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Title: QotW - 08.11.09 - How long before all traces of human existence will disappear?
Post by: thedoc on 07/11/2008 16:42:25
If the human race were to become extinct, how long before all traces of our existence were to disappear?
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Title: Re: QotW - 08.11.09 - How long before all traces of human existence will disappear?
Post by: thedoc on 07/11/2008 16:42:25
We put this to John Nudds, University of Manchester, Senior Lecturer in Palaeontology:

Thinking first in terms of archaeological timescale if the human race were to become extinct tomorrow then our buildings and roads would gradually decay and possibly within a hundred or hundreds of years many buildings would start to collapse. The sturdier stone built buildings would stand a lot longer than this as we know because we still have Greek Temples and Egyptian pyramids with us today. If we think in terms of those ancient civilisation sit will only be a few millennia before our city would firstly be overcome by vegetation and then would be buried by silt and sediment. If you consider the fabrics used in modern day construction: reinforced concrete, plastics etcetera these would certainly survive the burial for at least as long as the two million year-old stone tools dating from the early humans from Africa, for example. If we think in terms of a geological timescale – this country and indeed most of Europe has been under the sea for a much greater period of geological history than it has been land. The one thing we can be certain of is that sea levels will rise again and this country will be flooded once more by shallow sea and then all of our cities will become deeply buried by marine sediments. Over geological time, over millions of years they’ll be preserved in a rock stratum in just the same way that dinosaurs are preserved in rock strata from 65 million years ago.

When we consider that the oldest fossils we have on Earth are 3 and a half billion year-old single-celled microscopic, soft-bodied bacteria. If such tiny and delicate organisms can survive for that long then certainly the robust skeletons of Homo sapiens can survive for similar timescales. In actual fact organisms that live in the sea are much more likely to be fossilised than organisms like ourselves that live on land. So human fossils will always be rather scarce. We know this already because although hominids have been around for say five million years the actual numbers of fossil human skeletons is very low. Certainly some of us will be fossilised and we will survive buried in rock strata. To answer the question, when the human race does eventually become extinct, as it certainly will, although evidence of our existence will disappear from the Earth’s surface relatively quickly – say within a few millennia – evidence of our existence will survive buried at depth probably for as long as the planet survives.
Title: Re: QotW - 08.11.09 - How long before all traces of human existence will disappear?
Post by: Don_1 on 07/11/2008 17:26:01
I would only say that I think it would be a whole lot quicker than might be invisaged by most. When nature is left to it's own devices, it can work pretty fast. To put an actual figure on the time, I wouldn't like to be so bold. I would guess the last things to be reclaimed by nature would be bank vaults.

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Title: Re: QotW - 08.11.09 - How long before all traces of human existence will disappear?
Post by: daveshorts on 07/11/2008 17:31:53
My money is on coke bottles dropped on the continental slopes. They could last tens of millions of years easily and it wouldn't surprise me if they were there  billions of years later, if the rocks they are sitting in don't get destroyed.
Title: Re: QotW - 08.11.09 - How long before all traces of human existence will disappear?
Post by: Madidus_Scientia on 08/11/2008 03:24:37
what about all the crap we have in space? at least some of it must be in a stable enough orbit to remain there a very long time, and then there's the moon landing site and the mars rover etc.
Title: Re: QotW - 08.11.09 - How long before all traces of human existence will disappear?
Post by: chris on 08/11/2008 17:32:27
Well that's easily taken care of. In about 5 billion years the Sun will begin to balloon into a red giant, engulfing all the inner rocky planets; that should be sufficient to sizzle into submission any surviving human remnants...

Title: Re: QotW - 08.11.09 - How long before all traces of human existence will disappear?
Post by: JnA on 08/11/2008 23:52:15
so the answer is 5 billion years...


sit back and enjoy the ride.
Title: Re: QotW - 08.11.09 - How long before all traces of human existence will disappear?
Post by: franciscopereira on 09/11/2008 03:17:51
There is a book devoted to this very question, it's called "The World Without Us"
http://www.amazon.com/World-Without-Us-Alan-Weisman/dp/0312427905/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1226200600&sr=1-1

it's more poetic than you might think!
Title: Re: QotW - 08.11.09 - How long before all traces of human existence will disappear?
Post by: Madidus_Scientia on 09/11/2008 07:27:18
You would have done better to just tell us about the book or give a url to a synopsis or review of the book, instead your first post will be written off as spam and no one will buy it.
Title: Re: QotW - 08.11.09 - How long before all traces of human existence will disappear?
Post by: Bored chemist on 09/11/2008 09:53:55
Some aspects of this question (and that book) were already discussed here
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=13715.0
Title: QotW - 08.11.09 - How long before all traces of human existence will disappear?
Post by: decoy8888 on 12/11/2008 20:39:56
I recently saw a History Channel documentary on this topic. It was very interesting.

http://www.history.com/minisites/life_after_people

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Post by: Paul first on 13/01/2010 10:28:27
human race disappearance from earth wouldnot be suddenly,but gradually.fertility of human will drop consistently,child birth will be very rare,population will less and less untill there is not enough people to maintain civilization.people will resident separately in several spot in world,have no contact each other,because there is not enough person to perate communication and traffic system.when the last person died ,human will diappear.this is a destiny.Any species has its lifespan,this is endowed by creater of the world.
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Post by: Cliff Fraser on 27/04/2015 21:44:59
The answer lies in plate tectonics. Speed up time and the land masses of the Earth are no more than a boiling cauldron, even the highest mountain on Earth, eroding by just 1mm per year, will be gone in just 9,000,000 years. All orbiting man-made artifacts will quite quickly fall into the boiling cauldron, those that are wending their way into the nether regions of the Universe are so small and insignificant that there is zero chance of them ever being found by anyone or thing. Most proof of our existence will decay quite rapidly in Cosmic terms, like the builders of the incredible, massive megalithic stone monuments placed around the world by the last intelligent species that 'owned' the Earth before us, all that will be left when Homo Sapiens shuffles off this mortal coil will belie the technological heights we reach. Most materials decay into other unrecognizable forms quite rapidly, it is only materials such as stone that last significantly longer. As for our tenure, I don t give us more than 500,000 years and that's generous given where we are right now, and we've already squandered 200,000 of those. So, to answer the question, ‘for all traces to disappear’, the tectonic plates move at an average speed of 4.5 cm per year, moving in both directions from the creation point. The circumference of the Earth is 40,057Km, so one complete ‘boiling cauldron’ cycle would take: 20,028 [half the circumference of the Earth in Km's] x 100,000 [Cm's in 1 Km] / 4.5 [Tectonic plate speed, Cm's per year] = 445 million years, [max, probably a lot less in reality]. The first signs of life appeared on Earth 3.5 billion years ago.
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Post by: Martin smith on 25/06/2015 09:24:26
The granit 5 faces in America and the hover dam will be the last to go 😉 the hover dam center will also never set in humanity's existence due to its thickness 😉