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On the Lighter Side => New Theories => Topic started by: kilav on 05/09/2009 10:23:18
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Dear ladies and gentlemen!
I wish to offer you a material for joint research on a theme:
THE FOSSIL OF PEOPLE IS FOUND TOGETHER WITH DINOSAURS
The subjects made by the person, and also: splinters of people, animals and plants transformed to a stone, at action cataclysm, have confirmed the given opening. For acquaintance to a material I offer more than 80 found subjects and 270 photos. This part of a museum created in an epoch of dinosaurs hundred millions years ago is found in a vicinity of Moscow.
Here photos:
http://picasaweb.google.ru/valentindolzhenko
During studying of a role of natural selection in evolution of organisms, Charles Darwin and its followers assumed: the period (time) of occurrence of the reasonable person on our planet represents 50 and even 250 thousand years ago.
However in a vicinity of Moscow it is found: a fossil of people together with dinosaurs. Heads of people which were turned to stone completely correspond to anatomy of the modern person. Besides, torn off by claws of a dinosaur the head of the adult woman, has damage. Owing to a strong bruise of a head in the conditions of own house in which there lived these civilized people, at a head the right angle (90 degrees) has been formed.
Simultaneously with the reasonable person, there were also more primitive forms of people. The trace of a steel rasp testifies to it on a brain of the savage killed by the person.
In the course of studying of the bitten subjects the trace of thorns which corresponds to the form of the flower petals located on a surface of a jaw of a dinosaur has been found out.
The given test is absolutely specific to identification of a teeth of a dinosaur at presence transformed in a stone of its saliva and blood, in case of damage of own cheek. Besides during optical increase each thorn again forms a similar flower, but already consisting of smaller thorns. A seal of these teeth were kept on subjects made by the person, and also on fragments of the bodies transformed into a stone, people, animals and plants.
And consequently as in the nature there is nothing except its inconsistent forms of life, a teeth of dinosaurs not only has erased a civilization in a powder, but also has allowed us to open it. (Consider, please, photos). http://picasaweb.google.ru/valentindolzhenko/THECIVILIZATIONOFTHEEPOCHOFDINOSAURSISFOUNDINRUSSIA
The set below the listed subjects, confirms a variety of levels of a civilization, since the tool of the Stone Age irrigated by blood, up to the iron weight and the parts of asphalt bitten by a dinosaur.
The culinary products made by the person, the bread baked in the form of a paw of a dinosaur, a part of a head of the big animal, chopped off by an axe, parts of a body of animals roasted on a fire, mushrooms, a pumpkin the baked, mature pear, and also the painful tooth of the person transformed into quartz.
In the same place are found undergone a fossil: 3 heads of dinosaurs, a muscular fabric of a dinosaur, egg dans l'ovaire females of the dinosaur, received by means of surgical operation and other parts of an organism.
It is very important that it is found not only a fossil of bones, but also many different parts of a body of an organism of people, animals and plants which also were turned to stone.
The products made of metal, ceramics, Ferro-concrete, the transparent crystals created by the nature in the form of a hedgehog, also are bitten by a dinosaur in the presence of its saliva turned to stone and blood.
People of an epoch of dinosaurs carried out various experiments for the purpose of studying of structure of heart and a brain. It is shown well by photos. They have embodied a fossil of heart of the adult person and a brain of the newborn child, in the presence of the contrast substance applied in experiment hundred millions years ago.
All these subjects have been collected by the person in an epoch of dinosaurs for the purpose of creation of a museum of the lost forms of a civilization.
Besides the aforesaid, it is necessary to pay attention and that the age of the found head of the dinosaur transformed to a stone, is equal to approximately three billions years, that is, it ten times exceeds an antiquity of occurrence of the dinosaurs known in a science. And as, geochemistry with geophysics prove, that on the Earth and in space there is nothing more ancient, than a granite then the teeth of other dinosaur transformed to a granite, have age of our Earth which already five billions years.
The technical progress inherent in mankind, gradually accelerating rates on a planet, promoted elimination of set of kinds of animals which inevitably entered with it the contradiction, and especially dinosaurs. At the same time, other forms of organisms, occupied space of the disappeared kinds. We were particularly convinced of it on an example of last centuries of own evolution which inconsistent essence was at all times and remains invariable.
But if hundred millions years ago the mankind had high level of technical progress, by means of which it could change world around to exclude an attack of dinosaurs on the car in the course of travel on asphalt road why so a lot of time was required for the restoration, the lost level?
Probably, periodic return of this kind of cataclysms was the main obstacle for restoration of the lost civilization. And only through long millions years, stones have been transformed into sand, by means of a wind and water in the course of what there was a gradual restoration of a fertile soil.
Whether it is valid on planets and in the nature so: stones of various structures are generated in the course of synthesis of substance, which undergoes further a mineralization?!
In this case it turns out so: organisms which absorb photons, protons, neutrons, kernels of Helium and other elementary particles, synthesize substance, and thus increase weight of a planet. Splinters of planets, comets and asteroids at falling on a star, mutually increase its weight and duration of a luminescence. It, certainly, contradicts formation of bodies by means of cold or hot merge of substance, in the absence of its synthesis in the nature, but thought up in a head of astrophysicists.
On the basis of the received facts is drawn a conclusion that people live in unity of biological forms during long time. That is why the greatest error of a modern science consists that time of disappearance of primitive forms of people destroyed by the person, by mistake is accepted as the period of occurrence of the person reasonable.
As to me I do not concern neither anthropology, nor to paleontology and archeology. Never I participate in expeditions, I do not organize special searches and consequently at all I do not know any expert from the mentioned areas of a science. However curiosity inherent in my nature compels me to pay attention and to subjects of our history. Organisms which are turned to stone, I, as a rule, find almost at a threshold of houses where I should live. Whether bring these stones from open-cast mines with gravel for a construction of roads, or from bogs with the black earth for a covering of lawns.
It is quite probable that my participation in penetration into secret of natural selection and a reproduction of viable organisms inevitably, i.e., irrespective of own desire has connected my destiny to destiny of Charles Darwin’s and, in particular, has led to detection of the people who have undergone a mineralization in an epoch of dinosaurs. What it is destiny?
About it is possible to read in published article: «The secret of natural selection and a reproduction of viable organisms»
In English: http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/86/topic/720546
Or: http://picasaweb.google.ru/valentindolzhenko
But it is more correctly told in Russian in article http://www.geneforum.ru/topic658.html
Here for the first time it is formulated: «the Law of unity of material transitions or the Law of indissolubility of attributes of life». Experimentally established Law in a root changes representation about development and preservation of the nature. It means that the facts which testify to preservation and nature development, by mistake, i.e. in absence of substantiation have been declared by a science in the form of independent from each other, and consequently laws perverting a reality.
So was on an example of mammals is experimentally found, criterion of health according to which operates {work}: natural selection and a reproduction of viable organisms, and also an interdiction and realization of infinite variants of pathology. The established criterion allows carrying out the control of parental levels of viability before the beginning of conception of descendants, and opens a new era in prevention of illnesses at people and animals during their reproduction.
The received result of researches completely corresponds to Darwinism and simultaneously promotes its further development.
Yours faithfully: the author of a find, researches and the owner of the patent: «The method of selection and reproduction of viable organisms» Dr. (Mr.) Valentine Pavlovich Dolzhenko.
The address: 125057, Moscow, City polyclinic ¹ 71, the Chapaevsky lane, the house 4, Russia.
Phone: 89096380353. An E-mail: w2002w@bk.ru
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This is VERY dubious "research" and not very well reasoned. ALL material provided in picture form is obviously not from any life process but the result of geologic processes and the activity of humans. The area of Moscow discussed is Cretaceous. This below was dropped on the ground in the last 250 years; it was never part of a Cretaceous sediment - I have never seen a fossil with a hallmark forged on it.
This is thee picture:
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It is an old Russian strength training weight. You can buy one of these on the web - just search for Russian Kettelbells. This is a recent artifact. Just because it has scratch marks and what Dr. Dolzhenko incorrectly believes to be blood on it does not mean it has been chewed by a dinosaur not do the blood exist. Blood id never preserved in fossils except in rare cases of insects in amber. Blood is too unstable to remain intact over a few days, much less millions of years.
Just because things look similar in shape dose mot mean they are the same thing. None of these are fossils, except perhaps
Dr. Dolzhenko probably has a degree in the humanities, not science.
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I have to agree with JimBob. I can see no evidence of anything you suggest in these pictures. The one JB shows above is obviously recent, as is this one:
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Its a likeness of a modern day pig! With modern writing on it.
Are you serious, or are you having a laugh?
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Regarding old stuff that has been dug up (or mined): has anyone heard anything recent concerning the Freiberg lignite skull? See the link below for a pretty reasonable, albeit old, summary concerning this artifact.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/827497/posts (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/827497/posts)
I would have expected someone to have actually tested the d*mn thing by now, but I've not heard of any news about it for years.
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I think The Discovery Institute in Seattle would be very interested in this.
http://www.discovery.org/
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I suppose the answer is, why test something you know, or have a sneaking suspicion, to be a fake. It could show you to be a con artist or gullible fool, or just be considered a waste of funds.
Then there is the mystery factor, like Nessy, Big Foot and the Yeti.
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http://www.edconrad.com/ Ed Conrad has some interesting artifacts.
I have to agree that the pictures shown from Russia and their interpretations from the English text not only fail to stimulate interest, but tend to push people away from the discoveries.
A suggestion approach rather than drawing any solid conclusions might prove easier to sit with more people and could draw more interest in the site where these fossils were found. Maybe there are more clues beneath the soil that could further this discussion?
I met a man from Australia earlier this year, we had a long talk about the state of the Australian landscape and this led to talking about his land close to the coast being excavated for phosphate, where he has found many fossils and simply locked them away for fear of having the mine closed for research purposes.
I have no doubt that somewhere out there lies the answers to prove that mankind is far older than previously thought possible, but we need more convincing evidence than yours unfortunately.
Andrew
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I have no doubt that somewhere out there lies the answers to prove that mankind is far older than previously thought possible
Why?
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Flintstones, anyone? Muhahaha
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I have no doubt that somewhere out there lies the answers to prove that mankind is far older than previously thought possible
Why?
Because it will inevitably push our knowledge further than it is today!
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But why would you think mankind is older than we currently think possible?
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This could probably be the discussion being done by the Creationist Museum.
Because they says that the earth is only thousand years old, and therefore dinosaurs must co-exists with human beings.
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That's not a bad point wanhafizi. It could be yet another conspiracy.
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I mentioned above that the Discovery Institute might be interested, but Wanhahizi's point made me wonder it they actually funding it!
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Dear Dr Wanhafizi!
I understand you, and is very grateful to you for the information!
However it is necessary to remember that, the fossil of people, shows the same version of structure and an antiquity of formation which corresponds to a fossil of dinosaurs.
Interestingly, geologists can reveal this conformity?
And if this conformity is in the nature then why we argue?
And why so much to this theme it is devoted magazines, scientific works, dissertations and scientists which spoil a paper and spend the huge finance of tax bearers?
Or it because, this point in question not only religious, scientific, philosophical, but also political?!
Dr. (Mr.) Valentine Dolzhenko.
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I will tell to you Newton's word: Give me the address of scientific laboratory of dating of fossils, and I will carry out revolution in anthropology!
But I cannot find it in the Internet.
Yours faithfully: the author of a find Dr. (Mr.) Valentine Dolzhenko.
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Any University in Russia that has a geology department will be able to date this OR will be able to give you information about a lab that can do the dating.
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There was a site in Texas where dinosaur footprints were vandalized in an attempt to claim that people and dinosaurs walked the earth at the same time. A series of dinosaurs prints were destroyed by reshaping the prints into ones with human toes. It was a silly effort. Perfectly round human toes were added to imperfect prints.
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This is a letter I once published in a mineral club's newsletter on April Fool's day. It has the same air of authenticity as the Russian claims:
http://www.snopes.com/humor/letters/smithsonian.asp
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Well I think there should be a second opinion sought on the Smithsonian Barbie.
Great letter.
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Good grief. This reminds me of a discussion I had over at Universe Today with the 2012 'asteroid-impact-coming-because-the-Maya-predicted-it' people. Six months of arguing and pointing out simple astronomy/archaeology/geology/anthropology etc had no effect at all. Simple mistakes in thinking are acceptable but people like the above chap go way beyond misinterpretation of facts into the plain ludicrous. Begone fool.
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People living at the same time as the dinosaurs sounds for a modern man at least strange. Dinosaurs are often portrayed as having lived in a long time before man. Creationists believe that life, the Earth, and the universe are the creation of God. And God created all animals and humans in one time, in this number also dinosaurs. So due to them belief dinosaurs and people could co-exist in that same time. There are many articles and movies about it, for example: "Faith and Reason; Part 1; Dinosaurs And Mankind".Sometime ago I have been in Hong Kong. The region consists of many islands. Also Kowloon Peninsula belongs to HK. According to a legend the name Kowloon stems from the nine dragons, a term which refers to eight mountains and a Chinese emperor: Kowloon Peak, Tung Shan,Tate's Cairn, Temple Hill, Unicorn Ridge, Lion Rock, Beacon Hill, Crow's Nest and Emperor Bing (Song Dynasty).
But is it only the legend?
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fothervariant.weebly.com%2Fuploads%2F4%2F5%2F7%2F2%2F4572546%2F7514845_orig.jpg&hash=c71d988cf8281db2a54236b71bd10720) Maybe some animals looked like legendary dragons have lived in that area in the time when also people have lived there, who could remember the animals and convey memories to descendants.
When I visited the HK's island Lantau one day I went to swim in sea. I have been on a rocky beach. The rocks were carved by water but on some rocks you could perceive something like animals footprints. On one of the rocks I noticed a footprint looked like the footprint of a giant bird. I took a photo of it and I am presenting it on the photo on the left side. On the photo on the right side for comparison I am presenting footprints of contemporary birds. Gerrie McCall in his book "Dinosaurs"described some of these animals as digitigrade, it means animals whose stand or walk on their digits or toes like birds or cats. So the footprint on the left photo could be left by a dinosaur.
OK, but what about people?
(https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fothervariant.weebly.com%2Fuploads%2F4%2F5%2F7%2F2%2F4572546%2F2365413_orig.jpg&hash=ea2e29a7af905ee0c412f09a1a331bc9) Not far away from the first rock with the footprint of the giant bird or the dinosaur I have found a footprint looked like a human's footprint. On the top photo I am showing the rock with the footprint and on the bottom photo I am presenting the footprint with my shoe for comparison. As you can see a size of the footprint and mu shoe is similar. The footprint is tapered in a heel direction. It looks like a trace of a shoe on the wedge, like buskin or wedge boot. In ancient time buskins were used by actors in Greece and also by hunters and soldiers in Ancient Greek, Etruscan, and Roman societies. There were used in China also. In the old days maybe similar kind of shoes with thick soles was used in an area where there were shallow mud or water for feet protection. So that time this kind of shoes could have the most practical character not like today - mainly decorative.
If the rocks with footprints are in similar age it could point on that, that people and dinosaurs walked on HK's swamps in ancient time and met each other. So the name Kowloon - nine dragons could mean real nine dragons - dinosaurs which lived there long time ago.
It could be also that the traces what I showed on the photos above were made by water.
I described it in my blog http://othervariant.weebly.com/1/post/2014/02/people-and-dinosaurs.html
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I do think under the influence of some substance the person may have a had a camera upon them at the time of using and has printed this while not quite out of the effects.
As for Dinosaurs and humans together, (Isn't that Russia he claims he is from? ) that part may be true , he could have been wandering a creek or drain photographing rocks with the KGB following him along watching.
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... On the top photo I am showing the rock with the footprint and on the bottom photo I am presenting the footprint with my shoe for comparison ...
The shoe size isn't big enough : apparently they were giants with faces 7 meters wide ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Man_of_the_Mountain
[ Or were they microscopic ? ... http://www.improbable.com/airchives/paperair/volume6/v6i6/okamura-6-6.html ]
In reality they are examples of pareidolia ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia
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When I was 17 I made a living digging coal out of a seam on a mountain in WV. On one of the last loads of coal I dug out of the seam I found embedded in the coal a cheap gold plated necklace. It had a purple plastic heart on it and a modern clasp. I dug it 15 ft back in the mountain and there was no possible way it came from anywhere else. I had it for years until I felt compelled to give it to a girl I was dating. She had no clue how potentially valuable it was. You can buy similar necklaces from Walmart for less than $5.
I have no clue how it got there. The coal is 300 million years old. It was undisturbed ground. But I found it. Doesn't mean there were humans with factories 300 million years ago, but I will be damned if I do know what it means. Things turn up where they ought not be. No one can figure why. Doesn't make the Flintstones real. Certainly odd find though.
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Re: original posting.
Is this what creationists are doing now?
First, they try to convince the public that dinosaurs and humans lived side by side however many millions of years ago. They do this by;
A - getting some 'geologists' (or in this case people with a background in geology from an internet forum) to say, no matter how tenuous, that it is 'a possibility'. Then, they proceed to massively misquote/misrepresent the findings and in the case of the forum, the source (not to mention part of it being lost in translation).
B- just making footprints or dropping artifacts next to some dinosaur fossils. They then send for a newspaper reporter who photographs the 'evidence'. This then gets circulated on the internet and inevitably becomes irrefutable fact.
Secondly, when people seem adequately convinced (subdued) of the two living side by side, they then start moving the dates up a bit to this all happening 5000 years ago. :o
I may be a cynic but this research seems awfully agenda based to me.
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Here photos:
http://picasaweb.google.ru/valentindolzhenko
Some interesting photos: 9/10 for imagination in interpreting them.