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Congratulations to you and your people for inventing science. I've never been tempted to brag about my racial heritage; it just seems to get Germans into all sorts of trouble when they start doing that, and then no one wants to sit next to them at a dinner parties.
But give DonQ credit for the joke - I like it. And it also tells us that DonQ is a sinistral.
Offending nazis is not a crime, surely?
My Sheldrake's posted quotes do not necessarily reflect my own opinions or views on the subject,as they do not reflect those of this great site either :I just wanted to give you, people, his opinions views approaches ...on the subject : you're perfectly free to make of that what you wish to do ...Despite Sheldrake's flaws , i would prefer him way above the whole majority of the scientific mainstream establishment or community put together ,on the subject , simply because he's honest enough , a man with integrity and courage enough , to condemn and to try to refute that outdated false deceptive materialist dogmatic belief system in science ...to try to liberate science from materialism that way .He is also brave enough to dare enter a territory that's highly deceptive elusive indeed , by trying to tackle it : i think that , despite his pretty logical human flaws ,taking into consideration the fact that all sciences and the rest are still under that materialist backward false and outdated dominance , and taking into consideration the temporary scientific data and knowledge of this time and age of ours , he should be , and he might be in the near or far future , considered by the next generations as 1 of the greatest pioneers scientists who dared/dare to open up whole new vistas for science away from that materialist dominance prison, science has been confined to for so long now : his work might still seem at the childish or at the embryonary stage maybe , but that's how new eras of science begin ...........others might take it from there ,and might come up with visions approaches views that might revolutionize science , our understanding of science and the universe thus , in still unimaginable -to-us -all ways ...
Ho, ho , ho : stop your wild horses , cowgirl :That was no bragging : how can i brag about something done by others , i cannot even brag about the things i did / do = makes no sense .Why brag about anything for that matter ...I said the early muslims " invented " science : muslims are no race = 1 of Islam's core messages is to abolish eradicate and refute any kindda discrimination on the basis of belief , race , skin color , ethnic background, sex , ....in the Islamic sense .Islam that's against any kindda racism, sectarianism , fascism ...........Islam was even the first ever to proclaim the equality of all people ,as human beings regardless of their race , sex , belief , ethnicity ,skin color ........I was just trying to respond to that post of yours , in order to correct your obvious Eurocentric ignorance ,stereotypes, brainwash , prejudice ...on the subject ...that's all .
Quote from: cheryl j on 10/10/2013 05:03:25Congratulations to you and your people for inventing science. I've never been tempted to brag about my racial heritage; it just seems to get Germans into all sorts of trouble when they start doing that, and then no one wants to sit next to them at a dinner parties.Oy vey! You think you have troubles, already? Shalom.
Quote from: DonQuichotte on 10/10/2013 17:50:03Ho, ho , ho : stop your wild horses , cowgirl :That was no bragging : how can i brag about something done by others , i cannot even brag about the things i did / do = makes no sense .Why brag about anything for that matter ...I said the early muslims " invented " science : muslims are no race = 1 of Islam's core messages is to abolish eradicate and refute any kindda discrimination on the basis of belief , race , skin color , ethnic background, sex , ....in the Islamic sense .Islam that's against any kindda racism, sectarianism , fascism ...........Islam was even the first ever to proclaim the equality of all people ,as human beings regardless of their race , sex , belief , ethnicity ,skin color ........I was just trying to respond to that post of yours , in order to correct your obvious Eurocentric ignorance ,stereotypes, brainwash , prejudice ...on the subject ...that's all .Sorry if I'm a bit touchy on this subject. But whether it's "race" or "ethnicity" or "people whose ancestors came from a certain geographical area sharing certain familiar connections and cultural traditions," it always raises a red flag. When ever I hear certain accomplishments attributed to a race, religion or nation of people, I wonder - really? Were they all sitting in the room together when this was done? I suspect some nerdy scientist, recently or hundreds of years ago, who may have been ignored or even misunderstood by his neighbors or closest blood relatives, would have given anything to talk to any other human interested in the same idea, no matter what his color or religion or gender, in some foreign land. We take for granted this opportunity. So yes, when I hear some one boasting that this group invented this, or that group discovered that, it irks me a bit and makes me questions their motives in doing so.
QuoteOn the other hand, I'd like to point out that Canada (my adopted homeland) invented not only the dental mirror, but the paint roller as well. So there! And they invented Kevlar, so we can safely visit the United States. Those arrogant Americans like to take credit for the invention of the telephone, but Alexander Graham Bell was actually a Canadian, and his first words into it were not "Watson, come here, I want to see you." It was "Watson, we're out of beer. I want to see you." Necessity is the mother of invention, and after 200 stitches to his face, four broken noses, a fractured cheek and jawbone, and several concussions, hockey player Jaques Plante invented the goalie mask. (sheer brilliance!) Canadians also invented the snow mobile, snow plow and snow blower, after getting stranded in drifts for about 300 years. (Okay, they're not quick, but they do eventually come up with something.)
On the other hand, I'd like to point out that Canada (my adopted homeland) invented not only the dental mirror, but the paint roller as well. So there! And they invented Kevlar, so we can safely visit the United States. Those arrogant Americans like to take credit for the invention of the telephone, but Alexander Graham Bell was actually a Canadian, and his first words into it were not "Watson, come here, I want to see you." It was "Watson, we're out of beer. I want to see you." Necessity is the mother of invention, and after 200 stitches to his face, four broken noses, a fractured cheek and jawbone, and several concussions, hockey player Jaques Plante invented the goalie mask. (sheer brilliance!) Canadians also invented the snow mobile, snow plow and snow blower, after getting stranded in drifts for about 300 years. (Okay, they're not quick, but they do eventually come up with something.)
Quote from: cheryl j on 10/10/2013 05:03:25Congratulations to you and your people for inventing science. I've never been tempted to brag about my racial heritage; it just seems to get Germans into all sorts of trouble when they start doing that, and then no one wants to sit next to them at a dinner parties.Oy vey! You think you have troubles, already? Shalom. But give DonQ credit for the joke - I like it. And it also tells us that DonQ is a sinistral.
Quote from: DonQuichotte on 10/10/2013 18:19:49My Sheldrake's posted quotes do not necessarily reflect my own opinions or views on the subject,as they do not reflect those of this great site either :I just wanted to give you, people, his opinions views approaches ...on the subject : you're perfectly free to make of that what you wish to do ...Despite Sheldrake's flaws , i would prefer him way above the whole majority of the scientific mainstream establishment or community put together ,on the subject , simply because he's honest enough , a man with integrity and courage enough , to condemn and to try to refute that outdated false deceptive materialist dogmatic belief system in science ...to try to liberate science from materialism that way .He is also brave enough to dare enter a territory that's highly deceptive elusive indeed , by trying to tackle it : i think that , despite his pretty logical human flaws ,taking into consideration the fact that all sciences and the rest are still under that materialist backward false and outdated dominance , and taking into consideration the temporary scientific data and knowledge of this time and age of ours , he should be , and he might be in the near or far future , considered by the next generations as 1 of the greatest pioneers scientists who dared/dare to open up whole new vistas for science away from that materialist dominance prison, science has been confined to for so long now : his work might still seem at the childish or at the embryonary stage maybe , but that's how new eras of science begin ...........others might take it from there ,and might come up with visions approaches views that might revolutionize science , our understanding of science and the universe thus , in still unimaginable -to-us -all ways ...If you are going to post long passages from books without any accompanying comments, I can only assume you are using them to support your arguments, and that is why I respond to them the way I do. If you are just posting them to edify or entertain me, thank you. I did give me greater insight into his strange lack of factual knowledge underlying his conclusions.
Quote from: alancalverd on 10/10/2013 20:49:37But give DonQ credit for the joke - I like it. And it also tells us that DonQ is a sinistral.Also give him credit that despite the usual ill-mannered insults to me for pointing out his blunder, he did go back and edit his post to remove the offensive 'nazi' reference...
Haha If i am a sinistral. as you put it at least , and you like that joke , then , you are a sinistral as well , logically .I did just post that joke regarding another kind of materialism that should not be confused with the philosophical one i was talking about all along ...I have been accused of many things during my relatively short life up untill now , but i was never accused of being a sinistral before haha ..............
Materialism and Science are not the same thing.
Notice that in example number 2 we infer the existence of ball 2 because of the change in velocity of ball 1. We cannot directly experience ball 2, so our knowledge of ball 2 is limited by it's relationship to ball 1.
3) Imagine ball 1 moving on a trajectory toward ball 2. This time, imagine that ball 2 is invisible and has a one way causal relationship to ball 1. As ball 1 strikes ball 2, only ball 2 changes its velocity and ball 1 carries on at a constant speed, in a straight line.
Quote from: DonQuichotte on 11/10/2013 17:34:05Haha If i am a sinistral. as you put it at least , and you like that joke , then , you are a sinistral as well , logically .I did just post that joke regarding another kind of materialism that should not be confused with the philosophical one i was talking about all along ...I have been accused of many things during my relatively short life up untill now , but i was never accused of being a sinistral before haha ..............In that case you definitely have an oddly biased view of the world! Most people wear their watch on the left wrist, and the buttons are normally placed that way, but a few "hard lefties" prefer the right. QuoteMaterialism and Science are not the same thing.except, apparently, in your own ravings.Beware of selfcontradiction. Remember the fate of the Oozlum bird: not knowing whether it was coming or going, it changed direction so many times that it flew up its own arse and disappeared. Incidentally this is the basis of Continuum String Theory. QuoteNotice that in example number 2 we infer the existence of ball 2 because of the change in velocity of ball 1. We cannot directly experience ball 2, so our knowledge of ball 2 is limited by it's relationship to ball 1. What do you mean by "directly experience"? We infer the existence of 2 because of its observed effect on 1. But we inferred the existence of 1 from its interaction with photons that then interacted with our eyes. So what? It's an everyday observation: many people have heard cuckoos, few have seen them, and only other cuckoos have "directly experienced" a cuckoo, probably during the mating season (they are mostly solitary).Quote3) Imagine ball 1 moving on a trajectory toward ball 2. This time, imagine that ball 2 is invisible and has a one way causal relationship to ball 1. As ball 1 strikes ball 2, only ball 2 changes its velocity and ball 1 carries on at a constant speed, in a straight line.It is difficult, and certainly pointless, to conduct a thought experiment that defies the laws of nature. If momentum is not conserved in your universe, you are clearly not of this world, nor of any other with which we can interact.
I told you i was just responding to that post of yours earlier , didn't i? I see no point in repeating myself .I do even reject such notions or rather illusions such as nationality, nationalism , patriotism ....not to mention all those illusionary ridiculous "identities " based on race (White supremacists ....ku kulx klan haha , neo-nazis, skin heads ....Arab nationalism ....the mainstream global dominance of white Eurocentrism and white Eurocentric materialism ...Chinese nationalism , Turkish nationalism ...Russian nationalism ...), ethnicity , geography, belief .............P.S.: There are actually muslims from all nationalities, races, ethnic groups , skin color , sex, from different cultures, nations,geographies ..............Once again, universal Islam happened/ happens and will continue to happen proclaiming the obvious God-given equality of all peoples , regardless of their race , skin color, sex , belief , ethnicity .............
Quote from: dlorde on 10/10/2013 21:14:36Quote from: alancalverd on 10/10/2013 20:49:37But give DonQ credit for the joke - I like it. And it also tells us that DonQ is a sinistral.Also give him credit that despite the usual ill-mannered insults to me for pointing out his blunder, he did go back and edit his post to remove the offensive 'nazi' reference...Thanks for noticing : what a miracle .What offensive nazi reference by the way ? I just thought that Cheryl was alluding to the nazis when she talked about those bragging Germans about their racial heritage = my blunder and mistake , so, i just said that that nazi "comparison or analogy " was disgusting , insulting ............What, on earth, is wrong with your comprehension skills, friend ?
In the above first part of this post of yours , you expressed your legetimate suspicion skepticism and aversion regarding any race ,nationality ,geography . culture...based ideologies or manufactured illusionary "identities " based on race , ethnicity , sectarianism, geography , cultures , nationalities ...and rightly so, but ,then again, you immediatly went on boosting about the Canadian achievements ...= how paradoxical can you be ?