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Non Life Sciences => Physics, Astronomy & Cosmology => Topic started by: thedoc on 07/12/2015 10:50:02

Title: What is the best definition for albedo?
Post by: thedoc on 07/12/2015 10:50:02
Ed Wilson  asked the Naked Scientists:
   Most definitions of albedo talk in terms of real-world planetary surfaces, so a value of 1 describes a "perfectly white" surface.  Some definitions say the perfectly reflective surface is a mirror.  How do the two definitions relate to each other?  Does a white surface, if it gets more and more perfectly white, become a mirror?

When considering albedo with reference to global warming, wavelengths other than the visible spectrum are relevant.  Does a surface have the same albedo value for all wavelengths?  I doubt it.




 
What do you think?
Title: Re: What is the best definition for albedo?
Post by: evan_au on 08/12/2015 11:19:27
Quote from: Ed Wilson
a value of 1 describes a "perfectly white" surface.  Some definitions say the perfectly reflective surface is a mirror.  How do the two definitions relate to each other?
The essence of both definitions is that they reflect 100% of the light that falls on them, without absorbing any of it.
One difference is that:

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Does a white surface, if it gets more and more perfectly white, become a mirror?
I would say that

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Does a surface have the same albedo value for all wavelengths?
No. All chemicals (like paper) have an infra-red spectrum, corresponding to energy levels of the molecules.

Metallic mirror surfaces have fairly uniform reflectance over a wide range of frequencies (although the color of gold & copper shows that they are not entirely uniform over the visible spectrum).

But if you go too high in frequency (eg X-Rays and Gamma rays), they tend to go straight through most materials, rather than being reflected. 
Title: Re: What is the best definition for albedo?
Post by: evan_au on 09/12/2015 20:29:58
One anomalous case of albedo is with optical whiteners, as used in some clothes detergents.

These use the fact that sunlight and some indoors lighting have a component of invisible ultraviolet (UV) light.

Using fluorescence, the invisible UV produces visible light, so the object appears to emit more than 100% of the visible light falling on it. This results in an "impossible" albedo at visible wavelengths, although it is compensated by a very low albedo at UV wavelengths.

Clothes treated this way glow brightly in locations lit by UV lamps.

Some clothes detergents were advertised as being "whiter than white"; when challenged as being an unscientific advertising slogan, they were able to show that it is based on good science (and good chemistry).