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General Science => General Science => Topic started by: smart on 06/05/2016 12:08:54
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Biological systems are beyond the Turing paradigm: How is non-classical hypercomputation possible in biological systems?
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Does biological hypercomputation by water activity in microtubules demonstrate the wave-particle duality of consciousness? The neurotransmission of serotonin may control the non-locality of synaptic quantum tunnelling inside neurons. Thus, biological hypercomputation may be the quantum mecanism to decode the physics of consciousness.
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Neurons pump and exchange sodium and potassium cations, segregating these ions on opposite sides of the neuron membrane. This not only build up an energy potential in the membrane, called the membrane potential, but it also lowers ionic entropy by creating order in terms of these two cations. These ions would prefer to blend and form a uniform solution to maximize entropy. But the neuron segregates these ions and concentrates sodium outside and potassium inside, which lowers the cationic entropy.
Sodium and Potassium ions have the opposite impact on water, even though both have a single positive charge. Sodium ions are kosmotropic or created order in water, while potassium ions are chaotropic or create chaos or disorder in water. Each cation will induce the water to hydrogen bond in slightly different ways, which impacts the organics in the water.
The net result is neurons builds a dual potential; energy and entropy, and will eventually need to lower energy and increase entropy; neuron firing. The neuron is designed to be an accident waiting to happen; will need to spontaneously fire. While the kosmotropic and chaotropic nature of sodium and potassium ions, in the context of firing, reverses the hydrogen bonding in the water, having an impact on equilibrium organic shapes and dynamics.
When the membrane potential is created, sodium ions create order outside the neuron, while potassium ions creates disorder inside the neuron. When the neurons fires, and the ions reverse, there is now more disorder outside the neuron, at the same time entropy is trying to increase. This amounts to ions currents outside the neuron that can extend beyond the neuron to express the entropy rise. While sodium ions, which are now inside the neurons, creates order, such as in the microtubules; memory. The combined affect is memory and a creative change; consciousness.
A good analogy is a water fountain. The water is pumped inside a pipe to the top of the fountain; pipe lowers entropy to create order, will also increasing energy potential. Once it exits the pipe, the water seeks to lower potential; cascades down the fountain. The neurons are constantly restoring the neuron potentials; pumping the water anew, which constantly cascades down the fountain. The flow of water is sort of the same; energy, but is always slightly different, as the water works down the tiers of the fountain; entropy increase. This is the basis for consciousness.
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Biological hypercomputation is intrinsically linked to pharmacological introspection of the mind via CB1 partial agonism. Conscious access of informations by retrograde endocannabinoid signaling potentiate neuronal hypercomputation in striatal neurons.
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Biological hypercomputation is intrinsically linked to pharmacological introspection of the mind via CB1 partial agonism. Conscious access of informations by retrograde endocannabinoid signaling potentiate neuronal hypercomputation in striatal neurons.
Lol! did you use a random generator to produce that, or have you been reading Hameroff & Penrose too long?
Alternatively, explain in your own words what you think it means.
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Biological hypercomputation is intrinsically linked to pharmacological introspection of the mind via CB1 partial agonism. Conscious access of informations by retrograde endocannabinoid signaling potentiate neuronal hypercomputation in striatal neurons.
Lol! did you use a random generator to produce that, or have you been reading Hameroff & Penrose too long?
Alternatively, explain in your own words what you think it means.
Conscious access (introspection) can be stimulated by cannabinoids. Introspection is a form of discrete hypercomputation and stimulate conscious activity.
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Conscious access (introspection) can be stimulated by cannabinoids. Introspection is a form of hypercomputation and stimulate consciousness.
I know plenty about introspection and cannabinoids ([;)]). Tell me why you think hypercomputation is involved and what role the striatum plays.
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Conscious access (introspection) can be stimulated by cannabinoids. Introspection is a form of hypercomputation and stimulate consciousness.
I know plenty about introspection and cannabinoids ([;)]). Tell me why you think hypercomputation is involved and what role the striatum plays.
The striatum provides an environment for monoaminergic neurons and caffeine increase availability of D2/D3 receptor expression. Introspection stimulate dopamine and serotonin releases in the striatum.
Neuronal hypercomputation via THC administration facilitate introspection by caffeine uptake and partial CB1 agonism.
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The striatum provides an environment for monoaminergic neurons and caffeine increase availability of D2/D3 receptor expression. Introspection stimulate dopamine and serotonin releases in the striatum.
But what does that achieve? Why is the striatum relevant to introspection?
Neuronal hypercomputation via THC administration facilitate introspection by caffeine uptake and partial CB1 agonism.
But why do you think hypercomputation is required for introspection? what does it provide? what is the evidence for it in the striatum?
All I'm after is a clear explanation of what you think is going on, because what you've said so far sounds like Hameroff bafflegab.
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The striatum provides an environment for monoaminergic neurons and caffeine increase availability of D2/D3 receptor expression. Introspection stimulate dopamine and serotonin releases in the striatum.
But what does that achieve? Why is the striatum relevant to introspection?
Neuronal hypercomputation via THC administration facilitate introspection by caffeine uptake and partial CB1 agonism.
But why do you think hypercomputation is required for introspection? what does it provide? what is the evidence for it in the striatum?
All I'm after is a clear explanation of what you think is going on, because what you've said so far sounds like Hameroff bafflegab.
The Hameroff-Penrose Orch OR theory is the basis of biological hypercomputation hypothesis: Synaptic activity and hypercomputation in the striatum stimulate pharmacological introspection via cannabinoids administration.
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The Hameroff-Penrose Orch OR theory is the basis of biological hypercomputation hypothesis: Synaptic activity and hypercomputation in the striatum stimulate pharmacological introspection via cannabinoids administration.
Ah, OK; it is Hameroff bafflegab. Don't look too close, it's all smoke & mirrors.
If you want to get a more realistic picture of current consciousness research, check out some of the ideas from people who work in the field, such as J. Kevin O'Regan (http://nivea.psycho.univ-paris5.fr/#SM_Approach), Anil Seth (http://www.anilseth.com/), Patrick Haggard (https://iris.ucl.ac.uk/iris/browse/profile?upi=PHAGG98), Adam Zeman (http://psychology.exeter.ac.uk/staff/index.php?web_id=adam_zeman), Liz Paul (http://www.bristol.ac.uk/vetscience/people/38480/index.html), Ophelia Deroy (http://www.opheliaderoy.co.uk/), and so-on.
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The Hameroff-Penrose Orch OR theory is the basis of biological hypercomputation hypothesis: Synaptic activity and hypercomputation in the striatum stimulate pharmacological introspection via cannabinoids administration.
Ah, OK; it is Hameroff bafflegab. Don't look too close, it's all smoke & mirrors.
Err no. The foundation of quantum theory of the mind is current (2014) research. See this: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1571064513001188
If you want to get a more realistic picture of current consciousness research, check out some of the ideas from people who work in the field, such as J. Kevin O'Regan (http://nivea.psycho.univ-paris5.fr/#SM_Approach), Anil Seth (http://www.anilseth.com/), Patrick Haggard (https://iris.ucl.ac.uk/iris/browse/profile?upi=PHAGG98), Adam Zeman (http://psychology.exeter.ac.uk/staff/index.php?web_id=adam_zeman), Liz Paul (http://www.bristol.ac.uk/vetscience/people/38480/index.html), Ophelia Deroy (http://www.opheliaderoy.co.uk/), and so-on.
Thanks for the links. Hypercomputation research in living systems is very interesting. In particular, the topic of discrete dopaminergic computations in the striatum is my current focus.
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Err no. The foundation of quantum theory of the mind is current (2014) research. See this: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1571064513001188
Er, yes; I've read that stuff - I've been following Orch OR since P & H first proposed it (it was a fair bit different then) - and it simply doesn't hang together. It's a bunch of unsupported assertions and speculative hypotheses in a matrix of cell biology, held together with a large dollop of quantum woo.
Hypercomputation research in living systems is very interesting. In particular, the topic of discrete dopaminergic computations in the striatum is my current focus.
Good luck with that.