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On the Lighter Side => New Theories => Topic started by: trevorjohnson32 on 23/12/2015 17:41:14
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This is a theory on gravity and energy. I would ask first if anyone else has a working theory on gravity but I know no one else does. This theory is based on the hypothetical observation that two boxes of empty space, one from just above a black hole, and the other from an area void of any gravity fields, will totally reverse the properties of momentum for an atom and an electron. what is it in empty space that can cause such a dramatic change in these properties?
This is more of a hobby to me then anything else, so I can't wait to hear from the other hobbyist's what they think.
Gravity and Dimension Theory:
quarks cause gravity on space
a quark and the universe are made of the same substance
quarks exist inside a universe, when they exit the universe they expand into void blocks
a quark and a universe are the same object with the same properties at two different dimensions
the object is indivisible and is fixed in dimensions
the object is in cubic form
the object spins at a much greater speed then it moves in any direction
the object has a structure of blocks in cubic honeycomb symmetry making it up as a whole
the blocks are made of the substance void
the void blocks have the property of becoming squeezed smaller when acted on by denser blocks
blocks of space void that occupy the same area as a quark are crushed by the surrounding dimensional change of the super void quark and become quarks inside of the new dimension
the blocks of space void that are now quarks return to space void blocks when the quark that causes the dimensional change passes through them
As it exits the dimensional change the quark takes time to expand to its inactive space state which causes an area of denser void blocks surrounding a quark
this denser area of void is what causes gravity's attraction
the spinning causes the greatest pressure increase as space void continuously passes through the wall of the quark and exits again
space rushes in to fill the void area's around the spinning quark faster then the spin of the quark
the surface of the spinning quark puts a squeezing pressure on the surrounding space as powerful as a black hole
the squeezing pressure would cause layers of connected blocks in any any direction from the surface of the denser area of void to be squeezed by layer outwardly in a spherical shape until the edge of the gravity field which is exponential to an asymptote.
the properties of science and nature are the same for every dimension
In the universe energy exists at two different dimensions just as matter does
Energy is present as a component of empty space in the form of weak dimensional energy
The weak dimensional energy of empty space forms a grid lining the void blocks of empty space
The energy of the stronger dimension is created at the wall of the universe
The energy filters in from the universe dimension outside of our own
It becomes free moving as a stress on space and is captured by neutrons and protons as electrons
Strong dimensional energy can be essentially described as a squeezing pressure on the weak dimensional energy of space
Putting a squeezing force on the void blocks of empty space simultaneously puts a squeezing pressure on the energy grid and vice versa
An electron shell may be border limits caused by the effect that the nucleus quarks gravity has on the squeezing of empty space void and simultaneously the energy grid
electrons have mass because their squeezing effect on the energy grid of space creates a simultaneous squeeze of the void blocks creating a gravity effect
Empty space under pressure from a white light source will cause a continuous area of squeezing
objects in the area of squeezing will become illuminated at different wavelengths
the collection of colors present in the pressure on space from the objects in a room can be observed by holding a white piece of paper and moving it around the room causing its color to change
the squeezing itself is invisible
magnetism occurs when all the electrons in a ferromagnetic material like iron spin in the same direction
the simultaneous spin of all the electrons creates a fan like object out of the magnet for empty space where one side of the fan is the draw of empty space energy and the other side is the outward push, as seen by holding two north ends together
A magnet creates a continuous flow of the weak dimensional energy of space in the pattern of a magnetic field
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official hypothesis:
space has the four forces built into it like a density that allows for the atoms and the EMR to move within confined limits i.e. the speed of light, fusion, etc.. Each change in dimension is a dramatic change in the 'density' of space. When a quark leaves the universe wall it expands because of the density of space in the new dimension it is in. The quark then becomes a block of void that creates space in the outside dimensional universe. It takes time to expand and its density adds pressure to the surrounding space, this pressure in empty space is what causes gravity.
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Trevor an interesting read. I will probably have to re-read it a couple of times (which I will do) to properly understand the mechanism for the creation of Gravity you are proposing.
One question straight of the bat; How is this void density created by the dimension jumping Quarks translate to the Gravity we feel in the relativistic macro world?
I would ask first if anyone else has a working theory on gravity but I know no one else does.
As it happens I too have what I consider a working theory of Gravity and in some fashion after 1 read of yours it has similarities. I too propose that it is the actions of fundamental particles that create the effect we call Gravity, although my model does not describe the inner workings of Quarks. Just that their movement uses up the space that is necessary for that movement and as such causes fresh space to flow in to replace the quanta of space that was used up. Thus causing space to flow into Matter. Gravity in this case is a result of Space Flow.
If you are interested you can find this at; http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=65064.0
As I said I will have to re-read this. I am not quite understanding the dimension jumping part yet.
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One question straight of the bat; How is this void density created by the dimension jumping Quarks translate to the Gravity we feel in the relativistic macro world?
well the theory I'm proposing includes the idea that a universe and a quark are the same object, One is a nth dimension in infinity, and the other is one dimension above or below the nth dimension depending on how you want to put it. So a quark leaving the universe becomes gravity fuel for the universe that our universe is a quark inside, a universe I sometimes call the 4th dimension.
Also I read your paper. That's really cool man I've been writing backwooods science since I was a kid in Astronomy, Its funny to me to meet someone else who does the same thing. I like where you talk about how the 'shockwaves' or energy is limited by the space it's traveling in I can see how that's similar to my hypotheses.
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Trevor, thanks for reading my Hypothesis. I am not up to Multi Dimensional, String or M theory mathematics, so am not able to properly evaluate your theory, but reading it, it does appear to have some similarities to my own.
In mine Quarks stay in our dimension the whole time, but by vibrating they use up space. More space has to continually flow in to replace it so they can keep vibrating.
Yes they literally use up space. Call me crazy but it works at all levels from Quarks to Black Holes.
Unfortunately I am not an Astrophysicist, cosmologist, or any other "ist" so I never expect my ideas to make it past forums. I just hope that someone who is an "ist" of some sort, hopefully in my lifetime, comes up with a similar idea just so I can see how it would be received by the world.
Probably never happen and I am doomed to die never knowing whether I have been chasing something real or just fantasy.
If only they allowed Spacetime to move, it would all come together. In my opinion anyway.
Then again you and all these string theorists may be right and we are just some illusion of a multiverse in which case I am doomed to never really understand anything.
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In mine Quarks stay in our dimension the whole time, but by vibrating they use up space. More space has to continually flow in to replace it so they can keep vibrating.
Yes they literally use up space. Call me crazy but it works at all levels from Quarks to Black Holes.
If you look at your theory as water pressure that starts from the surface area of the gravity field rather then flowing water you would have something like mine. Water pressure is something I still haven't fully explained at least how it relates to spacetime in my theory. There are lots of science questions that will be someone else's PHD based off the theoretical universe I ve thought of. I firmly decided there is no way I'm going to be able to understand all the different physical equations for things and apply the cubic honeycomb universe theory before others who have idiosynchratic interest in arbitrary subjects.
I'd also like to point out that the theory of multiverse is expanded and only one part of my theory. I don't speak for other multiverse advocates.
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This is a theory on gravity and energy. I would ask first if anyone else has a working theory on gravity but I know no one else does. This theory is based on the hypothetical observation that two boxes of empty space, one from just above a black hole, and the other from an area void of any gravity fields, will totally reverse the properties of momentum for an atom and an electron. what is it in empty space that can cause such a dramatic change in these properties?
This is more of a hobby to me then anything else, so I can't wait to hear from the other hobbyist's what they think.
Gravity and Dimension Theory:
quarks cause gravity on spacesimply no
a quark and the universe are made of the same substancesimply no
quarks exist inside a universe, when they exit the universe they expand into void blocks 50% correct
a quark and a universe are the same object with the same properties at two different dimensionsno
the object is indivisible and is fixed in dimensions
the object is in cubic form
the object spins at a much greater speed then it moves in any direction
the object has a structure of blocks in cubic honeycomb symmetry making it up as a whole
the blocks are made of the substance void
the void blocks have the property of becoming squeezed smaller when acted on by denser blocks
blocks of space void that occupy the same area as a quark are crushed by the surrounding dimensional change of the super void quark and become quarks inside of the new dimension
the blocks of space void that are now quarks return to space void blocks when the quark that causes the dimensional change passes through them
As it exits the dimensional change the quark takes time to expand to its inactive space state which causes an area of denser void blocks surrounding a quark
this denser area of void is what causes gravity's attraction
the spinning causes the greatest pressure increase as space void continuously passes through the wall of the quark and exits again
space rushes in to fill the void area's around the spinning quark faster then the spin of the quark
the surface of the spinning quark puts a squeezing pressure on the surrounding space as powerful as a black hole
the squeezing pressure would cause layers of connected blocks in any any direction from the surface of the denser area of void to be squeezed by layer outwardly in a spherical shape until the edge of the gravity field which is exponential to an asymptote.
the properties of science and nature are the same for every dimension
In the universe energy exists at two different dimensions just as matter does
Energy is present as a component of empty space in the form of weak dimensional energy
The weak dimensional energy of empty space forms a grid lining the void blocks of empty space
The energy of the stronger dimension is created at the wall of the universe
The energy filters in from the universe dimension outside of our own
It becomes free moving as a stress on space and is captured by neutrons and protons as electrons
Strong dimensional energy can be essentially described as a squeezing pressure on the weak dimensional energy of space
Putting a squeezing force on the void blocks of empty space simultaneously puts a squeezing pressure on the energy grid and vice versa
An electron shell may be border limits caused by the effect that the nucleus quarks gravity has on the squeezing of empty space void and simultaneously the energy grid
electrons have mass because their squeezing effect on the energy grid of space creates a simultaneous squeeze of the void blocks creating a gravity effect
Empty space under pressure from a white light source will cause a continuous area of squeezing
objects in the area of squeezing will become illuminated at different wavelengths
the collection of colors present in the pressure on space from the objects in a room can be observed by holding a white piece of paper and moving it around the room causing its color to change
the squeezing itself is invisible
magnetism occurs when all the electrons in a ferromagnetic material like iron spin in the same direction
the simultaneous spin of all the electrons creates a fan like object out of the magnet for empty space where one side of the fan is the draw of empty space energy and the other side is the outward push, as seen by holding two north ends together
A magnet creates a continuous flow of the weak dimensional energy of space in the pattern of a magnetic field
I give up . In making a post at least try to make it coherent, I understand your thoughts may be vague and/or vivid, but at least post with some premise. i.e
I think I have a few ideas about the Universe, my reason(s) are that blah blah fails and my reasoning is because .....
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In mine Quarks stay in our dimension the whole time, but by vibrating they use up space. More space has to continually flow in to replace it so they can keep vibrating.
Yes they literally use up space. Call me crazy but it works at all levels from Quarks to Black Holes.
If you look at your theory as water pressure that starts from the surface area of the gravity field rather then flowing water you would have something like mine. Water pressure is something I still haven't fully explained at least how it relates to spacetime in my theory. There are lots of science questions that will be someone else's PHD based off the theoretical universe I ve thought of. I firmly decided there is no way I'm going to be able to understand all the different physical equations for things and apply the cubic honeycomb universe theory before others who have idiosynchratic interest in arbitrary subjects.
I'd also like to point out that the theory of multiverse is expanded and only one part of my theory. I don't speak for other multiverse advocates.
natural water pressure is a density and depth thing, there is no mystery to that, the ''viscosity'' of water at a depth is denser than surface viscosity, not that you would notice without pressure and gravity causing the pressure.
Height also effects water pressure.
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space has the four forces built into it like a density that allows for the atoms and the EMR to move within confined limits i.e. the speed of light, fusion, etc.. Each change in dimension is a dramatic change in the 'density' of space. When a quark leaves the universe wall it expands because of the density of space in the new dimension it is in. The quark then becomes a block of void that creates space in the outside dimensional universe. It takes time to expand and its density adds pressure to the surrounding space, this pressure in empty space is what causes gravity.
Did you read this hypothesis? I accidentally left it out, it's an important part. Don't give up on it! I might try a different wording for the description of the theory. Do you understand the basic concept you kind of have to imagine a cube spinning three dimensionally being both the universe and a quark. Space is then made of the same substance and is pressurized by the density of the quark. The pressure forms a globe to an asymptote I wonder if this would be detectable is the layers of pressure in a deep water source.
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Do you understand the basic concept you kind of have to imagine a cube spinning three dimensionally being both the universe and a quark. Space is then made of the same substance and is pressurized by the density of the quark.
Yes sort of sure I get your thought experiment. A different wording on the whole lot would probably be a good comparison to this version as it usually helps triangulate on your internal understanding of this. Just good to display a different concept to normal from a couple of angles.
A couple of questions just of the bat;
How do you get Gravity out of a Quark pressurising space? (Like what is the mechanism that translates pressure into our observations of Gravity)
When you say "It takes time to expand", what reference frame are you measuring that time by. Time after all is not a constant. There is no Universal clock.
imagine a cube spinning three dimensionally being both the universe and a quark
This needs a little more explaining. A three dimensionally spinning Quark can be imagined. When you say that it is both the Universe and a Quark, it is a little hard to associate. After all we have one Universe and a lot of Quarks.
Maybe these things will gain clarity when you present this reworded, so as I can look at the whole thing from another angle.
Keep punching. I know what it's like to have a to you very clear idea in your understanding and actually making someone else see what is in your head.
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How do you get Gravity out of a Quark pressurising space? (Like what is the mechanism that translates pressure into our observations of Gravity)
When you say "It takes time to expand", what reference frame are you measuring that time by. Time after all is not a constant.
You just maybe me stumble into the second time of considered this. I know it sounds crazy but the speed of light may be a constant across all dimensions. Time, or the speed of light, is slowed down by size in outside dimensions which causes the notion of time to be distorted as the outside dimension to our own is at a dead standstill, but the speed of light may be a constant therefore the universe wall would be moving at the speed of light in its spin. This means the speed of light is the same inside a quark as well.
So the time it takes to expand is unknown but in a ratio to the amount of new space that rushes in to fill around the spinning quark or universe. I've imagined the quarks may expand quite quickly compared to the universe spin.
The quarks pressure can be translated to a globular area of denser void. Objects passing by then 'fall' into the pressurized area as they are attracted to the area of more void. void is sort of a negative force but the particles of void i.e. quarks are fixed in dimension and super dense.
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actually nevermind that. time would slow down considerably inside a quark, time being the speed of light, because of the density of the quark perhaps creating a sort of mirror for life across infinity that may be related to death and life. The speed of life is constant because of density changes.
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The speed of life is constant because of density changes.
Ok. looks like not only the same from a different angle but possibly a refinement on your original thoughts is coming up. I'll look forward to the next draft.
The reason I quoted your above comment is because I don't agree with the assumption that the speed of life is constant.
This is another left of centre hypothesis of mine that is totally unprovable, but fun to consider.
Relativity theory tells us that if you jumped into a spaceship and accelerate at a constant 1g, in about 1 year you will be traveling close to the speed of light and consequently ageing a lot slower than the poor peeps back here on Earth.
General relativity also tells us that there is no difference between constant 1g acceleration and constant 1g gravity. I say there is a definite difference as living under constant 1g Gravity does not increase your speed.
However....
You can walk up to any elderly person and with out fail they will all tell you that the world around them is going a lot faster than when they were younger. The days, weeks, years, seem to fly by faster the older you get. In other words the outside world appears to speed up the longer you have spent under the influence of constant Acceleration/Gravity (or you appear to slow down). While there is obviously no speed increase associated with constant gravity, there appears to be conceptual time rate change.
As I said totally unprovable, but very consistant.
Why is this so? I don't know... But the speed of life does not appear constant for a person living it.
Could well make a good research subject for someone's PHD one day.
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time being the speed of light
Where the hell did you get that idea that time was the speed of light? time is a concept of measurement not a physical thing. Remove all the light from the Universe , do you think this in any way can effect ''time''?
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time is a concept of measurement not a physical thing.
When a Quark vibrates, When an Electron spins, When one Planck moment follows the next, The very fact that anything and everything in this Universe moves on from one moment to the next.
Do you think the Universe gives a shite whether you believe in time being real or not?
The Universe is not defined by us.
We are only observers. The only way we can do ourselves justice is by being unbiassed observers.
Whether you decide to define time by this measuring system or another or none whatsoever, the fact that you had the time to consider and make that decision must surely be suggestive of some process that has to have a definition.
I do not mean this post as an invite to an in-depth discussion on time with you, just that I noticed that you have been doing a bit of post blanketing with this ridiculous idea, and think that maybe a bit of logic may be of help.
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time being the speed of light
Where the hell did you get that idea that time was the speed of light? time is a concept of measurement not a physical thing. Remove all the light from the Universe , do you think this in any way can effect ''time''?
I say that because of the concept that if you traveled faster then the speed of light and looked backwards you would see light from what was and therefore be watching time go backwards. If by time you mean the forward movement of things that's what I m talking about.
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time is a concept of measurement not a physical thing.
When a Quark vibrates, When an Electron spins, When one Planck moment follows the next, The very fact that anything and everything in this Universe moves on from one moment to the next.
Do you think the Universe gives a shite whether you believe in time being real or not?
The Universe is not defined by us.
We are only observers. The only way we can do ourselves justice is by being unbiassed observers.
Whether you decide to define time by this measuring system or another or none whatsoever, the fact that you had the time to consider and make that decision must surely be suggestive of some process that has to have a definition.
I do not mean this post as an invite to an in-depth discussion on time with you, just that I noticed that you have been doing a bit of post blanketing with this ridiculous idea, and think that maybe a bit of logic may be of help.
When a quark vibrates it vibrates, when an electron spins it spins, do you think if we scrapped time the quark would stop vibrating and the electron would stop spinning?
Time is irrelevant, things work whether there is time or no time, time is a human concept to synchronise our every day lives, we have expanded time to space, space time is an extension of human experience, no more , no less.