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Quote from: daveman on 10/02/2012 10:23:41Quote from: CCconfucius on 09/02/2012 22:55:08Quote from: Habibou on 09/02/2012 22:47:19Quote from: daveman on 09/02/2012 11:08:34answers Yes, at the very least there's enough evidence to look deeper. If it were just one that was on the low side, maybe not, but since there are so many related ALL below, and some well below.Who at kind of a doctor will you go to, and, the same one who prescribed the tests? Also, you may expect these kinds of readings from CFS, which you have already been diagnosed with right?BTW, you are in the group that doesn't get relief from niacin, right?Yes, I have CFS and I do not react to Niacin I will probably start a neuroleptic with a psychiatre in pharmacology who can treat "idiopathic fatigue"Did you get cfc before pois or pois cfc. Did your doctor say you have cfc because he cant wrap his head around,pois.it all sounds to much of a coincidence From what I remember, he was diagnosed with CFS as a result of POIS by quite a reputable doctor who knows POIS.POIS can drain the system and come to produce CFS.Quote from: kurtosis on 10/02/2012 11:04:46Quote from: Quasar on 09/02/2012 00:00:26Quote from: Habibou on 08/02/2012 21:42:47Finally, I got my urine test about neurotransmitters , 10 hours after an O : 3.54 creatinin dopamin 91.50 (170-256)0.4 dopac 0.4 (0.70-4)hva 1.90 (2.43-5.20)noradrenalin 10.30 (15-30)mhpg 1.5 (1.3-4.15)vma 1.60 (2.10-3.80)adrenalin 0.98 (1.27-6.10)serotonin 62.40 (61.50-116)hiaa 2.30 (2-4.20)hva/5htaa = 0.83 (1.25-2.56)We can notice that many standards are lower than the low average which means a lot for me ! As you can understand, I was very glad to discover so many abnormalities Wow Habibou! Have you talked with your doctor about the results? It's surprising that you are low in many neurotransmitters: Dopamine, Noradrenaline, Adrenaline. Serotonin is also low, but within the average. This does suggest the catecholamine depletion hypothesis might have some merit. Have you ever taken L-Tyrosine and, if so, what effect did it have?No, I never tried but I should probably ! I will see what my doctor suggests...Yes, I was diagnosed CFS in France after Dr Goldmeier checking and it was after some years of POIS and a lack of sleep for a period of 4 months...
Quote from: CCconfucius on 09/02/2012 22:55:08Quote from: Habibou on 09/02/2012 22:47:19Quote from: daveman on 09/02/2012 11:08:34answers Yes, at the very least there's enough evidence to look deeper. If it were just one that was on the low side, maybe not, but since there are so many related ALL below, and some well below.Who at kind of a doctor will you go to, and, the same one who prescribed the tests? Also, you may expect these kinds of readings from CFS, which you have already been diagnosed with right?BTW, you are in the group that doesn't get relief from niacin, right?Yes, I have CFS and I do not react to Niacin I will probably start a neuroleptic with a psychiatre in pharmacology who can treat "idiopathic fatigue"Did you get cfc before pois or pois cfc. Did your doctor say you have cfc because he cant wrap his head around,pois.it all sounds to much of a coincidence From what I remember, he was diagnosed with CFS as a result of POIS by quite a reputable doctor who knows POIS.POIS can drain the system and come to produce CFS.
Quote from: Habibou on 09/02/2012 22:47:19Quote from: daveman on 09/02/2012 11:08:34answers Yes, at the very least there's enough evidence to look deeper. If it were just one that was on the low side, maybe not, but since there are so many related ALL below, and some well below.Who at kind of a doctor will you go to, and, the same one who prescribed the tests? Also, you may expect these kinds of readings from CFS, which you have already been diagnosed with right?BTW, you are in the group that doesn't get relief from niacin, right?Yes, I have CFS and I do not react to Niacin I will probably start a neuroleptic with a psychiatre in pharmacology who can treat "idiopathic fatigue"Did you get cfc before pois or pois cfc. Did your doctor say you have cfc because he cant wrap his head around,pois.it all sounds to much of a coincidence
Quote from: daveman on 09/02/2012 11:08:34answers Yes, at the very least there's enough evidence to look deeper. If it were just one that was on the low side, maybe not, but since there are so many related ALL below, and some well below.Who at kind of a doctor will you go to, and, the same one who prescribed the tests? Also, you may expect these kinds of readings from CFS, which you have already been diagnosed with right?BTW, you are in the group that doesn't get relief from niacin, right?Yes, I have CFS and I do not react to Niacin I will probably start a neuroleptic with a psychiatre in pharmacology who can treat "idiopathic fatigue"
answers Yes, at the very least there's enough evidence to look deeper. If it were just one that was on the low side, maybe not, but since there are so many related ALL below, and some well below.Who at kind of a doctor will you go to, and, the same one who prescribed the tests? Also, you may expect these kinds of readings from CFS, which you have already been diagnosed with right?BTW, you are in the group that doesn't get relief from niacin, right?
Quote from: Quasar on 09/02/2012 00:00:26Quote from: Habibou on 08/02/2012 21:42:47Finally, I got my urine test about neurotransmitters , 10 hours after an O : 3.54 creatinin dopamin 91.50 (170-256)0.4 dopac 0.4 (0.70-4)hva 1.90 (2.43-5.20)noradrenalin 10.30 (15-30)mhpg 1.5 (1.3-4.15)vma 1.60 (2.10-3.80)adrenalin 0.98 (1.27-6.10)serotonin 62.40 (61.50-116)hiaa 2.30 (2-4.20)hva/5htaa = 0.83 (1.25-2.56)We can notice that many standards are lower than the low average which means a lot for me ! As you can understand, I was very glad to discover so many abnormalities Wow Habibou! Have you talked with your doctor about the results? It's surprising that you are low in many neurotransmitters: Dopamine, Noradrenaline, Adrenaline. Serotonin is also low, but within the average. This does suggest the catecholamine depletion hypothesis might have some merit. Have you ever taken L-Tyrosine and, if so, what effect did it have?
Quote from: Habibou on 08/02/2012 21:42:47Finally, I got my urine test about neurotransmitters , 10 hours after an O : 3.54 creatinin dopamin 91.50 (170-256)0.4 dopac 0.4 (0.70-4)hva 1.90 (2.43-5.20)noradrenalin 10.30 (15-30)mhpg 1.5 (1.3-4.15)vma 1.60 (2.10-3.80)adrenalin 0.98 (1.27-6.10)serotonin 62.40 (61.50-116)hiaa 2.30 (2-4.20)hva/5htaa = 0.83 (1.25-2.56)We can notice that many standards are lower than the low average which means a lot for me ! As you can understand, I was very glad to discover so many abnormalities Wow Habibou! Have you talked with your doctor about the results? It's surprising that you are low in many neurotransmitters: Dopamine, Noradrenaline, Adrenaline. Serotonin is also low, but within the average.
Finally, I got my urine test about neurotransmitters , 10 hours after an O : 3.54 creatinin dopamin 91.50 (170-256)0.4 dopac 0.4 (0.70-4)hva 1.90 (2.43-5.20)noradrenalin 10.30 (15-30)mhpg 1.5 (1.3-4.15)vma 1.60 (2.10-3.80)adrenalin 0.98 (1.27-6.10)serotonin 62.40 (61.50-116)hiaa 2.30 (2-4.20)hva/5htaa = 0.83 (1.25-2.56)We can notice that many standards are lower than the low average which means a lot for me ! As you can understand, I was very glad to discover so many abnormalities
Hello all. I am currently taking niacin before orgasm and chlorella, vitamin C, And Fish oil afterwards. I can't have more than 1 orgasm a week without terrible symptoms. My symptoms have been severely cognitive to the point where I have been diagnosed with everything from depression to schizophrenia. My POIS is also consistent with the better days being after the normal POIS period. The weird thing is that now, with these products, I have become better in the first few days after orgasm, but after a few days I begin to return to my constant POIS. So now I need an orgasm every few weeks to stay productive. Its almost like that vulnerable period after orgasm gives me an opportunity to supply my body and brain with the proper supplies but it soon runs out or something.Any thoughts would be appreciated. Also, if anyone has any questions for me I would be happy to help.We won't give up,Jon.
Quote from: jferr on 10/02/2012 20:11:56Hello all. I am currently taking niacin before orgasm and chlorella, vitamin C, And Fish oil afterwards. I can't have more than 1 orgasm a week without terrible symptoms. My symptoms have been severely cognitive to the point where I have been diagnosed with everything from depression to schizophrenia. My POIS is also consistent with the better days being after the normal POIS period. The weird thing is that now, with these products, I have become better in the first few days after orgasm, but after a few days I begin to return to my constant POIS. So now I need an orgasm every few weeks to stay productive. Its almost like that vulnerable period after orgasm gives me an opportunity to supply my body and brain with the proper supplies but it soon runs out or something.Any thoughts would be appreciated. Also, if anyone has any questions for me I would be happy to help.We won't give up,Jon.Hi Jon, I discussed abstinence with my doctor and they said something similar to the link herehttp://www.forbes.com/2003/10/08/cz_af_1008health.htmlIt's not good for you in the long run and can contribute to depression. I noticed that abstinence during my college years led to obsessive behavior surrounding my studies that, while it benefited my grades, didn't endear me to anybody. This is why I believe that abstinence isn't the cure for POIS and probably needs medical supervision including anti-depressants. Can I make a suggestion re. the supplementation, as something that I've found myself. When you feel the supplementation has helped you feel better after an O, reduce it. It's a great O-recovery formula but the dosages of b3 & b6 in particular is quite high with that supplementation regimen. On non-Pois days (2 days after O) I'm skipping the multi-vit, taking just the chlorella and spirulina powder in a single glass of water and 2 caps of krill oil (morning and night). I might take 1.5g of vitamin c with this if I feel I need it.I've also scaled back to ZMA on alternate nights. If I have an O I'll take it that night but otherwise it's alternating. If I had the smaller caps of ZMA I'd probably alternate 1 versus 2 caps / night. And I've increased my exercise to a long walk every day and a 30 minute workout every 2nd day. The exercise helps alleviate depression and POIS made me feel very depressed. I noticed that even though the supplementation was helping the symptoms greatly I was still spending lots of time thinking about POIS symptoms, cognitive performance etc. This can be really destructive as you're constantly waiting for the POIS bogeyman to appear. Perhaps CBT would help. But so far, I feel a lot better than I did 6 months ago. More productive, brighter outlook etc.
Kurtosis,Is L-tyrosine a perscription "drug/element". How is it bought, what form does it take, pill, capsule?How do you get it, or when is it recommended usually? etc.
I'm currently a premedical student and I was interested in the possibility of doing some basic research on POIS and maybe presenting it in the future (a few years down the road). In order to understand POIS I really want to look at possible mechanisms of action. In order to do that, I need to gather data on a few things:Do you have any food allergies? (If you 'think' you may don't list them)If so, what are some of the symptoms you experience if you ingest these foods?Of these foods, which do you actively avoid? What are your acute POIS symptoms? How long do they last?Are you undergoing any treatments (herbal, medical, abstinence, etc.)?Are they effective?Have you previously undergone therapy? If so, how effective were they, why did you discontinue use?Do you have any of the following conditions: IBS, Celiacs Disease, Graves Disease, Chronic Fatigue unrelated to POIS, mental illness, any autoimmune conditions (including known environmental allergies)? Please be sure to label which of these are self diagnosed and have been diagnosed by a physician?If you know, do you commonly experience low blood sugar after a bout of POIS? Dizziness? What happens to your appetite after a during an episode?Have you been diagnosed with any major illnesses, both acute and chronic? (Pneumonia, Asthma, Diabetes, etc.)Any other information you'd like to include Thanks I'm looking forward to your responses!I also posted this on POIS Center if you'd prefer to answer there: http://poiscenter.com/forums/index.php?topic=322.msg4034#msg4034
Please, take a look at this: http://www.webmd.com/infertility-and-reproduction/antisperm-antibody-testBTW, properly speaking, Pois is an Autoimmune disease (allergy to ourselfs). Plain allergies are only related to outside substances...I think the skin ***** test is a useful tool, but shouldn't we also, in general, be doing the "Antisperm Antibody Test" they usually do to women? I mean, it is a test that is available right now, everywhere, the only difference would be that they would have to take the blood sample from ourselfs, not from the woman. "An antisperm antibody test looks for special proteins (antibodies) that fight against a man's sperm in blood, vaginal fluids (not the case), or semen. "
Quote from: Quasar on 10/02/2012 17:06:05Please, take a look at this: http://www.webmd.com/infertility-and-reproduction/antisperm-antibody-testBTW, properly speaking, Pois is an Autoimmune disease (allergy to ourselfs). Plain allergies are only related to outside substances...I think the skin ***** test is a useful tool, but shouldn't we also, in general, be doing the "Antisperm Antibody Test" they usually do to women? I mean, it is a test that is available right now, everywhere, the only difference would be that they would have to take the blood sample from ourselfs, not from the woman. "An antisperm antibody test looks for special proteins (antibodies) that fight against a man's sperm in blood, vaginal fluids (not the case), or semen. "I second Quasar's point -- if this antisperm antibody test is already readily available (usually performed for women), why haven't we tried to see how we POIS-sufferers respond to it?
Quote from: Guthrie on 12/02/2012 18:18:13Quote from: Quasar on 10/02/2012 17:06:05Please, take a look at this: http://www.webmd.com/infertility-and-reproduction/antisperm-antibody-testBTW, properly speaking, Pois is an Autoimmune disease (allergy to ourselfs). Plain allergies are only related to outside substances...I think the skin ***** test is a useful tool, but shouldn't we also, in general, be doing the "Antisperm Antibody Test" they usually do to women? I mean, it is a test that is available right now, everywhere, the only difference would be that they would have to take the blood sample from ourselfs, not from the woman. "An antisperm antibody test looks for special proteins (antibodies) that fight against a man's sperm in blood, vaginal fluids (not the case), or semen. "I second Quasar's point -- if this antisperm antibody test is already readily available (usually performed for women), why haven't we tried to see how we POIS-sufferers respond to it?Just in case there is one of the "famous friends of POIS doctors" who does those tests. I can't remember which one, not sure enough to mention a name, don't want to give credit to the wrong doctor. But we have had a few members, at least two I think, that have done those tests.Again. another reason to get all our information organized onto one space.Also, just in case, many, many men have sperm antibodies. A great percentage of men with vasectomies have them. They don't present a problem until sperm crosses the blood barrier.
Quote from: daveman on 12/02/2012 21:39:04Quote from: Guthrie on 12/02/2012 18:18:13Quote from: Quasar on 10/02/2012 17:06:05Please, take a look at this: http://www.webmd.com/infertility-and-reproduction/antisperm-antibody-testBTW, properly speaking, Pois is an Autoimmune disease (allergy to ourselfs). Plain allergies are only related to outside substances...I think the skin ***** test is a useful tool, but shouldn't we also, in general, be doing the "Antisperm Antibody Test" they usually do to women? I mean, it is a test that is available right now, everywhere, the only difference would be that they would have to take the blood sample from ourselfs, not from the woman. "An antisperm antibody test looks for special proteins (antibodies) that fight against a man's sperm in blood, vaginal fluids (not the case), or semen. "I second Quasar's point -- if this antisperm antibody test is already readily available (usually performed for women), why haven't we tried to see how we POIS-sufferers respond to it?Just in case there is one of the "famous friends of POIS doctors" who does those tests. I can't remember which one, not sure enough to mention a name, don't want to give credit to the wrong doctor. But we have had a few members, at least two I think, that have done those tests.Again. another reason to get all our information organized onto one space.Also, just in case, many, many men have sperm antibodies. A great percentage of men with vasectomies have them. They don't present a problem until sperm crosses the blood barrier.Tomorrow if i have time i'll create a thread for this in the other froum. It would be interesting to find those 2 members.You are right, a lot of men with vasectomies have them. But, it would be great to know if Pois members (those that didn't get a vasectomy) do have Antisperm Antibodies. I mean, us, like "normal" people, shouldn't have those Antibodies. If a high % of us have those antibodies, it could prove the Autoimmune theory, and that we have a leakage somewhere. So, it goes to my list of tests i want to do, together with the skin p-r-i-c-k test too, of course.
My Primary physician has recently prescribed me Meloxicam, a 24-hr Anti-inflammatory. Yes, I understand the dangers of a over using NSAIDs, but I'm young and taking them in conjunction with pepcid, so I'm willing to take the risk for now.I've been taking it for 3 days now and feel a good amount better. I know the forum has explored NSAIDs in the past. I've searched NSF for info and spent 30 mins reading posts, but there are too many.Daveman, Demo, other long-time members - can you give me a summary as to people's past experiences with these 24-hr NSAIDs?