
Quote from: Vern on 09/11/2009 22:28:43The notion that a photon produces a gravitational field is part of Einstein's General theory of relativity. All theories of nature contain the notion; it is necessary for consistency. When you equate mass to energy, you must equate the whole of it. E = mc2 does not allow you to somehow separate gravity from the m in the equation.Now, you can continue to be sceptical; there is no experimental proof that I know about; but the maths work so well that we usually accept it. You would need some powerful experimental evidence to refute the notion that photons produce gravity. []I've asked http://madsci.org/ask.html the question now, they say it will take 2 or more weeks, I will let you know what they say."E = mc2 does not allow you to somehow separate gravity from the m in the equation." I am still looking for information on energy converting to matter in particle accelerators. You say that matter is mostly energy, earlier (08/11/2009 19:27:40) do you not believe that matter is 100% made up from energy.
The notion that a photon produces a gravitational field is part of Einstein's General theory of relativity. All theories of nature contain the notion; it is necessary for consistency. When you equate mass to energy, you must equate the whole of it. E = mc2 does not allow you to somehow separate gravity from the m in the equation.Now, you can continue to be sceptical; there is no experimental proof that I know about; but the maths work so well that we usually accept it. You would need some powerful experimental evidence to refute the notion that photons produce gravity. []
I am still looking for information on energy converting to matter in particle accelerators.
You say that matter is mostly energy, earlier (08/11/2009 19:27:40) do you not believe that matter is 100% made up from energy.
Quote from: Tony_82You say that matter is mostly energy, earlier (08/11/2009 19:27:40) do you not believe that matter is 100% made up from energy.I suspect that matter is 100% made up of energy. However, others suspect that it is not. So I don't always advocate my own suspicions. I sometimes use the prevailing wisdom and subjugate my own suspicions.