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here is another point.. how could they get on the moon without crashing? they have ONE jet engine. and each passenger is seated on a different spot, so that would mean the craft would tilt and well... CRASH. there is NASA footage of armstrong trying to control something like that in the sky here on earth, each attempt failed and he got out at the last second. basically what they did was shoot those guys in orbit for a week, make a video to the retarded public (who most still will not question their government) and tell everybody this impossible lie and its over with. *woohoo we are the first on the moon* was it really that important? who stood to gain?
umm, when we look at a fool moon, our earth is FACEING AWAY from our galaxy...
Jolly's claim was that they never reached the moon and nor will they ever reach it. It wasn't just that they never reached the moon, Jolly's claim was that it is impossible to get to the moon.
Quote from: Bored chemist on 31/05/2007 20:06:28our earth is FACEING AWAY from our galaxyLast time I checked we were inside out galaxy. Facing away from something your inside is a new concept for me.lol? maybe you should read up on our solar system my friend, we are on the edge of out solar system, and during the day we face into the middle of it, but during the night we face away from it.. always. think a little bit more before you place a comment
our earth is FACEING AWAY from our galaxyLast time I checked we were inside out galaxy. Facing away from something your inside is a new concept for me.
Quote from: zoofreakz on 29/05/2007 23:07:10here is another point.. how could they get on the moon without crashing? they have ONE jet engine. and each passenger is seated on a different spot, so that would mean the craft would tilt and well... CRASH. there is NASA footage of armstrong trying to control something like that in the sky here on earth, each attempt failed and he got out at the last second. basically what they did was shoot those guys in orbit for a week, make a video to the retarded public (who most still will not question their government) and tell everybody this impossible lie and its over with. *woohoo we are the first on the moon* was it really that important? who stood to gain? the Eagle did nearly crash. At two thousand feet the alarms went off. This time it was a 1201. Another overload alarm. Kranz shouted at Bales "Guido what about it?". "Go, just go" came the response.The message was passed on a quarter of a million miles "We're go, Eagle, hang tight we're go". At thirteen hundred feet, Neil Armstrong took manual control of the Eagle. The computers had done their bit now it was down to Armstrong to fly to the moon's surface. Looking out of the small window, he expected to see the same surface features that he had seen in dozens of flight simulations. They weren't there. Eagle had overflown the landing site by four miles. Armstrong was looking at a boulder filled crater and his spaceship was running out of fuel.As Armstrong flew the ship Aldrin called out the numbers, altitude, speed, fuel. There was nowhere to land. Armstrong pitched the Eagle to the left and spotted a site where the boulders thinned out. Eagle only had 90 seconds of fuel left. Having got this far they were perilously close to aborting the mission.Mission control could see the fuel was down to sixty seconds and couldn't understand why the Eagle had not landed. Kranz keyed his mike, "This is flight, you'd better remind them there ain't no gas stations on the moon." This message was relayed to Eagle in three words, "Eagle thirty seconds". Aldrin's hand hovered over the abort button. They were now only 50 feet above the moon but their fuel was almost exhausted. In Houston a sense of panic was setting in. The Eagle was now too close to the moon's surface to abort. By the time the ascent engines kicked in they would have crashed on the moon. They had no get out clause and no fuel. Everyone listened to the astronauts words,"Two and a half down""Kicking up some dust""Faint shadow""Four forward""Drifting to the right a little""Contact light""Okay engine stop...descent engine command override off"Houston responded "we copy you down Eagle".All the consoles showed that they had landed but Houston needed voice confirmation. Neil Armstrong allowed himself a second to catch his breath and then sent word home.Three seconds and two hundred and fifty thousand miles later his voice came through at mission control, "Houston, Tranquility Base here. The Eagle has landed".
Then for stage two, You will need to sit a psycological exam with my assosiate EDAM, do not fear, for I shall translate to you, what EDAM has telepathically said!
QuoteThen for stage two, You will need to sit a psycological exam with my assosiate EDAM, do not fear, for I shall translate to you, what EDAM has telepathically said!Now you're getting really cheesy
Clearly the issue here is not about the science, but about who the science comes from.Some people involved in this discussion do not trust reports that come from NASA, and therefore cannot be convinced that there was ever a manned moon landing.Those who do trust NASA's reports have only NASA's own research, or research that subsequently came from data or material collected by NASA, to use to try and convince the others.A decision has been reached as to what is the 'truth' by both parties, and evidence from either will not be considered rationally.Therefore, this discussion is at a stalemate, and as such has become an arguement.Time to move on?
I must warn against annoying them, they take it all so personnally!....lol
QuoteI must warn against annoying them, they take it all so personnally!....lol JollyI think you would find that almost every other forum out there would have deleted all of your Moon threads and banned you permanatly by now.
I know your're desperate to ban me for life!
QuoteI know your're desperate to ban me for life!Not so sure.... one thing Jolly's post do accomplish is that they force people to look for evidence/physical manifestations of effects they 'know'. As far as I can see none of Jolly's arguments have ever gone un-answered, though because of the outlandish nature of some his claims, we've had to think hard in looking for and explaining the counter-evience.An agent provocateur has his uses....?