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quote:Originally posted by Andy28Well i hope i don't offend you by telling you i have served 4 prison sentences and have made the national papers in 1998. I have been hooked on heroin and am an alcoholic. All this at 28. That does'nt mean that i can't now behave like a normal citizen and have an opinion that criminals should be adequately punished. Forums need outspoken people otherwise they become stale.
quote:Originally posted by Andy28I know what you mean. When you are 'clucking' it makes you irrational and you do things you would'nt normally. I would never kill anybody because i have'nt got it in my nature but i still agree with capital punishment. The reason for that is because it is killing to prevent killing so it is justified in my view.
quote:Originally posted by Carolynquote:Originally posted by Andy28Well i hope i don't offend you by telling you i have served 4 prison sentences and have made the national papers in 1998. I have been hooked on heroin and am an alcoholic. All this at 28. That does'nt mean that i can't now behave like a normal citizen and have an opinion that criminals should be adequately punished. Forums need outspoken people otherwise they become stale.Hi Andy - I certainly am not offended by you having served 4 prison terms. You are very young to have gone through all that. What's important is that you've learned from your past, both the failures and successes. We all have things from our past that we're not so proud of. For instance, I bet most people would be surprised to know that I too have been charged with a felony. I did not serve prison time fortunately, but I was arrested, and fingerprinted and all of that humiliating stuff that goes with it. I'm currently under a deferred prosecution agreement for the next few years, so if I screw up, I could very well go to prison. I didn't make the national news, but it might as well have been (I live in a tiny little town). I was the lead story in the local news, papers and radio. It was by far, one of the most trying times of my life. The humiliation was almost unbearable for me. I lost my business, and my family was subjected to the humiliation as well. That's probably what was the hardest for me, knowing what my loved ones were having to deal with because of me. I found out very quickly who my friends were.Please don't take this as a criticism, it is certainly not meant that way. I'm just very curious about this. For me, going through all of this has given me more compassion. I used to be very unsympathetic when it came to law breakers and was very much for the death penalty. Now I guess I can see both sides. What purpose would it serve for me to have spent time in prison? I'm still "paying back my debt to society", so to speak. It would've cost the tax payers a lot more money to send me to prison, my children would suffer and my husband quite possibly would've ended up on welfare.I know my crime doesn't compare to murder, but I still have a very hard time, for lack of a better term, sitting in judgement of people.Carolyn
quote:Originally posted by Andy28quote:Originally posted by Carolynquote:Originally posted by Andy28Well i hope i don't offend you by telling you i have served 4 prison sentences and have made the national papers in 1998. I have been hooked on heroin and am an alcoholic. All this at 28. That does'nt mean that i can't now behave like a normal citizen and have an opinion that criminals should be adequately punished. Forums need outspoken people otherwise they become stale.Hi Andy - I certainly am not offended by you having served 4 prison terms. You are very young to have gone through all that. What's important is that you've learned from your past, both the failures and successes. We all have things from our past that we're not so proud of. For instance, I bet most people would be surprised to know that I too have been charged with a felony. I did not serve prison time fortunately, but I was arrested, and fingerprinted and all of that humiliating stuff that goes with it. I'm currently under a deferred prosecution agreement for the next few years, so if I screw up, I could very well go to prison. I didn't make the national news, but it might as well have been (I live in a tiny little town). I was the lead story in the local news, papers and radio. It was by far, one of the most trying times of my life. The humiliation was almost unbearable for me. I lost my business, and my family was subjected to the humiliation as well. That's probably what was the hardest for me, knowing what my loved ones were having to deal with because of me. I found out very quickly who my friends were.Please don't take this as a criticism, it is certainly not meant that way. I'm just very curious about this. For me, going through all of this has given me more compassion. I used to be very unsympathetic when it came to law breakers and was very much for the death penalty. Now I guess I can see both sides. What purpose would it serve for me to have spent time in prison? I'm still "paying back my debt to society", so to speak. It would've cost the tax payers a lot more money to send me to prison, my children would suffer and my husband quite possibly would've ended up on welfare.I know my crime doesn't compare to murder, but I still have a very hard time, for lack of a better term, sitting in judgement of people.CarolynThis was my point earlier. First people say the death penalty is wrong and next comes 'what purpose would my imprisonment serve'. We have to have rules and we have to be punished when we break them. That is the purpose - punishment.
quote:What purpose would it serve for me to have spent time in prison? I'm still "paying back my debt to society", so to speak. It would've cost the tax payers a lot more money to send me to prison, my children would suffer and my husband quite possibly would've ended up on welfare.
quote:Originally posted by science_guyI think that sombody murders another, they should live in prison the number of years that person that was murdered had left in his/her live, to a minimum of 15. If a person that was murdered at 50 and was projected to live till 80, the killer should be in prison for 30 years.
quote:Originally posted by Carolynquote:Originally posted by Andy28quote:Originally posted by Carolynquote:Originally posted by Andy28Well i hope i don't offend you by telling you i have served 4 prison sentences and have made the national papers in 1998. I have been hooked on heroin and am an alcoholic. All this at 28. That does'nt mean that i can't now behave like a normal citizen and have an opinion that criminals should be adequately punished. Forums need outspoken people otherwise they become stale.Hi Andy - I certainly am not offended by you having served 4 prison terms. You are very young to have gone through all that. What's important is that you've learned from your past, both the failures and successes. We all have things from our past that we're not so proud of. For instance, I bet most people would be surprised to know that I too have been charged with a felony. I did not serve prison time fortunately, but I was arrested, and fingerprinted and all of that humiliating stuff that goes with it. I'm currently under a deferred prosecution agreement for the next few years, so if I screw up, I could very well go to prison. I didn't make the national news, but it might as well have been (I live in a tiny little town). I was the lead story in the local news, papers and radio. It was by far, one of the most trying times of my life. The humiliation was almost unbearable for me. I lost my business, and my family was subjected to the humiliation as well. That's probably what was the hardest for me, knowing what my loved ones were having to deal with because of me. I found out very quickly who my friends were.Please don't take this as a criticism, it is certainly not meant that way. I'm just very curious about this. For me, going through all of this has given me more compassion. I used to be very unsympathetic when it came to law breakers and was very much for the death penalty. Now I guess I can see both sides. What purpose would it serve for me to have spent time in prison? I'm still "paying back my debt to society", so to speak. It would've cost the tax payers a lot more money to send me to prison, my children would suffer and my husband quite possibly would've ended up on welfare.I know my crime doesn't compare to murder, but I still have a very hard time, for lack of a better term, sitting in judgement of people.CarolynThis was my point earlier. First people say the death penalty is wrong and next comes 'what purpose would my imprisonment serve'. We have to have rules and we have to be punished when we break them. That is the purpose - punishment.I did not say that I should not have been punished.quote:What purpose would it serve for me to have spent time in prison? I'm still "paying back my debt to society", so to speak. It would've cost the tax payers a lot more money to send me to prison, my children would suffer and my husband quite possibly would've ended up on welfare.I said what purpose would it have served for me to go to prison? I was punished, quite severely, thank you very much. I am still being punished, and will continue to be punished for another 2-3 years. The only people that suffered from my crime were my family and myself.Carolyn
quote:Originally posted by Andy28I'm not saying that in your particular case that you should have been banged up. Seeing as you were'nt it must have been a misdemeanor as your country will send you to jail for almost anything. I do think the USA goes over the top when it comes to length of sentence for other things other than murder. I heard one guy got 7 years for drink driving and another got life for nicking pizza (Under the 3 strikes and you're out law)!
quote:Originally posted by Andy28I'm not really clued up on the American justice thing. What does felony mean? I take it it means you are in the sh*t?