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On the Lighter Side => New Theories => Topic started by: jsaldea12 on 16/01/2010 23:23:02
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The visible vibration of life
We search through accelerators, split atoms, to nucleus, protons, quarks, quarks, in search for more fundamental particles. But here a more important search, scientific research into the visible vibration, the energy of life. Here it is:
Close your eyes and open your eyes inside And look and SEE movements all over inside your close eyelid, see by the millions, endlessly popping, wiggling, vibrating. That is the visible vibration and energy of life in you.
Jsaldea12
1.17.10
I have changed the statement that appears on the post to a question. That is whay there is a question mark at when you post a topic.
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The visible vibration of life
(with correction)
We search through accelerators, spend billions, to split atoms, nucleus, protons, neutrons, quarks, in search for more fundamental particles, in search for origin of the universe, in search for source of atoms in life?.. But here a more meaningful scientific research into life, itself: the visible vibration, the energy of life. Here it is:
Close your eyes and open your eyes inside And look and see movements all over by the millions, endlessly popping, wiggling, vibrating. That is the visible vibration and energy of life in you.
Jsaldea12
1.17.10
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I know the "Tao Of Physics" was published in the '70's. I read it then. But this needs to go to the New Theories section of the forum.
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I, too, is very well acquainted with eastern philosophy, including "tao",(for more than 30 years, but I never read it has something to do with this vibration.
jsaldea12
1.17.10
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The idea that this pehenomenon is anything of any significance is a new idea (and I might add, has been put forward without any semblance of a basis so it's a guess rather than a theory) but the observation isn't new.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphene
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That phenomenon, re-visible vibration of life inside the closed eyelids, has been noticed by most human beings but taken for granted.. (including you) because everyone has eyes.
You claim it is a guess, not even a theory…, then what is it because it is visibly, endlessly, non-stop in motion, popping in and out, , vibrating inside closed eyelids., IT IS REAL, ALIVE . Scientifically, what is it?
Taoism has songs, sounds, for healthful vibrations. No conflicts.
Jsaldea12
1.18.10
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It's noise in the system; the equivalent of the hiss you hear from an untuned radio or the "snow" on a TV that's between channelos.
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What is a healthful vibration?
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"What is a healthful vibration?"
The Beach Boys wrote a song about it.
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Such is vibration of life, of the living, of the spirit that gives life in flesh in us.
jsaldea12
1.26.10
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What evidence leads you to that conclusion?
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We are the evidence of the living spirit that dwells and that gives life to flesh in us, these gifts of searching minds, the scientific minds that know no boundary, that know there is perfection and imperfection in this world, not exactly the way the religious people would make us to believe but scientifically, we have our WAY of finding out about this life, this world, this universe, about life and death..
Jsaldea12 1.26.10
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And what evidence leads you to that conclusion?
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lol
Yes we do have our WAY of finding out about those things, it's the scientific method. And it produces no evidence for the hypothesis that we are alive because we are possessed by a spirit.
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Our scientific approach is universal.. and our findings and conclusions are universally accepted (unlike religions with different concepts and quarreling). All the resources and laboratory, scientific instruments, as well as astronomical equipments, in our means proves there is unending vibration in this universe, that there is life, changes in life, that we are not just matter, there is implanted to matter that something that makes this vibration, this life. It is alive in us…it is Spirit.What better evidence than us?
Jsaldea12
1.27.10
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So, no real evidence then?
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in our means proves there is unending vibration in this universe, that there is life, changes in life, that we are not just matter, there is implanted to matter that something that makes this vibration, this life. It is alive in us…it is Spirit.
Well this is news to me, can you reference the experiment that shows this?
What better evidence than us?
What?? So because we are alive we are somehow evidence of spirits?
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Yes, has it not occurred that scientifically, matter is matter, yet it forms, following unerring principle, that makes babies of human as human, animals as animals, there must be infusion of spirit that give life to matter, for matter is matter.. What gives us our mind that searches even the farthest recesses of the universe, the smallest fundamental particles, in short, our mind extend beyond the matter, the flesh that is us. That mind goes beyond the limit of matter shows there is infusion of much finer vibration, the vibration of the spirit that is OUTSIDE MATTER. .
Science needs to mature, too, to realize that not everything can be under scrutiny of scientific instruments, re- microscope, astronomical telescope, or other instruments.. That because it cannot be placed under these instruments for investigation, it does not exist. This is an erroneous concept. The best scientific instrument of human beings is using our five senses and open mind…then we will know there is that, that dwells in us, life and spirit.
Jsaldea12
1.27.10
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there must be infusion of spirit that give life to matter
Why? Would a rock come to life if it was 'infused with spirit'? It's spirit that gives matter life right?
What gives us our mind that searches even the farthest recesses of the universe
The evolution of our brain.
Science needs to mature, too, to realize that not everything can be under scrutiny of scientific instruments
Do you even understand what science is? Science deals exclusively with the physical universe. If you want believe that there's things outside of the physical universe like spirits and magic and fairies then fine but don't try to call it science or expect science to bend to your irrational beliefs just to suit you. Or 'mature' as you call it.
That because it cannot be placed under these instruments for investigation, it does not exist. This is an erroneous concept.
Science cannot disprove something that is untestable, and doesn't bother to.
For example, science cannot disprove the hypothesis that 14 fluro-green half-octopus half-meerkat creatures created the universe and now live on earth in a giant undetectable teapot.
Nor can it disprove the hypothesis that there are vibrating spirits dwelling in us like you say.
But both hypothesis are equally plausable/ridiculous. There is no evidence or reason to support either hypothesis so why even dream it up?
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Science has to accept, through scientific approach, the five senses and mind because it is the real banana, not hypothesis, that proves there is life and spirit. This scientific approach is the missing link between science and religion.
Just try exhausting scientific analytical mind until a point is arrived it is true there is life and Spirit dwelling inside..
jsaldea12
1.28.10
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Back to square one. Why is it true?
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You mean you are not aware there is life and spirit in you? And who is this that question me? You are not just made of matter,not just protons, quarks, etc. scientifically analyzed. For instance, this brain has some 100 billion cells. Religion cannot know that. But scientists know.The age of earth is some 5 billion years. Religion contradict, cannot know that, but we do with CERTAINTY. There are many, many certainty that we know, and would laugh at what religion cannot know. Thus, we are in better position to know than the religionists, to be more aware of our being, our life, and that that gives life.
jsaldea12
1.28.10
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Life exists and that's a scientifically valid conclusion.
There is no evidence for "spirit".
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I am aware that I am alive, but I have no reason to believe in spirits.
Yes, I am just made of matter. Is there some evidence or observation that suggests otherwise?
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This is one sad aspect of science…it cannot accept Spirit exists because it cannot be placed and seen in laboratory instruments…yes, we are composed of matter. Can matter gives life in us?. Try to analyze with our scientific mind, as matter is exhaustibly dissected, if it is possible for matter, alone, to be the source of life.? Just because there is no direct evidence, we refuse to believe? Yet, we continue to look, spending billions, building accelerators, for higgs particle, string, etc. .And we accept this to be scientific search. And yet, the most important of all, we refuse to accept? And yet there is evidence, US, the living. Whatever is that that gives life to gross matter is not matter.
Tell me, what is that visible vibration inside your closed eyes but open inside. Is it continually moving, never stopping, what is that? This should be one NEW scientific laboratory of life, of spirit that should be acceptably explored, not close scientific door
Jsaldea12
1.29.10.
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No, it is sad that you cannot see that you are inventing this spirit concept out of your own desires. Of course it is possible for matter alone to be the source of life. It is not only that there is no direct evidence for spirits, it's that there is no reason why there should be. What phenomena requires the concept of spirits in order to be explained?
As BC said we are evidence that we are alive, how are we evidence of spirits?
And BC also already explained that the 'visible vibration' inside your eyes is well understood. But you already came to your conclusion and are close minded to additional information because you want your view to be right.
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"Tell me, what is that visible vibration inside your closed eyes but open inside."
I did.
Anyway, the problem with believing things for which there's no evidence is where do you stop?
You believe in "spirit" even though there's no reason to.
What else do you believe?
Do you believe there are fairies at the bottom of my garden?
Do you believe there's an elephant behind you with it's trunk up your backside?
There's just a much evidence for these as there is for "spirit".
How do you choose which ones to believe?
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It is amazing that you do not believe in spirit. Do you mean you are matter only, that life comes from chemical reaction of matter? Can your eyes see itself...not reflection from a mirror.
Spirit is like that..it is in you but you do not believe it, yet you are alive. Is that all matter? Think again. you are in better position to know because you are a chemist.
Why do matter vibrate.It never stops.
jsaldea12
3.3.10
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It is not that amazing that I only believe in real things.
I hope the elephant doesn't sneeze.
Matter vibrates because it's warm and because of zero point energy.
BTW, why do you never answer questions?