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Non Life Sciences => Physics, Astronomy & Cosmology => Topic started by: mriver8 on 20/09/2014 22:43:19

Title: Hypothetically speaking if silent sound, and EMF mind control was real?
Post by: mriver8 on 20/09/2014 22:43:19
Give me some methods you might use to protect yourself. As many ways as you can possibly think of.
Title: Re: Hypothetically speaking if silent sound, and EMF mind control was real?
Post by: RD on 21/09/2014 02:13:33
chain-mail ...
Title: Re: Hypothetically speaking if silent sound, and EMF mind control was real?
Post by: evan_au on 21/09/2014 02:46:50
earplugs?
Title: Re: Hypothetically speaking if silent sound, and EMF mind control was real?
Post by: PmbPhy on 21/09/2014 06:10:59
Quote from: mriver8
Give me some methods you might use to protect yourself. As many ways as you can possibly think of.
It's illogical to make an attempt to answer such a question since if there is no known observations and theory of it then we don't know how it works. If we don't know how it works then we can't tell you anything about how to make it stop working.

I'm curious. What made you think of asking such a question and didn't it occur to you that if it doesn't exist then we don't know how it works and as such if it did exist then we couldn't know how to make it not work? Thanks! :)
Title: Re: Hypothetically speaking if silent sound, and EMF mind control was real?
Post by: mriver8 on 21/09/2014 07:37:10
EMF Waves, and Ultrasound.
Title: Re: Hypothetically speaking if silent sound, and EMF mind control was real?
Post by: PmbPhy on 21/09/2014 07:40:23
EMF Waves, and Ultrasound.
That's a wonderful answer. What was the question to which it was the answer to?
Title: Re: Hypothetically speaking if silent sound, and EMF mind control was real?
Post by: mriver8 on 21/09/2014 07:44:01
EMF Waves, and Ultrasound.



Title: Re: Hypothetically speaking if silent sound, and EMF mind control was real?
Post by: yor_on on 21/09/2014 09:53:43
As I don't use youtube, would you mind defining what you mean by silent sound? And how it is dangerous? The 'Silent sound' I think of is when waves quench. And EM radiation isn't thoughts, never has been, never will be. You have electrochemical body constituents if that is what you mean?
Title: Re: Hypothetically speaking if silent sound, and EMF mind control was real?
Post by: alancalverd on 21/09/2014 13:01:45
To protect yourself against silent sound, just stand inside a square circle and wear a nonsequitur.
Title: Re: Hypothetically speaking if silent sound, and EMF mind control was real?
Post by: jeffreyH on 21/09/2014 14:02:39
To protect yourself against silent sound, just stand inside a square circle and wear a nonsequitur.

Or a tin foil hat. Come on get the technology right!
Title: Re: Hypothetically speaking if silent sound, and EMF mind control was real?
Post by: RD on 21/09/2014 14:28:39
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP-IweOk4k8

From the themes of mind-control , voices transmitted into their head, and government persecution , the creators of those YouTubes seem to have "positive" symptoms of mental illness.

Ultrasonic so-called subliminal-messages are incomprehensible ...

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and if you're over 40 years old, inaudible too (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presbycusis#Presentation).
Title: Re: Hypothetically speaking if silent sound, and EMF mind control was real?
Post by: alancalverd on 21/09/2014 21:21:27
Incomprehensible? It clearly says "Satan calling". Or it may be the bar code for decaf coffee. The two are easily confused.
Title: Re: Hypothetically speaking if silent sound, and EMF mind control was real?
Post by: mriver8 on 24/09/2014 23:07:01
The microwave auditory effect, also known as the microwave hearing effect or the Frey effect, consists of audible clicks (or, with speech modulation, spoken words) induced by pulsed/modulated microwave frequencies. The clicks are generated directly inside the human head without the need of any receiving electronic device. The effect was first reported by persons working in the vicinity of radar transponders during World War II. These induced sounds are not audible to other people nearby. The microwave auditory effect was later discovered to be inducible with shorter-wavelength portions of the electromagnetic spectrum. During the Cold War era, the American neuroscientist Allan H. Frey studied this phenomenon and was the first to publish[1] information on the nature of the microwave auditory effect.

Pulsed microwave radiation can be heard by some workers; the irradiated personnel perceive auditory sensations of clicking or buzzing. The cause is thought to be thermoelastic expansion of portions of auditory apparatus.[2] The auditory system response occurs at least from 200 MHz to at least 3 GHz. In the tests, repetition rate of 50 Hz was used, with pulse width between 10–70 microseconds. The perceived loudness was found to be linked to the peak power density instead of average power density. At 1.245 GHz, the peak power density for perception was below 80 mW/cm2.[citation needed] However, competing theories explain the results of interferometric holography tests differently. [3]
Title: Re: Hypothetically speaking if silent sound, and EMF mind control was real?
Post by: mriver8 on 24/09/2014 23:09:00
Lol. I guess I mean microwave deflection.
Title: Re: Hypothetically speaking if silent sound, and EMF mind control was real?
Post by: RD on 25/09/2014 00:13:40
... At 1.245 GHz, the peak power density for perception was below 80 mW/cm2.[citation needed]

That's 800 Watts per square meter : around two orders of magnitude below sticking your head in a microwave oven, where you'd hear your head cooking like a TV-dinner.

If microwaves were the source of the voices in the head there would have to be an unobstructed line-of-site between the voice-hearer and very powerful microwave source , e.g. a one kiloWatt source in the same room.

Quote from: wikipedia.org/Microwave_transmission
A disadvantage is that microwaves are limited to line of sight propagation; they cannot pass around hills or mountains as lower frequency radio waves can
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_transmission#Uses

If they can still hear the voice at constant volume in all the rooms of their home then auditory hallucination (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auditory_hallucination) is by the far the most probable explanation, not mind-control rays from the government.
Title: Re: Hypothetically speaking if silent sound, and EMF mind control was real?
Post by: yor_on on 26/09/2014 07:51:31
You want to imagine what could be?
Try this one. http://www.technologyreview.com/featuredstory/401641/ultrawideband-squeezes-in/
Title: Re: Hypothetically speaking if silent sound, and EMF mind control was real?
Post by: mriver8 on 26/09/2014 10:29:30
... At 1.245 GHz, the peak power density for perception was below 80 mW/cm2.[citation needed]

That's 800 Watts per square meter : around two orders of magnitude below sticking your head in a microwave oven, where you'd hear your head cooking like a TV-dinner.

If microwaves were the source of the voices in the head there would have to be an unobstructed line-of-site between the voice-hearer and very powerful microwave source , e.g. a one kiloWatt source in the same room.

Quote from: wikipedia.org/Microwave_transmission
A disadvantage is that microwaves are limited to line of sight propagation; they cannot pass around hills or mountains as lower frequency radio waves can
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_transmission#Uses

If they can still hear the voice at constant volume in all the rooms of their home then auditory hallucination (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auditory_hallucination) is by the far the most probable explanation, not mind-control rays from the government.

From what I read about the Frey Effect the subject doesn't hear actual sound just language the brain interprets as coming from a sound source without actually hearing it aloud. But all this is sort of off the subject of what I was asking. Would you opt for a conductive material, or grounded metal? A grounded metal hat would seem sort of impractical no? Lets imagine hypothetically 100 years from now we were in an all out war, and all the countries of the world had practical field weapons that utilized EMF waves, sound waves directed at a person's head. How would you go about designing protective headwear as easily as possible?
Title: Re: Hypothetically speaking if silent sound, and EMF mind control was real?
Post by: RD on 26/09/2014 14:06:06
... all the countries of the world had practical field weapons that utilized EMF waves ... directed at a person's head. How would you go about designing protective headwear as easily as possible?

Like I said previously, chain-mail would do the job , kitchen-foil would do at a pinch (https://www.flickr.com/photos/robnwatkins/397488557/?rb=1).

[ Proof of concept ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booster_bag (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booster_bag) ].

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