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General Discussion & Feedback => Just Chat! => Topic started by: DoctorBeaver on 06/04/2009 09:38:35
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Having succeeded in making smoking illegal just about everywhere except the far side of Pluto, ASH, the anti-smoking group, are now targeting drivers. However, they are not the only group of do-gooders struggling to justify their existence.
The Keep Britain Tidy campaign, which is largely responsible for the possibility of a £2,500 fine for dropping a bogie in a public place, are also scraping the barrel for further targets. In their eyes the new pariahs are postmen.
From the BBC News website: (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7984849.stm)
Postal workers who drop red rubber bands used for bundling letters in the street are being targeted by anti-litter campaigners.
Now, these are not huge bands capable of securing a regiment of paratroopers. They are small & thin - just standard rubber bands.
The article goes on to say:
It claimed 6% of England's streets were littered with rubber bands, as well as many private driveways and paths.
Really? Where are these mountains of red rubber bands? Admittedly, I don't go around with my eyes glued to the pavement looking for litter, but I am a pretty observant little rodent; yet I have seen no evidence of this newly-identified threat to society. I do not have to wade waist-deep through rubber bands to get a kebab. Nor have I ever noticed specially adapted snow ploughs clearing the way. Methinks there may be a teeny-weeny bit of hyperbole involved in their claim.
According to the article, KBT also say that "There are concerns that the bands could be dangerous to animals if swallowed.".
Well yes, they could swallow them; but that doesn't mean they will. I have spent my entire life in close contact with animals and I cannot recall a single case of an animal being hurt or killed as the result of swallowing a rubber band. Most animals will swallow something if they consider it to be food (and occasionally domestic pets swallow items from around the house) but not by any stretch of the imagination do rubber bands resemble the prey of any animal I know of (although I do allow that a bird could possibly mistake a rubber band for a worm with its head stuck up its own backside).
Nor would a foraging animal be interested. There are enough sources of food in our towns and cities to support an ever-increasing number of mice, rats & urban foxes.
I must admit to an amount of sympathy with the KBT brigade and others of their ilk. The threat of extinction due to sanitisation is looming and the "fight or flight" mechanism has obviously kicked in. There is nowhere for them to run, so they have chosen to fight - and their opponents are largely figments of their own imagination.
The beaver has spoken!
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I'd miss those rubber bands. I pick them up from our drive and save them; I have a basket full of them.
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Dr B, that's one extinction I would happily bear.
I heard a report some time ago that these red rubber bands decompose quite quickly.
While working on a show at Alexandra Palace a couple of years ago, a Health & Safety officer told me I must wear a hard hat whist operating a fork truck. I pointed out to her that if the protective steel cage I was sitting in didn't stop something smashing my brains out, then a plastic hat certainly wouldn't. Alighting from the truck, I said to her "I don't have to wear a hard hat now, do I?" "No", she replied. [???] [???] [???]
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The Keep Britain Tidy campaign, which is largely responsible for the possibility of a £2,500 fine for dropping a bogie in a public place, are also scraping the barrel for further targets. In their eyes the new pariahs are postmen.
While I do not see anything particularly harmful about rubber bands, I think the laziness that accompanies anyone who drops litter ( purposefully) is what needs targetting. The silly outlining of postman of the KBT is just an example-making exercise. People who drop litter are one of my bug bears, I can't stand it! Cigarette smokers who throw their butts out of car windows should be lined up and squirted with sewerage in my opinion.
I am also a non-smoker, and support ASH with what they have done so far, but I do think trying to target drivers in private cars is sheer lunacy.
If people what to drop litter in their house or smoke themselves into a fog in their cars then leave them alone to do it, just make sure they don't inflict it on the rest of us!!
The Pox has spoken! LOL
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As Don has veered into having a go at health and safety...
A particularly annoying H and S directive (although there are too many to mention) is the requirement to have these plastic lids when carrying hot drinks. At heathrow airport the other week I bought a coffee and, having had a previous experience of trying to drink through the "feeder" in the thin plastic lid and burning my mouth, I decided to remove the lid and drink as normal. Being rather encumbered with a bag I was a little careless with the amount of grip I had on the cup whilst removing the lid. I belatedly realised that much of the cup's rigidity derives from the said lid and removing it results in, as they say in Star Trek, a loss of structural integrity. I got sprayed with boiling coffee and lost much of the contents to boot. D'oh!
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I wish someone would outlaw using chewing gum in a public place - those black splodges on pavements are just disgusting.
Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a H&S issue attached to it.
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belatedly realised that much of the cup's rigidity derives from the said lid and removing it results in, as they say in Star Trek, a loss of structural integrity. I got sprayed with boiling coffee and lost much of the contents to boot. D'oh!
[;D] [;D] Sorry I shouldn't laugh!! Thats just the sort of thing I do though, I hope you didn't get too burn't! The fault lies witht he compnay for buying cheap, poorly made plastic cups.
What gets me is if you go into a resturant and order a cup of coffee you get it in a cup, but you have just as much chance of spilling it over yourself and being burnt. But some resturants now refuse to give you a jug of hot water to heat a baby's bottle or food up with, in case you get burnt, but you can still buy a cup of tea or coffee.
Its all litigation-motivated pedantic directives, the same sort of mindsets that determine that xmas tress maybe offensive or ordering a black coffee might be racist, when no one of any creed or culture that I have spoken to would be offended by either.
Is all done on behalf of us because apparently we cannot think for ourselves, therefore if someone does the thinking for us, then it willbe a safer world. Pfffft! [::)]
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I wish someone would outlaw using chewing gum in a public place - those black splodges on pavements are just disgusting.
Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a H&S issue attached to it.
Now that I totally agree with. Not outlawing chewing it in public places, but the discarding of such on the pavement.
Pox - Whilst agreeing with what you say about litter being horrible, saying Britain's streets are "littered" with these red rubber bands is a deliberately misleading phrase. I walked into town earlier, walked around the shops, then walked back home a different way. I was keeping an eye out for rubber bands and did not see a single 1.
You support what ASH has done, do you? Do you realise that were I still a freelance computer consultant it would now be illegal for me to smoke in my own home? It would also be illegal for me to smoke in my car. The reason? My home was my registered head office and sometimes clients would come there. That makes it a place of work. Similarly, my car was a company vehicle and as such it would be illegal to smoke in it even though no clients ever travelled in it. And who is responsible for such nonsense? ASH.
Something else ASH is largely responsible for - In 2005 & 2006 between 200 & 300 pubs closed in each of those years. The smoking ban in pubs & clubs was introduced in 2007. Guess what - over 2500 pubs & clubs closed within a year. That's a lot of people thrown out of work and in many cases thrown out of their homes. Banbury isn't a big place, yet 2 pubs and 3 clubs in or near the town centre have closed since the ban was introduced and at least 2 more pubs are really struggling to survive now. I don't know about the outlying areas.
That ban was introduced so that staff didn't have to breathe other people's smoke. Who was forcing those people to work in pubs? Were they threatened with a bullet through the head if they didn't? If they didn't like smoke they shouldn't have been working in a pub or club in the first place. That legislation is as absurd and unnecessary as banning upstairs windows so that window cleaners don't have to put themselves at risk by climbing ladders!
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Postal workers who drop red rubber bands used for bundling letters in the street are being targeted by anti-litter campaigners.
What with opening your mail up to steal the birthday / christmas money inside, I am suprised the posties have time to drop elastic bands.
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You support what ASH has done, do you? Do you realise that were I still a freelance computer consultant it would now be illegal for me to smoke in my own home? It would also be illegal for me to smoke in my car. The reason? My home was my registered head office and sometimes clients would come there. That makes it a place of work. Similarly, my car was a company vehicle and as such it would be illegal to smoke in it even though no clients ever travelled in it. And who is responsible for such nonsense? ASH.
There are goping to be daft exceptions to every new bit of legislation,. thats just how it works unfortunately. Poimnt is it is still beneficial to those who dont smoke to to have to put up with smoke in workplaces.
Something else ASH is largely responsible for - In 2005 & 2006 between 200 & 300 pubs closed in each of those years. The smoking ban in pubs & clubs was introduced in 2007. Guess what - over 2500 pubs & clubs closed within a year. That's a lot of people thrown out of work and in many cases thrown out of their homes. Banbury isn't a big place, yet 2 pubs and 3 clubs in or near the town centre have closed since the ban was introduced and at least 2 more pubs are really struggling to survive now. I don't know about the outlying areas.
I have heard the pro-smoking lobby makes that claim lots of times. Those pubs would have closed regardless if people can smoke in them of not, people who regularly go tot he pub, the bread and butter as it were are STILL going to their local pub, and diving outside for a fag everynow and then.
If the pubs are not doing the barrelage they they should have been doing to sustain them then its an indictment of modern society with more of the younger generation chosing to drink in town rather than in some of the more rural pubs And it is an example of the present economic climate, with people having less money to spend. Also it indicates that people are now either spending the money on supermarket or booze cruise alcohol, and staying at home to drink, or they are drinking more at home before they go out whereas before they would have gone straight to the pub.
That ban was introduced so that staff didn't have to breathe other people's smoke. Who was forcing those people to work in pubs? Were they threatened with a bullet through the head if they didn't? If they didn't like smoke they shouldn't have been working in a pub or club in the first place. That legislation is as absurd and unnecessary as banning upstairs windows so that window cleaners don't have to put themselves at risk by climbing ladders!
No it was introduced to people could go to a pub and not have to passive smoke. Why should non-smokers have to risk their health just to be able to enjoy a pint like smokers do? You would say the legislation is ridiculous as you are a smoker, all smokers do because they are the ones it affects. It means actually having to go outside for 5 mins!! No one forces non-smokers to go to the pub, but then no one forces smokers to smoke!! They can choose not to, they just dont and consider it ok to subject others to it. I consider the rights of people to be able to enjoy the pub without passive smoking far greater than those who choose to smoke. I am not against smoking as such, people should live their lives how they want without pictures of body parts on a pack or warnings, that really is completely pointless.
Until last Sept I was working part-time in a pub, so I was there when the smoking ban came in. My boss and most of the staff didnt like it as they all smoked, and it meant having to ensure adequate outside facilities for smokers. But in terms of killing trade it disn't make much differnce, there wasn't one regular pub-goer who didn't come in anymore because of the smoking ban, they just moaned a bit and went outside for a fag. That indicates that going down to the pub for social interation and drink is more important to them than being able to sit inside and smoke. A pub is a place for social interaction, it is not a smoking room. I actually think a smoking room should have been given as an alternative to outside, as long as it was seperate from the main bar and clearly designated as such.
On the elastic band point I couldn't agree more, I hardly ever see them, I always pick them up if i do as they are useful. So littered was a big exaggeration.
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I have heard the pro-smoking lobby makes that claim lots of times. Those pubs would have closed regardless if people can smoke in them of not, people who regularly go tot he pub, the bread and butter as it were are STILL going to their local pub, and diving outside for a fag everynow and then.
Not so. That is propoganda from the anti-smoking lobby and has no basis in reality. It is nothing more than an effort by those who are responsible for so many job losses in the industry to convince people they were not responsible.
Here are some facts, not spin:
The pub that used to be my local had a good crowd nearly every night. Now it's barely worth their while opening during the week and even at weekends there aren't many people in there any more.
I regularly meet people I used to drink with in there and I can't count how many of them have told me that they don't go to the pub now because they can't enjoy a ciggie with their pint. They now stay at home with a few cans.
The landlord of another pub in Banbury, 1 that has closed, reckons his custom roughly halved as a direct result of the ban. 1 of the clubs had a similar reduction in customers and it became unviable for them to stay open.
Those 2 establishments were doing well. When the ban was introduced, they died.
I also happen to know that of the 4 pubs that have closed where I used to live in Suffolk, 3 were as a direct result of the ban. The other 1 closed because the landlord turned it into a restaurant before he went broke. That means that 5 of the 6 establishments that I actually know the circumstances of have closed as a direct result of the smoking ban.
The landlord I know in Banbury told me that a lot of pubs were indeed struggling prior to the ban, but were keeping afloat. The introduction of the ban was the final straw.
This is information direct from the people who actually know what is going on. It didn't come from those who supply the bullshit the government and lobby groups churn out.
So don't tell me the ban isn't responsible for so many pubs and clubs closing when I have unequivocal proof that it is.
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No it was introduced to people could go to a pub and not have to passive smoke. Why should non-smokers have to risk their health just to be able to enjoy a pint like smokers do?
They didn't have to. If I didn't want to breathe smoke I would go to a no-smoking pub. They existed before the ban.
I am neither pro- nor anti-smoking. I am pro-choice. It should have been left to landlords to decide whether or not to allow smoking.
Incidentally, I wouldn't call myself a smoker as such. I have 3 or 4 a week and it bothers me not 1 tad if I go somewhere smoking is not allowed.
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Here are some facts, not spin:
The pub that used to be my local had a good crowd nearly every night. Now it's barely worth their while opening during the week and even at weekends there aren't many people in there any more.
I regularly meet people I used to drink with in there and I can't count how many of them have told me that they don't go to the pub now because they can't enjoy a ciggie with their pint. They now stay at home with a few cans.
The very low price of supermarket booze is more of a factor in pubs closing than the smoking ban ...
Asda lager offer comes under fire
Wednesday, 08 October 2008
Asda has been criticised for selling packs of Skol lager cheaper than the price of water, something opponents claimed is adding to underage drinking problems.
Alcohol Concern's Don Shenker said that the deal - which sees four 440ml cans on offer for 90p - is encouraging binge drinking.
http://www.talkingretail.com/news/industry-news/11065-asda-lager-offer-comes-under-fire.html
[they'd have to pay me to drink Skol lager [xx(] ]
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Not so. That is propoganda from the anti-smoking lobby and has no basis in reality. It is nothing more than an effort by those who are responsible for so many job losses in the industry to convince people they were not responsible.
Nope if aything it is my propaganda based on what I have seen and observed over the years, not just since the ban came in.
So don't tell me the ban isn't responsible for so many pubs and clubs closing when I have unequivocal proof that it is.
What you have is anecdotal evidence, landlords, smokers and people otherwise in not in favor of the ban will always state the ban is responsible, after all no landlord will admit their pub is worse off/closed for other reasons, even if it is somehing attributable to the modern social climate of driking. Even if what they have said is 100% true, it is still only a few select cases. I could go int othe pubs in my toen and ask people how the ban has affected them, the smokers will moan, and the landlords will join in to appease their customers. No landlord is going to want the slightest chance of people being put off coming into the pub.
They didn't have to. If I didn't want to breathe smoke I would go to a no-smoking pub. They existed before the ban.
I am neither pro- nor anti-smoking. I am pro-choice. It should have been left to landlords to decide whether or not to allow smoking.
Incidentally, I wouldn't call myself a smoker as such. I have 3 or 4 a week and it bothers me not 1 tad if I go somewhere smoking is not allowed.
There were barely any, its not a matter of non-smokers not wanting to breathe in smoke ( although I doubt many if any would) its to protect non-smokers from the effects of passive smoking.
I am pro-choice, which is why I think smoking shouldn't be banned altogether, but no one has taken smokers choice away. All it means is that they smoke outside a building not inside. They can still smoke when they go to the pub, and enjoy a ciggy, if need be taking their pint out with them if it means that much! If they really find the idea of having to nip outside for 5 mins that bad they can always exercise their right NOT to smoke! No one is making them smoke after all.
As RD says the low price of alcohol is the most critical factor is causing pubs to shut, that combined with changing modern society and also different ways of socialising. It used to be that in order to meet new people, one had to get out to a pastime, social club or more commonly the pub. Now all we have to do is flick a switch and we are connected to the world. There has been an explosion of 'pre-club' and 'sports' bars, the former being noisy loud trendy places in town that attract a big crowd of 20 somethings, the latter being pubs that have the big widescreens and sky to feature all the major sporting events. Both of those have had a knock on effect on traditional pubs.
PS I anyone watching Newsnight??
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The very low price of supermarket booze is more of a factor in pubs closing than the smoking ban
But if you want to believe what the government says, and there are obviously those here who do, most of the booze bought in supermarkets is consumed by younger people before they go on to pubs and clubs or it is bought for underage drinkers.
So which is it?
Heather - it's getting late & I'm tired so I'll address your latest points tomorrow. Good night everyone.
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Pubs are closing because of the smoking ban. Forget what the government says, listen to the publicans.
It would have been quite legal for any pub to have banned smoking before the law enforced it. Why do you think they didn't?
It is illegal for me to smoke in my van because it is a place of work, yet I do not employ anyone. Those whom I use to do work for me are self employed and do not travel in my van. I use my car occasionally for work, strictly speaking, it is illegal for me to smoke in my car. I use a room in my home for my bookwork, I break the law when I light up.
An owner-driver delivering parcels was recently fined for smoking in his own van also a painter & decorator has been fined despite the fact that his van is insured only for private use and journey's to & from his place of work.
Lets not kid ourselves, ASH DO want to ban smoking in all public places, including private cars.
Our freedom of choice is being eroded by these burks with nothing better to do than poke their noses into our affairs.
I find the smell of aniseed and spring onions repulsive, I demand they be banned in public places.
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in india pubs are banned and trashed
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http://www.holymoly.com/page/NewsDetail/0,,12643~1615221,00.html
Perhaps we should also ban stupid celebrities?
Gwyneth Paltrow claims that shampoo can cause cancer
If you're stupid enough to read Gwyneth Paltrow's online new age magazine 'Goop' then you're certainly idiotic enough to believe every word she says. So there were seven or eight people who read Gwyneth's comments about shampoo containing "environmental toxins" and immediately ran screaming from their houses and waving their arms in the air.
Dr. Gwyneth (currently putting the 'mental' into 'environmental') claimed that she had completed a large amount of research into the subject (which naturally makes her a bit of an expert, what with being able to read and Google things). This led her to declare that shampoos and lotions can cause asthma and cancer and warned pregnant women away from their use (just what we want, a load of smelly-haired pregnant women).
"Fetuses, infants and toddlers are basically unable to metabolize toxins the way adults are, and we are constantly filling our environment with chemicals that may or may not be safe."
Wow, it really sounds as though she knows what she's talking about, doesn't it (apart from not being able to spell 'foetus' correctly)? Luckily, here's my favourite academic of the year so far. Professor Hugh Pennington who rubbishes Gwyneth's claims and the woman herself in the process.
"It does annoy me when celebrities use their position to spout nonsense. They have a perfect right to their views, even if they are loopy, but they do hold a position of influence…Shampoo is perfectly safe unless you drink it in large quantities."
Hooray! Nice one Prof. Now, what do you think about Paris Hilton's new range of sunglasses?
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Perhaps we should also ban stupid celebrities?
Oh yes please!
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I am not sure that it is true that the smoking ban is responsible for pub closures, despite anecdotal evidence of landlords. There are many factors, not the least being a no drink and drive culture which it is hard for pub landlords to publicly argue against. Many good country pubs can't be easily visited without a car and it is all very well to say that people should get a taxi or have a non-drinking driver, but this is a big deterrent. The no-smoking environment in pubs makes them a more attractive place to go for many people now, including many smokers I know. Personally I do not hanker after the days of the smoke filled room and brown (once white) walls whilst I sup a decent pint or 4.
Landlords would wish to not exclude any custom so having any rule that excludes a section of society would seem bad to them. Without the rule being enforced I doubt whether there would be many non-smoking pubs but a lot of pubs with a small room for the non-smokers. The balance has changed from the past when if you wanted to have a sociable evening with some friends you were obliged to go into a smokey area so the smokers among you could partake. Now it is the other way around. Of course as a non-smoker this is preferable to me though I do understand that this is not allowing the same freedom of choice to smokers. However I know many smokers who would never travel in the smoking carriages in trains because of the disgusting state of a floor littered with dog-ends and the stench of stale smoke. Maybe, like the introduction of compulsory seatbelts in cars or laws against racism, it needs some rules to be used as a form of social engineering to change attitudes. Generally I don't like rules and sympathise with some of the crazy consequences, but I have to grudgingly agree that sometimes they work to change people's views on issues.
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Pubs are closing because of the smoking ban. Forget what the government says, listen to the publicans.
I dont listen to what the government says, on any issue, unless of course it is so I can ridicule them
All I am saying is that the smoking ban itself has not caused pubs to close, it may have contributed slightly, but no where near as much as smokers or publicans would have us believe, im made my thoughts as to why in a previous post so I wont repeat them.
It is illegal for me to smoke in my van because it is a place of work, yet I do not employ anyone. Those whom I use to do work for me are self employed and do not travel in my van. I use my car occasionally for work, strictly speaking, it is illegal for me to smoke in my car. I use a room in my home for my bookwork, I break the law when I light up.
An owner-driver delivering parcels was recently fined for smoking in his own van also a painter & decorator has been fined despite the fact that his van is insured only for private use and journey's to & from his place of work.
See now that I do find ridiculous, and that is where the law needs amending.
But you are still taling from a biased point of view because you are a smoker.
Our freedom of choice is being eroded by these burks with nothing better to do than poke their noses into our affairs.
But it its your choice to smoke, that hasnt been takena way from you and I would not like to see it taken away. What has been taken away is smokers being allowed to smoke in pubs and the like, and non-smokers have been given the right to enjoy the pub etc without risking their health.
Whyon earth should anyone suffer because a smoker cant be bothered to nip outside for a fag???
I find the smell of aniseed and spring onions repulsive, I demand they be banned in public places.
Again you are missing the point, its not the smell issue its the health. You smokers can ignore the health risks of smoking all you like.... thats your choice... but passive smoking is a health risk to others, and all smokers do is moan about the inconvenience of having to nip outside for a ciggie.
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Perhaps we should also ban stupid celebrities?
On yes please!!!!! In fact ban celeb culture!!
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I didn't know celebs were grown in a culture, although it makes sense now that you say it...
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I agree that it is not fair to subject non-smokers to a smoky environment. But that is no excuse for dictating when & where I can smoke. Nobody complained when smoking was allowed on the top deck of a bus, or in certain carridges of a train, so why ban it, why not have smoking & non-smoking bars in a pub?
The point is we are not being given the choice. One group or another decides they don't like something and the next thing you know is we are all compelled to do as they wish.
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I didn't know celebs were grown in a culture, although it makes sense now that you say it...
Oh yes, look, here's one emerging from a green slimy culture now!
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It really is Spring - there appears to be a pair of Great tits nesting in there.
(Obvious comment, I know - I just couldn't help it)
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And here's a Bearded Tit.
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Sorry, here's a Bearded Tit
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That's a bearded chin! I feel robbed...
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No this is a bearded tit...
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That's a bearded chin! I feel robbed...
I somehow had a sneaking suspicion someone would say that.
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Actually, I think Variola's bearded tit is better!
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Actually, I think Variola's bearded tit is better!
My tits don't look like that!!!!!!!!!! [:o] [:o]
Mine have a goatee.....
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Actually, I think Variola's bearded tit is better!
My tits don't look like that!!!!!!!!!! [:o] [:o]
Mine have a goatee.....
Far too much information!
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Far too much information!
Well I've got to give Jambib something to think about...
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Far too much information!
Well I've got to give Jambib something to think about...
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Actually, I think Variola's bearded tit is better!
My tits don't look like that!!!!!!!!!! [:o] [:o]
Mine have a goatee.....
Then that's probably not your tits....
(This is getting somewhat risque...)
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Did I miss something?
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I think Variola should provide a picture, that way we can decide whether her tits are great or not <<blush mode on>>
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Actually, I think Variola's bearded tit is better!
My tits don't look like that!!!!!!!!!! [:o] [:o]
Mine have a goatee.....
Then that's probably not your tits....
(This is getting somewhat risque...)
What can I usefully add, without getting banned?
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I think Variola should provide a picture, that way we can decide whether her tits are great or not <<blush mode on>>
Blush mode?? How d'ya think you are kidding???
My tits
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I had got a bit cold...
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What can I usefully add, without getting banned?
Do you ever add anything useful then??? [:P] [:P] [;D]
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I was going to say: "Your tits are nice..." D'OH!
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What can I usefully add, without getting banned?
Do you ever add anything useful then??? [:P] [:P] [;D]
Yes, I add milk to coffee, that's quite useful. Unless you drink black coffee.
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and along the same theme, here is a nice piece of muff.
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What can I usefully add, without getting banned?
Do you ever add anything useful then??? [:P] [:P] [;D]
Yes, I add milk to coffee, that's quite useful. Unless you drink black coffee.
Well if you have the kettle on.. I'll have white with one please!!
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and along the same theme, here is a nice piece of muff.
Find a tone, someone will lower it.
Here is a nice knob I saw the other day.
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Man with a very big cock.
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Right.
Here is my Chocolate Starfish.
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Aye?
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Aye?
Chocolate Starfish (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Chocolate%20Star-Fish)
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Ah! I see.....
....NOT!
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This is a genuine picture of my pu5sy
http://s245.photobucket.com/albums/gg60/non-refundable2007/?action=view¤t=dingle-2.jpg (http://s245.photobucket.com/albums/gg60/non-refundable2007/?action=view¤t=dingle-2.jpg)
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Aye?
Chocolate Starfish (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Chocolate%20Star-Fish)
Im still laughing at that... [;)] Innocent C4M is learning new things everyday from us crude lot..
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Haha! The forum blocked you from writing *****! Nice pic. Btw - how do you stop the fishy smell?
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Here's a wonderful pair of beef curtains:
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi30.twenga.com%2F3%2Ftp%2F16%2F24%2F7280967052983921624b.png&hash=4bed5ab86f27055f8001eef46659a079)
*NEW* BROWN SUEDE/LEATHER Lined Curtains 52" x 90"
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Haha! The forum blocked you from writing *****! Nice pic. Btw - how do you stop the fishy smell?
Plenty of worming tablets!!
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Here is a nice nipple
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hoseshop.co.nz%2Fimages%2Fproducts%2Ftn_br_plumb_washingmachine.jpg&hash=15bb31e74288aa1a7255c52a036f5ea6)
HD WASHING MACHINE NIPPLE
<<<<< wonders how many puerile people managed to get onto this forum... [:)]
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Here's a wonderful pair of beef curtains:
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi30.twenga.com%2F3%2Ftp%2F16%2F24%2F7280967052983921624b.png&hash=4bed5ab86f27055f8001eef46659a079)
*NEW* BROWN SUEDE/LEATHER Lined Curtains 52" x 90"
Mate - I actually snorted out load there.
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<<<<< wonders how many puerile people managed to get onto this forum... [:)]
I really don't know what you are suggesting. (https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbestsmileys.com%2Flol%2F4.gif&hash=dc0017defb1737ae43c0ff6efcb35b2a)
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All of us, it seems.
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Here's a nice pic of boobies...
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nhptv.org%2Fnatureworks%2Fgraphics%2Fbluefootedbooby.jpg&hash=a7a163063d52de7fd2e3a7012280308b)
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Yes, the Blue-footed booby - Sula nebouxii related to our Gannet. [:0]
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(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbestsmileys.com%2Flol%2F5.gif&hash=45470f1ff84bfb0b1c61e9d6109d521f)(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbestsmileys.com%2Flol%2F1.gif&hash=d8e6686452e290c988dbac6c3e01d75a) (https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbestsmileys.com%2Flol%2F5.gif&hash=45470f1ff84bfb0b1c61e9d6109d521f)(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbestsmileys.com%2Flol%2F1.gif&hash=d8e6686452e290c988dbac6c3e01d75a) (https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbestsmileys.com%2Flol%2F5.gif&hash=45470f1ff84bfb0b1c61e9d6109d521f)
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Unfortunately, I could not find a suitable picture of a cameltoe, so I pinched this from Eth...
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Here are cameltoes just for you Paul
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmistupid.com%2Fpictures%2Fimages%2Fcameltoe.jpg&hash=a358b2484a6928dd88003616e057a31c)
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi273.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fjj232%2Fwhosdaboss%2F2008%2Fcameltoe.jpg&hash=17bc6604c8d84a260caa5c675f13e420)
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jossip.com%2Fwp%2Fdocs%2F2007%2F12%2Fmarc-jacobs-cameltoe.JPG&hash=9f0569b6f31a2beac0a122689e98c42c)
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And here is some spunk
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Here's a one eyed python.
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.constrictors.com%2Fimages%2FBallPythons%2FLeucistic%2FLucy0930.jpg&hash=71dc2476b75620d62f6f9b06670c8341)
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and here is the last turkey in the shop.
Gobble gobble, anyone?
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Just a min........ ZZzzzzzip
Ah! Thats it, now I can take a picture of my......
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And here is my wet hairy beaver..... especially for the Doctor. [;D]
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm1.static.flickr.com%2F227%2F507083019_fd1111c79c_m.jpg&hash=1db62138f562164e108da12236ea4711)
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and here is the first fanny ever seen on TV
"I hope your doughnuts all end up like Fanny's"
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What the heck is the one eyed python?
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What the heck is the one eyed python?
A one-eyed trouser snake
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Okay, I think I get the picture. [:D]
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Thank you Monika.
and here is a picture of someone having just bashed the bishop!
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Lets hope this topic does not get out of hand.
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The topic is already out of any hands available ever...
Truely a hand job I'd say.
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I wouldn't mind a second-hand job. [:)]
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Why do so many threads end up in the gutter?
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.stats-clan.com%2Fimages%2F800px-Sherman_Tank_WW2.jpg&hash=1e1767ea0e424ef64738e1cc752b757a)
Need I say?
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Aye?
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This is just after I chucked my nuts into the sink
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Aye?
Does nothing ever happen in NZ? Tank, get it? Sounds a lot like BUM!
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An elderly gent struggled to the counter of an ice cream parlour and asked for a strawberry sundae.
"Crushed nuts?" enquired the young serving girl.
"No" said the elderly gent "rheumatism".
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Aye?
Does nothing ever happen in NZ? Tank, get it? Sounds a lot like BUM!
This thread is successfully corrupting innocent guys from NZ... *snkr*
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Perhaps this topic is the place for this...
Shudder Known Better
Miley Cyrus still sleeps with her parents
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09.04.2009
Had a good shudder yet today? Here's your chance with the news that teenage starlet Miley Cyrus had admitted that despite being sixteen and in a relationship with a model, she occasionally creeps into her parents bed in the middle of the night. Some people have commented that Billy Ray Cyrus' relationship with his daughter is already a little creepy, what with escorting her to photoshoots and generally having a big hand in her career. Well, this news really isn't going to help.
Miley was talking to a reporter from Glamour magazine and continued talking even though her interviewer was shuddering too hard to write down a single word.
"At times I feel I'm very mature for my age, but other times I feel very immature. I still like to sleep with my parents sometimes."
Oops! There's the shudder again. You'd imagine that Miley would be surrounded by aides who would immediately stop the interview, then stop her pocket money for a month, but no, she was allowed to continue,
"I'll go into their bedroom and snuggle with my mom, because I've been working all day and haven't seen her. I'm not around other people my age that much, so I don't know how 16-year-olds are supposed to act! I just do what feels right."
So that's what feels right? Miley really needs to do more mixing with her peers. Still, it's a relief that it's only her mom she cuddles with at night, though it begs the question - if Billy Ray isn't with his wife in bed then where's Pop?
Answers to the usual address. Any that say 'He's in Miley's bed, that's why she got out' will be immediately disqualified.
http://www.holymoly.com/page/NewsDetail/0,,12643~1620973,00.html
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"I'll go into their bedroom and snuggle with my mom, because I've been working all day and haven't seen her. I'm not around other people my age that much, so I don't know how 16-year-olds are supposed to act! I just do what feels right."
Am I the only one here to not find anything wrong with that?? FFS its her parents!! She is getting in bed with her Mum for a cuddle, when she needs it, there is nothing more natural or normal than cuddling with your child, whether its in a bed, in the kitchen, a hig good bye or whatever.
My daughter is 14 and very occasionally if she is pretty down or ill she will ask to snuggle in bed with me, its rare, but its lovely when it happens, she maybe growing into a woman but she is still my little girl, and always will be. You don't lose the maternal feeling no matter how old your children are.
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Nope you're not the only one!
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Aye?
Does nothing ever happen in NZ? Tank, get it? Sounds a lot like BUM!
What the f***? [:D]
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Blimey, I leave you all alone for 5 mins and the whole forum goes down the pan!!
In keeping with the rest of this thread, here's a shag:
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi143.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fr133%2Flindsayjemerson%2Fshag.jpg&hash=9c460325954b1d4df0fb55f506256b08)
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This is a huge peace of tail
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi38.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fe111%2Fgeezer69%2FC17tail.jpg&hash=2f572a38a977d769d865d0fdaca3499b)
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This is a huge peace of tail
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi38.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fe111%2Fgeezer69%2FC17tail.jpg&hash=2f572a38a977d769d865d0fdaca3499b)
I don't get it. Is it a play on the word 'peace', or 'tail'? Is it American, or am I just plane stupid? (pun intended, before you FOG me!)
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I don't get several of the references, such as "nuts in the sink"
For educational purposes ONLY, check the link http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tail
And you "plane" ignorance is OK
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My 12 year old son likes to come in bed with me. He likes to pretend he is my Teddy bear. I can't imagine my 14 year old son doing the same but he still likes a hug when his friends aren't about.
Isn't the big tail something to do with a ladies behind and spilling your nuts in the sink, well what a waste. I do hate waste! Brazil nuts are my favorite, not as husky!
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Aha, so I was right to be confused, you meant 'piece' not peace. [;)]
And I think the crucial part of that phrase was 'chucked my nuts'
How much further can we go before we're all banned? [:0]
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http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tail
First line: a girl's virgina
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"I'll go into their bedroom and snuggle with my mom, because I've been working all day and haven't seen her. I'm not around other people my age that much, so I don't know how 16-year-olds are supposed to act! I just do what feels right."
Am I the only one here to not find anything wrong with that?? FFS its her parents!! She is getting in bed with her Mum for a cuddle, when she needs it, there is nothing more natural or normal than cuddling with your child, whether its in a bed, in the kitchen, a hig good bye or whatever.
My daughter is 14 and very occasionally if she is pretty down or ill she will ask to snuggle in bed with me, its rare, but its lovely when it happens, she maybe growing into a woman but she is still my little girl, and always will be. You don't lose the maternal feeling no matter how old your children are.
there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.. I Have climbed up on my daughters bed and snuggled down with her at 27 years old and watched a movie and just talked... same with my son Nate....He will always be my little boy....snuggly and sweet.... he will come climb on my bed hang out and talk for awhile keeping me company...Perfectly normal and its wrong to think that if a child and parent share thag closeness that there are "other things happening too"... thats just a really crudy thing to think...
Your children are your children most of us are normal loving parents and it will never be anything but perfectly natural.. for us to snuggle our children no matter how old they are!!!
Have any of you read "I love you forever" My I love that book! A children's book... "That little old lady picked up that great big boy and rocked him back and forth back and forth back and forth as she sang.."I love you forever..I'll like you for always as long as I'm living my baby you'll be"
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Personally, I would agree with you Karen. I find nothing wrong with slipping into bed with the 21 year old daughter.
She does..... but then, she's not my daughter.(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.mysmiley.net%2Fimgs%2Fsmile%2Fevilgrin%2Fevilgrin0010.gif&hash=af6752b23ab9f12caacdc551dc981b5b) (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-happy-smileys.php)(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.freesmileys.org%2Fsmileys%2Fsmiley-devil02.gif&hash=21614eededa0ba96efbfcc2d7ed22e9e) (http://www.freesmileys.org)
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Naughty boy.