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On the Lighter Side => New Theories => Topic started by: Alan McDougall on 23/07/2008 07:43:59
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Going through the list as per link I see they have left off Albert Einstein because he supposedly only had an IQ of 160, I also could not see Iscaac Newton strange to me!
Philosophers (22) average IQ 160; Scientists (39) 159; Fiction writers (53) 152; Statesmen (43) 150; Musicians (11) 149; Artists (13) 153; Soldiers (27) 136
http://hem.bredband.net/b153434/Index.htm
Name Nationality Active as & Comments Ratio IQs Deviation IQs*
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe Germany Poet/Writer. Universal genius.** 210 179
Emanuel Swedenborg Sweden Religious writer. Universal genius. 205 176
Gottfried Wilhelm von Leibniz Germany Philosopher/Mathematician, etc. The greatest universal genius together with Leonardo da Vinci.** 205 176
John Stuart Mill England Philosopher/Economist/Political theorist 200 174
Blaise Pascal France Mathematician/Physicist/Religious thinker 195 171
Ludwig Wittgenstein Austria Philosopher - 190
Bobby Fischer U.S.A. Chess player 187 167
Galileo Galilei Italy Physicist/Astronomer/Philosopher 185 165
René Descartes France Philosopher/Mathematician 180 162
Madame De Stael France Woman of letters/Novelist/Political Philosopher 180 162
Immanuel Kant Germany Philosopher 175 159
Linus Carl Pauling U.S.A. Chemist - Double Nobel Prize Winner 170 156
Sofia Kovalevskaya Russia/Sweden Mathematician/Writer 170 156
Thomas Chatterton England Poet/Writer 170 156
Charles Darwin England Naturalist 165 153
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart Austria Composer 165 153
George Eliot (Mary Ann Evans) England Writer - Close friend to J.S. Mill. 160 150
Nicolaus Copernicus Poland Cleric/Astronomer 160 150
Olof Palme Sweden Prime Minister (Murdered) - 156
Rembrandt van Rijn Holland Painter/Etcher 155 146
Anna Lindh Sweden Foreign Minister (Murdered) 152 145
George Sand (Aurore Dupin) France Writer 150 143
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The question is how the hell did I end up between John Stuart Mill & Blaise Pascal!!!!????
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I left out the question due to the fact I am a mere mortal and make errors
Do you agree geniuses like Billy Sidus , Marilyn vos Savant were left out by these people and of course we three huge intellects
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Note please I have removed the offensive colour but heck!! I am really am a colourful happy chappie and it is hard for me to stick to convention and rules, but so be- it
Regards
Alan
Hopfully someones friend
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OK, lets take a poorly defined idea like inteligence. Then come up with what is known to be a deeply flawed way to measure it. Then guess what that measurement may have come up with if it had been applied to a bunch of people who are past caring.
OK, Why bother?
If this looked like science then you would be making a prediction based on a hypothesis.
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I agree with the chemist suffering from ennui. IQ tests are, in general, a total waste of time.
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Bored Chemist
I agree with the chemist suffering from ennui. IQ tests are, in general, a total waste of time
You are correct my daughter who did an IQ test some timeago with the result of 125 said she was ashamed about having such a peceived low IQ.
A IQ of 125 is really remarkably hight. People get an attitude or a complex about their IQ which like you so correctly stated have little real meaning.
I have difficulty with shapes, bad eyesight,I am on medication for bipolar I believe this has brought me down from an IQ of approx 140 down to 110 on the latest test I did just the other day,
I feel I am as sharp and smart as ever and my posts and comprehension should reveal this. "Comprehension" is the key to "accessing" true intelligence, not just looking a odd shapes etc etc
Regards
Alan
I started this thead because so many people are interested in IQ test.
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Always bear in mind that your own resolution to succeed is more important than any one thing.
-Abraham Lincoln
Think like a wise man but communicate in the language of the people.
-William Butler Yeats
If the Aborigine drafted an I.Q. test, all of Western civilization would presumably flunk it.
-Stanley Garn
One of the surest signs that intelligent life exists in outer space is that none of it has tried to contact us.
-Normandy Alden
There's a fine line between fishing and just standing on the shore like an idiot.
-Steven Wright
Genius is nothing but continued attention.
- Claude A. Helvetius
Patience is a necessary ingredient of genius.
-Benjamin Disraeli
Think like a wise man but communicate in the language of the people.
-William Butler Yeats
If the Aborigine drafted an I.Q. test, all of Western civilization would presumably flunk it.
-Stanley Garn
One of the surest signs that intelligent life exists in outer space is that none of it has tried to contact us.
-Normandy Alden
There's a fine line between fishing and just standing on the shore like an idiot.
-Steven Wright
Genius is nothing but continued attention.
- Claude A. Helvetius
Patience is a necessary ingredient of genius.
-Benjamin Disraeli
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I like this one "If the Aborigine drafted an I.Q. test, all of Western civilization would presumably flunk it.
-Stanley Garn"
It shows that the test doesn't really measure anything.
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A test tests what a test tests. Nothing more.
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Precisely, Sophie. Being good at IQ tests means that you're good at IQ tests.
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Doctor Beaver
Precisely, Sophie. Being good at IQ tests means that you're good at IQ tests.
I like that quote by you, some remarable even great people had/have normal IQ's
Nelson Mandela at estimated 120 a good IQ but not all that remarable. I wonder what the much maligned George bush would score.
I really dont think he is the stupid man than many take him for..
Regards
Alan
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George W Bush got an MBA (Master of Business Administration) from Harvard Business School, so he ain't the dummy he comes across as.
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Doc B
"ABSOLUTELY"
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P.S. Mind you - I've got an MBA so they can't be that difficult to get [:P]
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P.S. Mind you - I've got an MBA so they can't be that difficult to get [:P]
Yes, anyone can play Basketball!
As for IQ and IQ tests, this has been done before, and each time the replies tend to be the same...for example:
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=11604.0
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It's been accepted since the 1960's that IQ scores measure performance on IQ tests and nothing more. IQ scores can be a rough indicator of cognitive power, but utterly fail to measure creativity as well as many other factors. Computers have awesome cognitive power. Genetic algorithms can design structures better than humans, often with striking originality.
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Yes IQ tests do not and cannot measure wisdom, common sense, empathy, altruism etc
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Yes IQ tests do not and cannot measure wisdom, common sense, empathy, altruism etc
why then, do so many people like to bandy about their test scre? Or put so much emphasis on having one / knowing what yours is...
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why then, do so many people like to bandy about their test scre?
It's to go with their beer mat collection and their certificates for leek growing.
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why then, do so many people like to bandy about their test scre? Or put so much emphasis on having one / knowing what yours is...
Pride an inferior complex or Superior complex , ofen also embellished with a large peace of untruth
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Nevermind the question of why do people make such a fuss about their own IQ; why would anyone be interested in a bunch of made-up IQs of dead people?
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Bord Chemist
Nevermind the question of why do people make such a fuss about their own IQ; why would anyone be interested in a bunch of made-up IQs of dead people?
These IQ estimate are not just made up like you suggest as we can deduct much from the biographies and historical accounts on these remarable people I E doing activities at the age of three to five that no intelligent normal adult could ever hope to achieve
I am intersest ed in IQ of dead people as you call them , because I would like to know if there is any correlation between greatness and high intellect
And the 740 views on this one to pip in forum show they also have an interest
Alan
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why then, do so many people like to bandy about their test scre? Or put so much emphasis on having one / knowing what yours is...
Pride an inferior complex or Superior complex , ofen also embellished with a large peace of untruth
Tosh! The test doesn't relly mean anything, anoraks may wish to swap IQ levels whilst writing down the number of the loco that just went past but that's about it. Why should one feel inferior to someone because of an IQ test? most people will lie if asked what their IQ is, in fact, most people will see having such a test as a waste of time.
And anyone who goes around bragging what his IQ is, well, I hope they have fun...
I now you like to throw names around in your posts, so what do you suppose stephen hawkins replied when aske "What is your I.Q.?"...It was:
"I have no idea. People who boast about their I.Q. are losers. "
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/12/magazine/12QUESTIONS.html
Bored Chemist:
"Nevermind the question of why do people make such a fuss about their own IQ; why would anyone be interested in a bunch of made-up IQs of dead people?"
How does BC do it? He manages to always kill a topic as senseless as this with just one line. Mr Chemist and Mr Hawkins, I salute you...oh hold on, should BC be listed after or before Hawkins? Does anyone here know how to complie lists?
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Prof Hawkins has just gone up in my estimation and that's no mean feat.
I had hoped it would kill the topic, but it seems I failed to note that "And the 740 views on this one to pip in forum show they also have an interest". I have to say that I can't argue with that.
Perhaps, since there seems to be some interest in establishing the link between greatness and IQ, we need to find the IQs of a few professional footballers and pop stars.
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Pual,
I now you like to throw names around in your posts, so what do you suppose stephen hawkins replied when aske "What is your I.Q.?"...It was
Who is throwing around names and to whom is that comment directed?
Do you think "MOST PEOPLE LIE" I dont!
Alan
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I think many people fall into temptation, given that a proper IQ measurement gives a range, to report the top of that range. Of course I'm perfectly sure that dead people don't lie about their IQs; they may lie in state or in their grave, but that's another matter.
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I think many people fall into temptation, given that a proper IQ measurement gives a range, to report the top of that range. Of course I'm perfectly sure that dead people don't lie about their IQs; they may "lie in state" or in their grave, but that's another matter
Should Lie in state not be "Lay in state"
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No. "they may have lain in state" would be another possibility but "they may have lay in state" is wrong.
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Semantics
There is nothing wrong with lay in state
Lay=put down =leave=put down=position=rest=set=place=arrange, must I continue?
There is no such word as “lain”
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My IQ is 1700. I am a new form in human evolution. "Homosuperior"
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There is no such word as “lain”
Oh dear. Didn't you learn your conjugations when at School?
"Lain" is the correct word. "Lay" is in common useage for a past participle but is not strictly correct.
~The language is going downhill but there is no need to give it any more pushes than necessary.
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Then it is a long time since I got lain