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Non Life Sciences => Physics, Astronomy & Cosmology => Topic started by: Kryptid on 19/09/2008 12:53:18

Title: Is particle spin conserved? If so, in what way?
Post by: Kryptid on 19/09/2008 12:53:18
When it comes to conserving certain properties of subatomic particles before and after interactions, spin confuses me. Must the total spin of a system after an interaction be the same as it was before the interaction? Take neutron decay for example:

Neutron → Proton + Electron + Antineutrino

The spin of all of these particles is 1/2. However, I've also read that spin can be +1/2 or -1/2. In this case, one could imagine that the original neutron had a spin of +1/2, and that the spins of the proton and the electron are also +1/2, with the antineutrino having a spin of -1/2. This negative spin cancels out one of the positive spins and the net result is +1/2 spin of the products (equal to the original neutron).

However, some things seem not to do this. Take the absorption of a photon by a hydrogen atom. The photon has a spin of 1, and the electron has a spin of 1/2. The electron absorbs the photon and is raised into a higher energy state. However, all electrons have a spin of 1/2 and this cannot change (as far as I know). So what happened to the photon's spin of 1 during the electron's excitement? Did it just disappear? Does the nuclear spin play a role here?

Is there any way to predict the spin of the products of an interaction based on the spin of the particles entering the interaction?
Title: Is particle spin conserved? If so, in what way?
Post by: common_sense_seeker on 19/09/2008 13:28:57
Good question.
Title: Is particle spin conserved? If so, in what way?
Post by: socratus on 19/09/2008 13:57:26
The spin of particle is relative quantity.
For example.

An electron have spin  +1/2.
1.
Then electron leaves atom the spherical electro field changes
 into ellipsoid field. It is possible to think that something
happened with electron and its spin.
2.
Then after interaction with vacuum all parameters of electron
became infinite. Where is spin of electron now?
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Title: Is particle spin conserved? If so, in what way?
Post by: lightarrow on 19/09/2008 17:50:53
When it comes to conserving certain properties of subatomic particles before and after interactions, spin confuses me. Must the total spin of a system after an interaction be the same as it was before the interaction? Take neutron decay for example:

Neutron → Proton + Electron + Antineutrino

The spin of all of these particles is 1/2. However, I've also read that spin can be +1/2 or -1/2. In this case, one could imagine that the original neutron had a spin of +1/2, and that the spins of the proton and the electron are also +1/2, with the antineutrino having a spin of -1/2. This negative spin cancels out one of the positive spins and the net result is +1/2 spin of the products (equal to the original neutron).

However, some things seem not to do this. Take the absorption of a photon by a hydrogen atom. The photon has a spin of 1, and the electron has a spin of 1/2. The electron absorbs the photon and is raised into a higher energy state. However, all electrons have a spin of 1/2 and this cannot change (as far as I know). So what happened to the photon's spin of 1 during the electron's excitement? Did it just disappear? Does the nuclear spin play a role here?

Is there any way to predict the spin of the products of an interaction based on the spin of the particles entering the interaction?
Spin is angular momentum and the associated magnetic momentum; in an atom those quantities are not only given by nuclear or (intrinsic) electronic spin, but from electronic orbital motion too.
Title: Is particle spin conserved? If so, in what way?
Post by: socratus on 19/09/2008 19:10:57
Lightarrow :
Spin is angular momentum and the associated magnetic momentum;
 in an atom those quantities are not only given by nuclear or
 (intrinsic) electronic spin, but from electronic orbital motion too.

Dodeca Dave :
Spin is conserved in the same way that angular momentum is conserved.

Socratus :
Is angular momentum of particle conserved ?
Title: Is particle spin conserved? If so, in what way?
Post by: Soul Surfer on 26/09/2008 23:43:55
In absorbing the photon the electron in the atom has beeen raised into a different orbital this orbital change represents a higher energy and angular momentum state and so energy and angular momentum are conserved.
Title: Is particle spin conserved? If so, in what way?
Post by: DoctorBeaver on 27/09/2008 08:19:46
Does quantum spin involve angular momentum? I understood that it wasn't a physical spin at all, just that the particle acted as if it was.
Title: Is particle spin conserved? If so, in what way?
Post by: lightarrow on 27/09/2008 12:51:33
Does quantum spin involve angular momentum?
Yes.
Title: Is particle spin conserved? If so, in what way?
Post by: DoctorBeaver on 27/09/2008 17:31:07
Does quantum spin involve angular momentum?
Yes.

Short & succinct! Thank you.