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General Discussion & Feedback => Just Chat! => Topic started by: Alan McDougall on 10/09/2008 14:26:09
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I contemplated hard and long before posting this thread on a hardened scientific forum,
Greeting forum
Although copyrighted, Dr. Atwater gives permission for this material to be copied – as long as proper credits are given, the books it comes from and her website are mentioned. Thank you for your courtesy. PMH
http://www.cinemind.com/atwater/
The following material was excerpted from two of P. M. H. Atwater's books – "Beyond the Light: The Mysteries and Revelations of Near-Death Experiences" (Avon Books, New York City, 1994), and "We Live Forever: The Real Truth about Death" (A.R.E. Press, Virginia Beach, VA, 2004). It is based on first-person commentaries from over 3,000 adult experiencers of near-death states. To learn more about the near-death research of P. M. H. Atwater, L.H.D. access www.cinemind.com/atwater.
WHAT IT FEELS LIKE TO DIE
Any pain to be suffered comes first. Instinctively you fight to live.
That is automatic.
It is inconceivable to the conscious mind that any other reality could possibly exist beside the earth-world of matter bounded by time and space. We are used to it. We have been trained since birth to live and thrive in it. We know ourselves to be ourselves by the external stimuli we receive. Life tells us who we are and we accept its telling. That, too, is automatic, and to be expected.
Your body goes limp. Your heart stops. No more air flows in or out.
You lose sight, feeling, and movement – although the ability to hear goes last. Identity ceases. The "you" that you once were becomes only a memory.
There is no pain at the moment of death.
Only peaceful silence. . . calm. . . quiet.
But you still exist.
It is easy not to breathe. In fact, it is easier, more comfortable, and infinitely more natural not to breathe than to breathe. The biggest surprise for most people in dying is to realize that dying does not end life.
Whether darkness or light comes next, or some kind of event, be it positive, negative, or somewhere in-between, expected or unexpected, the biggest surprise of all is to realize you are still you. You can still think, you can still remember, you can still see, hear, move, reason, wonder, feel, question, and tell jokes – if you wish.
You are still alive, very much alive. Actually, you're more alive after death than at any time since you were last born. Only the way of all this is different; different because you no longer wear a dense body to filter and amplify the various sensations you had once regarded as the only valid indicators of what constitutes life. You had always been taught one has to wear a body to live.
If you expect to die when you die you will be disappointed.
The only thing dying does is help you release, slough off, and discard the "jacket" you once wore (more commonly referred to as a body).
When you die you lose your body.
That's all there is to it.
Nothing else is lost.
You are not your body. It is just something you wear for a while, because living in the earth-plane is infinitely more meaningful and more involved if you are encased in its trappings and subject to its rules.
WHAT DEATH IS
There is a step-up of energy at the moment of death, an increase in speed as if you are suddenly vibrating faster than before.
Using radio as an analogy, this speed-up is comparable to having lived all your life at a certain radio frequency when all of a sudden someone or something comes along and flips the dial. That flip shifts you to another, higher wavelength. The original frequency where you once existed is still there. It did not change. Everything is still just the same as it was. Only you changed, only you speeded up to allow entry into the next radio frequency on the dial.
As is true with all radios and radio stations, there can be bleed-overs or distortions of transmission signals due to interference patterns. These can allow or force frequencies to coexist or commingle for indefinite periods of time. Normally, most shifts up the dial are fast and efficient; but, occasionally, one can run into interference, perhaps from a strong emotion, a sense of duty, or a need to fulfill a vow, or keep a promise.
This interference could allow coexistence of frequencies for a few seconds, days, or even years (perhaps explaining hauntings); but, sooner or later, eventually, every given vibrational frequency will seek out or be nudged to where it belongs.
You fit your particular spot on the dial by your speed of vibration. You cannot coexist forever where you do not belong.
Who can say how many spots there are on the dial or how many frequencies there are to inhabit. No one knows.
You shift frequencies in dying. You switch over to life on another wave-length. You are still a spot on the dial but you move up or down a notch or two.
You don't die when you die. You shift your consciousness and speed of vibration.
That's all death is. . . a shift.
"What does the forum think, physical death is the door way to the afterlife, like it or not"?
"Note I was very careful not to infringe on any copy right"
Alan
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The "Tunnel" and the "light" repeatedly reported in near-death-experiences are physiological not supernatural, they are caused by insufficient oxygen reaching the brain (hypoxia).
These phenomena are experienced by astronauts/pilots when they are put in a centrifuge to experience progressively high "g" forces, (the centrifuge slowly reduces bloodflow to the brain).
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Personally, I think belief in an afterlife is nothing but a coping mechanism to reduce the fear of death. I have no reason to think my personality exists outside of this body, and have seen plenty of evidence to suggest that "I" am a product of my brain. When my brain ceases to work, I will cease to be.
I accept that, so don't feel the need for a coping mechanism.
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I contemplated hard and long before posting this thread on a hardened scientific forum.
And you still went ahead.
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Dead interesting!
Stop thinking about death and start living. I spent most of my teenage life worrying about death and all it did was make me depressed. I forgot that outside my bedroom window there was this great big playground called Earth. Soon as I stopped thinking about death I started living. Give it a rest, go out and have fun.
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RD,
The "Tunnel" and the "light" repeatedly reported in near-death-experiences are physiological not supernatural, they are caused by insufficient oxygen reaching the brain (hypoxia).
This is not true, I have had a NDE where there was no brain or heart activity , yet while in this clinically dead state, knew what people were doing around me from a vantage point just below the ceiling.
The tunnel of and beings of light folowed and it this unimaginably glorious experience of love can be induced by oxygen lack, man!! I must breath into a plastic bag until I pass out.
Try that and see if it induces a NDE
Alan
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There are NDEs and OBEs, out of body experiences, which are not due to death, ill health or lack of oxygen. In these people see remarkable things,alike in NDEs.
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Death however is not a fun exercise and just not as easy and nice as Dr At water say it is.
A great author said on his death bed, "Death is a miserable affair and I would advise anyone to avoid t at all costs "
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unimaginably glorious experience of love
Oh I forgot to mention euphoria is another manifestation of hypoxia.
man!! I must breath into a plastic bag until I pass out. Try that and see if it induces a NDE
A few seem to enjoy it...
Erotic asphyxiation refers to intentionally cutting off oxygen to the brain for sexual arousal. It is also called asphyxiophilia, autoerotic asphyxia, scarfing, kotzwarraism, or breath control play. A person engaging in the activity is sometimes called a gasper. The erotic interest in asphyxiation is classified as a paraphilia in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of the American Psychiatric Association.
Various methods are used to achieve the level of oxygen depletion needed such as a hanging, suffocation with a plastic bag over the head, self-strangulation such as with a ligature, gas or volatile solvents, chest compression, or some combination of these.[1] Sometimes, complicated devices are used to produce the desired effects.[2] The practice can be dangerous even if practiced with care and has resulted in a significant number of accidental deaths. Uva (1995) writes “Estimates of the mortality rate range of autoerotic asphyxia between 250 to 1000 deaths per year in the United States.”[3] Cases have also been reported in Scandinavia[4] and in Germany.[5][6]
Deaths often occur when the loss of consciousness caused by partial asphyxia leads to loss of control over the means of strangulation, resulting in continued asphyxia and death. While often asphyxiophilia is incorporated into sex with a partner, others enjoy this behavior by themselves, making it potentially more difficult to get out of dangerous situations[7]. Victims are often found to have rigged some sort of "rescue mechanism" that has not worked in the way they anticipated as they lost consciousness.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erotic_asphyxia
Don't try this at home.
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OH!! Heck you have got to die to know, but even if there is no afterlife I will believe there is, and remain happy in my delusion. While you must accept the awful fact that you, your loved ones and all that humanity have one since the biginning of time is cease to exist into the great void of meaningless
I am not trying to convince and am aware that this would be a useless futile effort achieving nothing
So on your death bed think what I say you are about to cease to exist forever and your life has been without, absolute any meaning
Alan
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Mr Boole (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Boole) croaked long ago, but without his algebra the (binary) computers we are are using would not be possible.
He also had exceptionally gifted progeny, whose descendants are probably alive today.
i.e. his brainchild (boolean algebra) and his genes outlive him: this is the nearest anyone is going to get to immortality.