Naked Science Forum
On the Lighter Side => New Theories => Topic started by: jason2679302 on 30/01/2007 00:00:53
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I'm not a scientist, not even close. But I'm a man of many hours of research, and I've noticed that tests on nuclear tests are not as clear as they should be. I feel it's due to the responsibilty the nations who conducted the blasts, would be highly responsible for almost all cancer and major strange known diseases we have today.
MY CONCERN IS:
I also know of the decay process and how it takes 30-40 years for average radioactive material to breakdown and some material billions of years. This material is CURRENTLY still breaking down into our atmosphere and turns into CARBON DEPOSITS. HELLOOOOOOOOOOO??????????? This material in the sky is breaking down every second of every day into CARBON. There has been NO tests as to if the UNDERGROUND blasts material...makes its way back into the atmosphere...yet causing MORE CARBON in the air. As for the oceans warming these nuclear tests were also conducted in the seas. Which means it also is BREAKING DOWN INTO CARBON IN THE OCEAN in which the ocean can only handle and unknown amount of carbon. This could explain why the ice caps are melting, because earth is like just like a human with a sub-conscience and knows that the ocean is running out of room for carbon trying to make more room. Just like our brain keeps our body at room temperature I feel our earth too, knows when something is wrong and adjusts itself to get it back to normal. What happens when you overpush your body to extreme? We all know...
Any response to this and any questions or answers would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
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My GREATEST CONCERN IS THAT I FEEL THERE IS A SOLUTION IF THIS IS OUR PROBLEM TO GLOBAL WARMING....DOESN'T ONE WONDER WHY THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT AS CONCERNED AS THEY SHOULD BE???? IT'S BECAUSE THEY KNOW THINGS THAT WE DON'T...LOTS...SUCH AS EFFECTS OF NUCLEAR POWER, AND TESTS.
And if this is the reason for warming...then if we don't stop our carbon immediately we could be doomed within just a few years????
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Making carbon 14 from nitrogen requires quite a lot of luck and a lot of energy, the way it is made is a neutron is absorbed by a nitrogen atom and then a proton is released.
N14 + n → C14 + H
This means that you need one neutron per C14 atom. Now a nuclear bomb will produce at the moment a handful of neutrons for every atom of Plutonium. so an atom bomb containing a few kg of Plutonium can only make a few kg of carbon 14.
Carbon14 is about one part in a trillion 1012 there is about 3 x 1012 tonnes of CO2 in the atmosphere so about 1 tonne of C14. This went up by a factor of 2-3 during the period of nuclear testing to maybe 2-3 tonnes, but I feel this is not going to have a major effect compared to the 10s of billions of tonnes of fossil carbon we are burning every year!
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very insightful, I would like to ask where you are basing your information on the rate it went up during the nuclear testing period b/c that is the important factor...because the only tests i think was iee something...that i could find...were based on less than a 1/4 of all nuclear tests to date...esp. not including the 50,000 underground megaton blast conducted by the soviets, also mind this test was done in under the methane filled permafrost fields... by the way what is a megaton blast in kg??
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also i found in a document dated 1962 they knew then that the half-life reaction happening in the atmosphere from the blasts at the time made the atmosphere more "dense" because of water vapors or something...and at the time...they said this was a good thing??? but what I've read on recent is that that idea is incorrect? It seems all conclusions they made in 1962 they're still trying to stick to these conclusions which are incorrect...look at the rate of cancer?
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I was getting it from the graph of relative C14 abundances on this page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Radiocarbon_bomb_spike.svg
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fthumb%2Fe%2Fe2%2FRadiocarbon_bomb_spike.svg%2F600px-Radiocarbon_bomb_spike.svg.png&hash=597aaa99aeb69cc6810d15a70da37eca)
plus overall abundances of one part in a trillion
http://www.nosams.whoi.edu/about/carbon_dating.html
A megatonne bomb, whilst releasing the eqivalent energy of a million tonnes of TNT will still only make a few 10s of kg of C14 at the most, as the amount of C14 produced is broadly similar to the mass of the fissile/fusile material in the bomb, not the energy it produces.
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my reason I suppose for exhausting this theory, is I find it hard to believe that in the past as much carbon that had been released from volcanoes and normal methane release, that during this slow eruption time we are in now...that we have caused this much of a catastrophy with a few cars n burning of fuel...such as one eruption from certain volcanoes is equal to americans driving an entire year...so I've heard? So my next question would be, is this carbon 14 the only material released from the bomb that makes it to the upper atmosphere? And if not, do we really know the effects of those other atoms or how radioactive they are or can be possibly reactive from the sun? Doing other weird unknown things? I know nasa is releasing a bunch of new satellites in the next few years just for this purpose in part to see in great detail on what is actually in the atmosphere and what it's doing. My whole speculation from this ...is I feel there is too much radioactive material floating around everywhere...all over the planet...more than we realize and possibly triggered some kinda reaction?
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The amount of radiation released by the nuclear testing is far less than has been released by burning coal (the coal has impurities in it some of which are radioactive), and there are radioactive isotopes being created all the time by natural cosmic rays.
Carbon dioxide is definitley a greenhouse gas, we can measure this in the lab, if we double it's concentration in the atmosphere, why wouldn't it have an effect?
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I'm not doubting the amount we humans are emitting on a regualr basis is the primary cause and concern and is what is happening...but what I'm asking in general and last question is I don't understand the 'half-life' of the atoms released from the blast tests. Such as the atoms emitted transfer into what? and how long in years does this transformation take place? and are we sure these numbers never multiply in reaction to the sun over a period of years? being that it takes so long for the transformation into other atoms...
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Carbon 14 decays back into notrogen 14 (a major constituent of the earth's atmosphere) by emitting a beta particle or electron from its nucleus this process has a half life of around 5-6 thousand years and is used for dating relatively recent archeological sites out to a few tens of thousands of years.
Naturally occurring Carbon 14 is created in the atmosphere by cosmic rays interacting with the nitrogen in the atmosphere sunlight has nothing to do with this.
look up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiocarbon_dating for more details including the graph of the decay (by absorbtion into the carbon cycle) of nuclear test related carbon 14 in the atmosphere that you have already been given.
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Ok thanks for your insight...there's a lot of technicals that I haven't a clue on...but I am smart...I swear...as long as I understand it...I mostly don't understand...so I ask alot of questions. So I was reading, and I found something saying it was some form of atom that did make it to the outermost layer the thin, and was talking about how thin it is comparing to 'watering a driveway'. Whatever this was they were speculating that it gather at the poles! Wabam...that's why they didn't write me back yo...it's cuz I was talking about that...but with a differnt chemical...chemicals released from the nuclear tests...that made it to that layer...and asked if they're collecting at the poles. OH YEAH...IT WAS SHUTTLE FUEL...water vapor...that gets stuck up there because it isn't very active in that layer...so it was collecting at the poles...and crystalizing they said???? heard of this anyone?
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I don't know what else does, but CFCs (chloro flouro csrbons) which were used as propellants in aerosols, blowing agents in foams etc damage the ozone holeat the ploesbecause they are so stable
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In my opinion anything that makes it to this outtermost layer...which is a mere guess...no matter what chemical...be from a bomb or your tailpipe on your car or an aerosol...but minute pieces are gradually collecting in this outer layer at the poles...causing a concentrated reaction from the sun near the poles...