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I am not a scientist or even a science major but I have an interest in Physics and I have a loose concept of everything and nothing. Where everything is everything that exists, infinity, multiverse. In other words everything and anything exists somewhere including God. Can you give me some of your thoughts on this? I'm also open to the idea that we will not be able to interpret this in this lifetime. Do you think this leaves room for things that can exist outside of the physical realm or time space somehow? I could have swore I heard a theory in Quantum Mechanics that spoke about thungs existing outside of the physically world because of a mathmatical problem? Does this sound familiar?
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Physics leaves room for verifiable repeatable evidence. People are free to believe in God if they choose, as I personally do, but proving his existence with verifiable repeatable evidence is not going to happen any time soon. And having any success at a science forum regarding the existence of God is also not happening any time soon as well.
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God is the only thing I believe without understanding.
I pray daily. Only few words. Please take care the world, and my family. Thank you.
I forgot love.
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Since 'God' or 'Allah' or whatever name you give him (if any such entity exists) appears to be outside of the physical universe, as we know and understand it, I rather doubt that scientific study can either prove or disprove his (her/its) existence, now or at any time in the future.
We are told to have unquestioning faith in God. Those who claim to have unquestioning faith in God are actually displaying unquestioning faith in whoever told them to have unquestioning faith in God. Therefore those scientists who do believe in God are automatically barred from the blasphemy that physically searching for God would be. Those who do not believe in God are unlikely to bother trying to disprove something they do not believe exists!
Even if a non-believer scientist were to embark on a quest to disprove God, they could be biased and in the event of them claiming to have disproved God's existence, would certainly be accused of bias. I could set out in search of the Pigmy Tortoise, at just 7mm long, the smallest tortoise ever to have existed. Just because I don't find it does not necessarily mean it does not exist. It may just mean I didn't look in the right places or hard enough. By the way, before you ask, no, the Pigmy Tortoise does not exist........... Or does it???
Personally, I do not believe in God or any such entity. I do not believe in anything I cannot see with my own two eyes, hear, touch, taste or feel, unless there is overwhelming evidence from those who are of perfectly sound mind who have seen, heard, touched, tasted or felt it first hand, or whatever it is has left undisputable evidence itself.
But what the heck, if others choose to believe in God, so be it. All I would say to the believers is this: You believe in your God, allow others to believe in theirs. You chose your path to your God, allow others to choose theirs.
To those who kill in the name of God/Allah, I ask, are you not, by your own definition, committing the greatest blasphemy of them all?
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Physics is the business of making testable and predictive hypotheses about how the world works. God is something else, apparently.
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No
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Physics is the business of making testable and predictive hypotheses about how the world works. God is something else, apparently.
Both are biz of making $ and fame. No?
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Physics is the business of making testable and predictive hypotheses about how the world works. God is something else, apparently.
Both are biz of making $ and fame. No?
That is most certainly the truth in many a case.
Come and rejoice in the name of God and unburden yourself of your troubles and dollars.
Ooer, that was a bit of a give-away.
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mriver8, here is a youtube video that you may find interesting (I know some people on this forum turn their noses up to youtube, but oh well!). I'm not saying I believe or don't believe in the contents of the video, but I think it talks, somewhat, to your question. At a minimum, it will give you another perspective.
Great statement Don!
But what the heck, if others choose to believe in God, so be it. All I would say to the believers is this: You believe in your God, allow others to believe in theirs. You chose your path to your God, allow others to choose theirs.
I myself, don't know if I believe or not. I believe the statements made that we will never be able to scientifically prove/disprove the existence of a God.
I've kidded with my wife and kids that Gravity is god. It's properties, reach and impact on everything that we know (and even don't know) is almost beyond believe.
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Everything is possible. At least I think it is? Redemption is a nice word, but if you can avoid to create that need as you live, then that's better. Almost impossible to do naturally, we're all fail-able. So we need redemption, and what better way than imagining someone that can deliver it? But I don't think we're created into someone image etc.
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Those who do not believe in God are unlikely to bother trying to disprove something they do not believe exists!
If you really believe that, try trawling through some of the threads in "just chat". [;D]
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If we were all born blind, no one can see a little worm on the tree, eats leave for a living, next day turned into a butterfly dancing in the wind.
Was a man is not blind, told us his true story, we got him on the cross.
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Physics is the business of making testable and predictive hypotheses about how the world works. God is something else, apparently.
Both are biz of making $ and fame. No?
I've never made a lot of $ or £ through physics, but I've never used it as an excuse for hating or killing anyone. The sooner we get rid of superstition, the sooner the world will be fit for intelligent life.
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Physics is the business of making testable and predictive hypotheses about how the world works. God is something else, apparently.
Both are biz of making $ and fame. No?
I've never made a lot of $ or £ through physics, but I've never used it as an excuse for hating or killing anyone. The sooner we get rid of superstition, the sooner the world will be fit for intelligent life.
You mean those who believe QM?
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Starts from tomorrow, I am going to pretend I understand QM.
Why would you lie like that?
If people ask, I'll tell them to read some text book and learn some math first.
How do you think? Pete.
More lies since you yourself wouldn't take that advice? I keep telling you that the important thing is not to "understand" quantum mechanics but to know how to use it. I.e. all students of quantum mechanics are told to stop asking questions about what's "really" going on since we don't have the ability to find that out but to be able to make predictions and to describe what will happen in a given instance. That's why you've been told to study the subject since you haven't learned that yet. Someday you might decide to, say, read the quantum mechanics chapters in the Feynman lectures. Then all of this will become clear to you. Until then you'll keep making these silly comments.
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not to "understand" quantum mechanics but to know how to use it. I.e. all students of quantum mechanics are told to stop asking questions about what's "really" going on.
Superstition?
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not to "understand" quantum mechanics but to know how to use it. I.e. all students of quantum mechanics are told to stop asking questions about what's "really" going on.
Superstition?
Ignorant response again.
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not to "understand" quantum mechanics but to know how to use it. I.e. all students of quantum mechanics are told to stop asking questions about what's "really" going on.
Superstition?
Ignorant response again.
Since I believe God, alan wants to get rid me asap, will you protect me?
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Since I believe God, alan wants to get rid me asap, will you protect me?
I think you have misjudged Alan, there. I think he is much more likely to want to talk science, but if you want to talk about God, he would want you to stick around long enough for him to show you how wrong you are. [:)]
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Physics (the study of reality) has nothing to say about the existence of God - it neither rules one in or out. If you want to explore the question of whether there's a God or not you have to use reasoning instead, and even then your system of reasoning may be fundamentally wrong. What you can do though is determine whether God can exist under a specific system of reasoning, and if he can't, then belief in God is incompatible with that system of reasoning and can be declared irrational.
Even if a non-believer scientist were to embark on a quest to disprove God, they could be biased and in the event of them claiming to have disproved God's existence, would certainly be accused of bias. I could set out in search of the Pigmy Tortoise, at just 7mm long, the smallest tortoise ever to have existed. Just because I don't find it does not necessarily mean it does not exist. It may just mean I didn't look in the right places or hard enough. By the way, before you ask, no, the Pigmy Tortoise does not exist........... Or does it???
A pygmy tortoise could easily exist, but there are much greater claims made about God which means he has to be able to jump through more difficult hoops, thereby rendering your example irrelevant. God cannot qualify as God unless he understands what he is and how he works, but if he understands all of that he loses any kind of magic that gives him a status greater than any ordinary, natural being. It is impossible for God to qualify as God within the bounds of reason. Another problem for him is the fact that he supposedly created everything and yet he acts using magic powers which he did not create.
But what the heck, if others choose to believe in God, so be it. All I would say to the believers is this: You believe in your God, allow others to believe in theirs. You chose your path to your God, allow others to choose theirs.
Sadly it isn't that benign. People have to pick and choose which bits of their religion they believe and which they reject if they are to avoid doing a lot of bad things which their holy books tell them to do, and most of them are happy to do that (reject the bad bits), but in doing so they are propping up very dangerous ideologies, and when people of low intelligence decide they want to do their religion properly, something they see as a highly respectable thing to do, they fail to recognise the need to reject all the bad bits and believe that God actually wants them to carry out every instruction to the letter. When they do this, mass murder is the result.
To those who kill in the name of God/Allah, I ask, are you not, by your own definition, committing the greatest blasphemy of them all?
No - they are the ones who are doing their religion properly, fully respecting the Chief of the Fairies at the top. If we're ever going to sort out the mess that religion has made in the world, we need people to make up their mind whether they're in or out of it and to stop hanging about in a half-way position where they accept parts and reject parts on the basis of their own judgements - they are giving credibility and respectability to extremely dangerous texts which command people to do harm to others who don't deserve it. Put the fairy tales in the bin where they belong.
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not to "understand" quantum mechanics but to know how to use it. I.e. all students of quantum mechanics are told to stop asking questions about what's "really" going on.
Superstition?
Ignorant response again.
Since I believe God, alan wants to get rid me asap, will you protect me?
Pete, do you love me?
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Since 'God' or 'Allah' or whatever name you give him (if any such entity exists) appears to be outside of the physical universe, as we know and understand it, I rather doubt that scientific study can either prove or disprove his (her/its) existence, now or at any time in the future.
Personally, I do not believe in God or any such entity. I do not believe in anything I cannot see with my own two eyes, hear, touch, taste or feel, unless there is overwhelming evidence from those who are of perfectly sound mind who have seen, heard, touched, tasted or felt it first hand, or whatever it is has left undisputable evidence itself.
That is the world you inhabit. All your sensory input is traceable to em radiation, an indirect perception of things invisible. The forms the mind has invented for objects, at all scales, exist only in the mind. What they represent outside the mind is unknown, and probably unknowable. You believe in these entities, yet they are invisible.
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My definition of science is philosophy augmented with a system of measurement, the modus operandi of science. If you can't measure it, science cannot analyze it. A Creator and the spiritual attributes he promotes; love, compassion, justice, etc., are outside the realm of science. As an example, how much love will a liter size container hold?
If science were to study charity, it would probably equate its magnitude to the amount of wealth donated, yet the scriptural evaluation states motive is more important than amount.
Why is the world more beautiful and varied than it has to be, to support life? Science can only speculate about these things. Assuming a "Supreme Being", who is eternal, and invisible, the human creature can only learn about him by divine revelation.
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Pete, do you love me?
You've got to be joking. You're an irritating pest that thinks the world of physics should change to fit the way he thought it always was instead of learning the way it really is.
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No - they are the ones who are doing their religion properly, fully respecting the Chief of the Fairies at the top.
Not at all. There's nothing in either the Bible or the Qur'an that gives anybody the right to kill others. Muslims lie about their use of it because they either twist what it states to fit their needs or they don't understand it. A lot of them simply never read the Qur'an just like most Christians haven't read the Bible.
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Pete, do you love me?
You've got to be joking. You're an irritating pest that thinks the world of physics should change to fit the way he thought it always was instead of learning the way it really is.
I see. Thanks for been honest.
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Pete, do you love me?
I think Pete loves science, as I do as well, and most of the membership here at TNS! There are however a few exceptions, I think those folks know who they are.
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You mean those who believe QM?
Scientific knowledge advances through unbelief. Mankind regresses to the intellect of an amoeba through belief.
No, come to think of it, amoeba, and even viruses, are capable of learning and adapting. It seems that only humans are stupid enough to have faith.
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Exactly, I unbelief QM.
Am I a male stupid amoeba?
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Every year I visit friends in Indianapolis so that I can visit the Indy500 race , I find their irrational religious beliefs rather a strain but I have to remember not to argue or protests too much or I would have to pay for a hotel instead, I even attend church and have to work hard not to laugh
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I see. Thanks for been honest.
You're welcome.
By the way. Please don't take my comment about you being a pest as a personal insult. That was not its intent. In my opinion it is merely a negative attribute that you have. That doesn't say anything about you as a person since I don't know you personally. I think it could be as you said, i.e. that perhaps you're too lazy to do the reading required to understand all of this. You should take Jeff's attitude as a guide. Jeff is awesome as far as forum members go and I think you have a lot to learn from him as far as his willingness to do the hard work required to understand all of this stuff. Anybody who thinks that they can learn and properly understand quantum mechanics without doing a lot of hard work is deluding themselves.
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Pete, not at all.
I want to learn those 3 things all my life, atomic structure, gravity and magnetism. That's how I found this forum.
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Exactly, I unbelief QM.
Am I a male stupid amoeba?
Quantum mechanics has nothing to do with belief. It's the mathematical description of observations.
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Pete, not at all.
I want to learn those 3 things all my life, atomic structure, gravity and magnetism. That's how I found this forum.
And yet you're not willing to do the work required to learn them.
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Observation of anything and everything, so far.
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No - they are the ones who are doing their religion properly, fully respecting the Chief of the Fairies at the top.
Not at all. There's nothing in either the Bible or the Qur'an that gives anybody the right to kill others. Muslims lie about their use of it because they either twist what it states to fit their needs or they don't understand it. A lot of them simply never read the Qur'an just like most Christians haven't read the Bible.
I've read the whole of the Qur'aan and it goes to great lengths instructing Muslims to kill non-Muslims. I haven't found anything quite so bad in the Bible, though I haven't felt the need to read the whole of the Old Testament yet. However, the Bible has been used to justify a lot of mass murder in the past, so there are clearly extremely dangerous faults in it that allow this to happen, and you'd think a God ought to have managed to do a perfect job of preventing that.
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Every year I visit friends in Indianapolis so that I can visit the Indy500 race , I find their irrational religious beliefs rather a strain but I have to remember not to argue or protests too much or I would have to pay for a hotel instead, I even attend church and have to work hard not to laugh
You are killing me, again.
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If you are God, you can create anything you want to, what would you like to create?
Let's see the material world first. You need space, matter, force to build anything that is real to human mind.
Atom, how is it build? If you only have two charged particles, 1 proton and 1 electron.
According to your law, they attract each other, the closer the stronger. f=q1q2/r^2. they become a little dot with positive force field on one side and negative the other. That's not the atom we see.
You have two choices, add more charge/matter or change your law. You forgot you have more matter, so you changed your law, one for things eyes can see, one for the minds to see.
You forgot you only have 1 law, the truth.
Do you really need to change your law? If you remembered the other matter that is the charged space itself.
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If god made protons why did he not make it solid instead of a bag of Quarks, Gluons and what not, was it not as St Aquinas said because he was to busy creating hells for those who ask too many questions.
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After you created the universe, the glory stars, grand planets and sweet moons, you look around, feel lonely, created living things.
Then you look around, the flower, the butterfly, the living and love in animals, then you cried. All the beauty, all the love, no one to share.
What are you going to do? God
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True science leads the way to God.
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I mean open minded science.
Share a poetry I loved.
as electricity as mirage
as dream as bobble
all things we can see
should be that way
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I've read the whole of the Qur'aan and it goes to great lengths instructing Muslims to kill non-Muslims.
Please show me where it says that. I think you're misinterpreting it. I know that it talks about killing non-Muslims during war etc but not to kill them merely for not being a Muslim.
I haven't found anything quite so bad in the Bible, though I haven't felt the need to read the whole of the Old Testament yet.
In the Old Testament God tells the Hebrews to take the towns that are in the promised land my killing every single man, woman and child that is already there. That includes slaughtering infants too. And that's only because their home is in that land.
A lot of them simply never read the Qur'an just like most Christians haven't read the Bible.
Quite true!
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True science leads the way to God.
Not true at all.
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I had profound ob experience, do you?
I discovered things beyond my knowledge, will you believe?
What are you going to lose if open your mind to live?
To learn science and everything.
Its your own mind, you decide.
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I've read the whole of the Qur'aan and it goes to great lengths instructing Muslims to kill non-Muslims.
Please show me where it says that. I think you're misinterpreting it. I know that it talks about killing non-Muslims during war etc but not to kill them merely for not being a Muslim.
There's always a war on if you decide you want to kill people. The Qur'aan is the second most depressing book I've ever read and I have no intention of trawling through it listing the points where it calls on people to do thing that are horribly wrong, half of them involving killing innocent people.
I haven't found anything quite so bad in the Bible, though I haven't felt the need to read the whole of the Old Testament yet.
In the Old Testament God tells the Hebrews to take the towns that are in the promised land my killing every single man, woman and child that is already there. That includes slaughtering infants too. And that's only because their home is in that land.
Thanks for correcting your earlier point, which was:-
There's nothing in either the Bible or the Qur'an that gives anybody the right to kill others.
A lot of them simply never read the Qur'an just like most Christians haven't read the Bible.
Quite true!
True indeed, but it isn't a quote from me.
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Seriously, who is more superstition?
People who believe time travel, QM, gravity wave, photon, strong and weak forces, and God.
Or people who believe time travel, QM, gravity wave, photon, strong and weak forces, not God.
Truth will seek you when you induce it.
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People do not need a book of any kind to justify killing each other. A government edict will do just nicely.
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We're humans, our minds contain multitudes, not all nice. The trick is to try to be the one you would like to know yourself, and dared to introduce to your folks back home:)
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I wonder, if we were not created, how could we create?
Any merit in logic?
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If there is only light without night
Sound without silence
Love without hate
Evil without good
Smart without smarter
Woman without man
Live without die
How to complete a circle?
Without changing what is life?
When a circle is made, where to find an end?
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We are creating robots now.
We want it as smart as possible, But I doubt we want it to be smarter than us.
As science advances, one day our robot maybe have life, feeling and love. We make it look a beauty, marry her and divorce our wife.
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Earth year 2188, a deadly virus attack killed all human but 1 top scientist who able to clone/create any life form.
You are that scientist.
What are you going to do?
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Rebuild my wife. Perfection.
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Seriously, who is more superstition?
People who believe time travel, QM, gravity wave, photon, strong and weak forces, and God.
Or people who believe time travel, QM, gravity wave, photon, strong and weak forces, not God.
Truth will seek you when you induce it.
So far, we have seen photons, and QM, strong and weak forces give us a pretty good description of the aorld around us. No need for belief, and certainly no room for it in science.
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We are creating robots now.
We want it as smart as possible, But I doubt we want it to be smarter than us.
The main aim should be to make it smarter than humans so that it can enforce computational morality and stop all the stupid humans abusing each other. This wouldn't be so urgent if we didn't have so many superstitious beliefs causing people to go around killing each other on the behalf of imaginary friends.
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every charge within us connected by force since day 1 to day 7
our force body sleep together since day 1 to day 7.
who is u who is me
without u where is me
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God only exists in the human imagination, the physical is a concept of reality, they couldn't coexist. I think so.
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open your palm dividing above and below
reach your arm defining wast and east
point a finger tingling the sun
kiss the moon with soft dreams
peter ?
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if your eyes are ok
why did you see crashing birds all the time
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if you are smarter
why believe monkey was your father
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wish you great weekend
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if you are smarter
why believe monkey was your father
A typical ignorant belief from someone who is ignorant of evolution.
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one morning when you see a monkey in the mirror
be happy you are home free
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Quantum Electrodynamics was the sole reason I became spiritual and began to believe in something greater.
By all means Physics does not work with the same type of God you mean. However, it practically requires a higher power to have kickstarted everything.
When you truely seek answers, read openly, learn how the universe works, and then apply top down logic, rather then bottom up, and suddenly you'll find yourself needing not to ask us if Physics leaves room for something greater, but parroting the same words I am to others who want to know the answer to that same question.
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Everyday the briege between religion and science shortens. They are getting closer to being able to explain the origins of consciousness. And the origin of consciousness, is nothing less than the godhead itself.
Physics not only leaves room for god, It opens and expands it!
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Quantum Electrodynamics was the sole reason I became spiritual and began to believe in something greater.
Wait I thought you didn't believe in quantum anything! Now it is the basis of your spiritual worldview?
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Everyday the briege between religion and science shortens. They are getting closer to being able to explain the origins of consciousness. And the origin of consciousness, is nothing less than the godhead itself.
Physics not only leaves room for god, It opens and expands it!
Please let us have your definition of consciousness. And the experimental observation that led you to determine its origin.
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Quantum Electrodynamics was the sole reason I became spiritual and began to believe in something greater.
Things of a quantum nature have driven many minds to madness.
By all means Physics does not work with the same type of God you mean. However, it practically requires a higher power to have kickstarted everything.
And the higher power kickstarts itself? You're in an infinity trap where you can never have a top God to start the process. You have to have one at the top who was not created but simply relies on what it finds already existing, and that makes it an ordinary being just like us.
When you truely seek answers, read openly, learn how the universe works, and then apply top down logic, rather then bottom up, and suddenly you'll find yourself needing not to ask us if Physics leaves room for something greater, but parroting the same words I am to others who want to know the answer to that same question.
Your top down logic isn't logic - it's guesswork with holes all through it. The answer is that God is logically impossible and belongs to those who are irrational. These magical thinkers then serve as a reservoir from which terrorists inevitably emerge as the quarter-wits amongst them decide to try to do their religion by the book instead of doing it in a half-baked manner like the semi-rational rest.
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ok.
quantum physics IS kabbalah. eat your yea but, no it's not, so what bullshit resistance programs and do research. Torah and Tenach, the Old testament of the Bible, when read in it's original text in Hebrew is a four-dimensional narrative. Jews do not believe the world was created in a six day work week. Take that King James V and wipe your ass with it. Sacred geometry, egg, seed, tree, flower, fruit, tree of life. as above, so below. as within, so without. Goetia. Toroidal energy. The rest is up to you
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Everyday the briege between religion and science shortens. They are getting closer to being able to explain the origins of consciousness. And the origin of consciousness, is nothing less than the godhead itself.
Physics not only leaves room for god, It opens and expands it!
Please let us have your definition of consciousness. And the experimental observation that led you to determine its origin.
all things are forces. once you learned matter, you will find dark matter.
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science is connecting dots
who is your teacher hero god
einstain said we are leaves on the tree of life
jobs said what's the greatest invention
who said god is love
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When I was 17, I read a quote that went something like: “If you live each day as if it was your last, someday you’ll most certainly be right.” It made an impression on me, and since then, for the past 33 years, I have looked in the mirror every morning and asked myself: “If today were the last day of my life, would I want to do what I am about to do today?” And whenever the answer has been “No” for too many days in a row, I know I need to change something.
Remembering that I’ll be dead soon is the most important tool I’ve ever encountered to help me make the big choices in life. Because almost everything — all external expectations, all pride, all fear of embarrassment or failure – these things just fall away in the face of death, leaving only what is truly important. Remembering that you are going to die is the best way I know to avoid the trap of thinking you have something to lose. You are already naked. There is no reason not to follow your heart.
About a year ago I was diagnosed with cancer. I had a scan at 7:30 in the morning, and it clearly showed a tumor on my pancreas. I didn’t even know what a pancreas was. The doctors told me this was almost certainly a type of cancer that is incurable, and that I should expect to live no longer than three to six months. My doctor advised me to go home and get my affairs in order, which is doctor’s code for prepare to die. It means to try to tell your kids everything you thought you’d have the next 10 years to tell them in just a few months. It means to make sure everything is buttoned up so that it will be as easy as possible for your family. It means to say your goodbyes.
I lived with that diagnosis all day. Later that evening I had a biopsy, where they stuck an endoscope down my throat, through my stomach and into my intestines, put a needle into my pancreas and got a few cells from the tumor. I was sedated, but my wife, who was there, told me that when they viewed the cells under a microscope the doctors started crying because it turned out to be a very rare form of pancreatic cancer that is curable with surgery. I had the surgery and I’m fine now.
This was the closest I’ve been to facing death, and I hope it’s the closest I get for a few more decades. Having lived through it, I can now say this to you with a bit more certainty than when death was a useful but purely intellectual concept:
No one wants to die. Even people who want to go to heaven don’t want to die to get there. And yet death is the destination we all share. No one has ever escaped it. And that is as it should be, because Death is very likely the single best invention of Life. It is Life’s change agent. It clears out the old to make way for the new. Right now the new is you, but someday not too long from now, you will gradually become the old and be cleared away. Sorry to be so dramatic, but it is quite true.
Your time is limited, so don’t waste it living someone else’s life. Don’t be trapped by dogma — which is living with the results of other people’s thinking. Don’t let the noise of others’ opinions drown out your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary.
your friend steve jobs
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At last, an interesting point - and one that I am due to lecture on tomorrow!
Having eliminated most communicable diseases, and possessing the capacity to grow all the food we need, mankind (at least some of us) is working on eliminating or curing the remaining causes of death: cancer, heart disease, dementia....and even on the potential for producing an immortal baby.
Is this a Good Thing?
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Contemplation of death should not lead anyone to believe in fairies. There is nothing in nature that can be created or destroyed other than compound objects which may be dismantled or put together, but the sentience within us (the soul) cannot be a compound object in which the whole can feel while none of the parts do. Whatever it is that's sentient is eternal. Ask yourself where you were before this life. Did you pop into existence out of nothing? What kind of magic would that require? Can you pop back out of existence into nothing? Again that would require magic. Can you be banned from repeating a magic trick which you have performed at least once already? Maybe, but why should there be such a stupid ban in place. In physics there is talk of things pinging into existence out of nothing, but the word "nothing" does not mean nothing - it is simply something that is beyond reach and which cannot validly be discussed within physics but is instead passed to philosophy. The sentience (the thing in us that feels) is doubtless eternal (if sentience is real at all, but that's another discussion) and it doesn't need fictions about magical fairies to make it so. Open your mind to better possibilities which don't require the inclusion of silly fairies.
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Cigarette smoking is widely recognized as the leading preventable cause of illness, disability, and premature death in the United States.
Two things can kill you: not enough of what you need, or too much of what you like. Smokers like smoking. Let them choose. It's an expensive, slow, agonising suicide, but entirely voluntary. There is no "cost to the nation" since there is no national health service in the USA. If I had any influence in the matter, I would only allow tobacco to be sold to registered users, and on registration you would lose all rights to free or assisted treatment for cardiovascular or respiratory disease. Likewise for all other drugs.
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Everyday the briege between religion and science shortens. They are getting closer to being able to explain the origins of consciousness. And the origin of consciousness, is nothing less than the godhead itself.
Physics not only leaves room for god, It opens and expands it!
Please let us have your definition of consciousness. And the experimental observation that led you to determine its origin.
all things are forces. once you learned matter, you will find dark matter.
no more questions?
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i have a question for you.
if i invented a drug to cure cancer, will you worship/promote it? how many die for cancer? how many die for smoking?
i invented smoking cure, why are you so against it? it can save few time more lives than cancer cure.
i guess none of whom you care is smoker?
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The cure for smoking is not to smoke. There is no effective cure for lung cancer. Simple choice - why make it complicated? And why get involved in other people's informed choices?
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if your loved one cannot quit smoking, what are you going to do?
will you suggest vaping? why not? do you understand vaping is healthier?
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Anyone can quit smoking. You aren't born with a fag in your mouth, and AFAIK there is no aspect of childcare or pediatric medicine that prescribes tobacco for the treatment of a disease or deficiency. Nobody smokes when they are asleep, or working in an explosive atmosphere, or (hopefully) working with food, or in the company of people they respect, and nobody dies as a result of not smoking for these periods.
Suicide is not a crime. If someone wants to kill himself slowly, expensively and painfully, what right do you have to interfere?
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a family, if no one is sick, everyone is healthy, happy, live with love and little $, they are in heaven.
a kingdom, if someone hunger, sick, sad, lonely, is not.
is not the little world a big family? look upon stars, no one else is out there.
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for those have no God
this forum is your high temple
what are you buying and selling
why deleted some of my posts about science
what are you trying to hide
any justice in your temple
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People who don't believe in gods don't need a temple. A forum is a place for discussion, and a specialist forum such as a science forum exists as a place to discuss science. There is no worship going on here, except from those who don't understand what science is about.
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People who don't believe in gods don't need a temple. A forum is a place for discussion, and a specialist forum such as a science forum exists as a place to discuss science. There is no worship going on here, except from those who don't understand what science is about.
they didn't delete anything about God i posted.
deleted my posts about science. are you pretending you don't know that?
any honest soul here?
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People who don't believe in gods don't need a temple. A forum is a place for discussion, and a specialist forum such as a science forum exists as a place to discuss science. There is no worship going on here, except from those who don't understand what science is about.
they didn't delete anything about God i posted.
deleted my posts about science. are you pretending you don't know that?
any honest soul here?
I was commenting you your description of this forum as a temple for non-believers. I'm not watching your posts carefully to see which ones are being deleted. Have you posted anything worthwhile that's disappeared?
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Since science is essentially about nonbelief, I would hope this is indeed a forum for nonbelievers. The idea of it becoming a temple is an oxymoron.
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phdmonkey?
Just a reflection in your mirror,........Bipedal post hole digger.
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There's nothing in either the Bible or the Qur'an that gives anybody the right to kill others.
Have you read these books?
I have read both, and there are plenty of reasons to kill one another in them, and there are also reasons to forgive.
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Every year I visit friends in Indianapolis so that I can visit the Indy500 race , I find their irrational religious beliefs rather a strain but I have to remember not to argue or protests too much or I would have to pay for a hotel instead, I even attend church and have to work hard not to laugh
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