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Life Sciences => Physiology & Medicine => Topic started by: paul.fr on 01/01/2008 17:12:28
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I know this is the second post about the same subject, but they are different.
What is the best way to cope with food poisoning? for 3 days now i have had to make sure i am sleeping in the bathroom and its not too much fun i can tell you. I know i have possibly done all the wrong things since the first symptoms, so what should i have or be doing?
what foods and drinks can i have and in what time frames?
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I would guess much the same a cholera - sugar, salt, and water to ensure you don't dehydrate and lose too much electrolyte.
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I would guess much the same a cholera - sugar, salt, and water to ensure you don't dehydrate and lose too much electrolyte.
This was my thinking too, George. Problem is (and without putting a gross reading factor in), i can actually feel the water hit the bottom of my stomach, seconds, and i mean seconds later the fluid is released from my body and i wonder what the point was?
Yes i took some fluids in, but only for a matter of seconds, and in doing so i lost more fluid than i put in!
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yes dry foods with sugary, salty drinks to stop your body dehydrating and
no greasy foods until you are totally better, Soon I hope
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Wow paul.. I am sorry your so sick.. food poisoning is horrid.. one of the worst times being so sick.. I am sorry.. Get well soon..
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I know this is the second post about the same subject, but they are different.
What is the best way to cope with food poisoning? for 3 days now i have had to make sure i am sleeping in the bathroom and its not too much fun i can tell you. I know i have possibly done all the wrong things since the first symptoms, so what should i have or be doing?
what foods and drinks can i have and in what time frames?
If you've gone more than 2 days and haven't been able to keep fluids down Paul, it may be time to see the doctor. If you insist on treating yourself, for now you need to avoid solid foods. Take SMALL, frequent sips of CLEAR liquids. DO NOT CHUG IT! Avoid sugary, caffeinated and alcoholic drinks. You can have a LITTLE bit of sugar, but be careful with it.
You could try to drink something like Pedialyte which is a rehydration drink for kids....it helps adults too.
You can also drink Gatorade (do you have that there?) or any other sports drink, just be sure to dilute it with water because it contains a lot of sugar which can and usually will upset your stomach.
Only after you've gone several hours without vomiting should you try to eat and then it should be small amounts of something very bland.
Hope you feel better soon.
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You can also drink Gatorade (do you have that there?) or any other sports drink, just be sure to dilute it with water because it contains a lot of sugar which can and usually will upset your stomach.
I have used Locozade when I have an upset stomach (although that does contain caffeine) - although I have never had any serious food poisoning. Also, week, sweet, tea is probably good.
I certainly agree about staying away from alcohol until your system is a bit stronger, but would not skimp on the sugar (you need your energy - but not solid sweets), and am not sure that caffeine itself is a problem (although coffee may not be good).
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Paul, I got food poisoning while out for a meal on New Years Eve. Had the usual throwing up and diarrhoea along with swollen tummy, tenderness around abdomen, gas and stiff neck.
As soon as I realised what I had, I got a whole lime, juiced it mixed it with orange juice and drank it. Same again 3 hours later and again 3 hours later. Had to stay indoors. Glad to say this morning completely cured. I also sipped Benadictine liquor mixed with half a glass of boiled but not boiling water, this helps to stop sickness.
How?
Lime juice and lemon juice kill virus and bacteria immediately on contact. The bugs have got zero chance against this important line of defence. It kills sperm in 20 seconds with a single drop diluted. It kills the aids virus in Africa when prostitutes use it as a spermicidal.
Once you have taken the course you just have to rest up for a while and drink fruit juice and water to rehydrate yourself, add a little sea salt to it.
Will it work with everyone? Yes. Even works with dogs that have got food poisoning and possibly E coli, within one day cured.
My source of food poisoning:
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How would you know the difference between food poisoning and a noro-virus (which according to the BBC is going around in a big way at the moment)?
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If this "Lime juice and lemon juice kill virus and bacteria immediately on contact. " were true then limes and lemons would be imune from bacterial decomposition. In turn, if that were true then we would be knee deep in them by now because nothing would ever remove them from the environment.
Since, in fact, they go off, the assertion is not compatible with observation.
If it killed the AIDS virus in Africa then Africa would not be in the grip of a massively damaging epeidemic; it is.
E Coli is a natural part of the gut's bacterial content- that's where it got the name. There are some stains of e coli that cause damage- clearly they are rare.
It annoys the hell out of me that someone posts such clearly inaccurate stuff on the net.
Of cousrse, someone will now ask me to explain Andrew's recovery.
Andrew,
I'm glad you recovered from some temporary upset to the natural flora of your gut and I sympathise with the problems that it will have caused you.
Over the Xmas hols I had a cold. My immune system took care of it. Is there any evidence to say that your immune system didn't wipe out your bout of food poisoning?
BTW an evidence based might be found here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oral_rehydration_therapy
And, short of taking stool samples and DNA typing them I don't see a way of finding out which particular virus or bacterium is responsible. It hardly matters. If the treatment given in the wiki article doesn't work in a day or so get a doctor.
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How would you know the difference between food poisoning and a noro-virus (which according to the BBC is going around in a big way at the moment)?
The reason i suspect food poisoning is because the vomiting and diarrhoea started an hour after eating cheese, also i don't think i matters if it was food poisoning or norovirus as the "cure" is pretty much the same. I rarely bother the doctor, maybe one every other year, and much prefer to let my own body get on with the job.
As i have never had this before, i just wanted some advice on foods i should not eat because i did not want to fight against whatever my body was doing to help. such as eating dairy produce...
thankyou all for the input and advice, much appreciated.
Paul, I got food poisoning while out for a meal on New Years Eve. Had the usual throwing up and diarrhoea along with swollen tummy, tenderness around abdomen, gas and stiff neck.......
Thanks for the advice, Andrew. Glad you are better, but i have to agree with BC here, with reference to the lemon and limes. If it worked for you then that is good, but i don't see that you can make those bold claims.
As usual, i have the disclaimer that i know nothing and am always happy for people to prove that right.
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I'm no expert but the only time I had food poisoning that occurred that quick was from listeria.
I was told to avoid all dairy produce including milk and keep away from fatty foods.
The main thing is to keep the fluids up as you say, the advice given for norovirus is almost the same.
Take care and hope you are feeling better.
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Antibacterial Activity of Citrus Fruit Juices Against Vibrio Species
Hiroyuki TOMOTAKE1), Tetsuro KOGA2), Masayuki YAMATO2), Afework KASSU2) and Fusao OTA2)
1) Iida Women's Junior College2) Division of Preventive Environment and Nutrition, Department of Nutritional Science, Graduate School of Health Biosciences, The University of Tokushima
(Received July 25, 2005)
Summary Lemon, lime and sudachi juices were tested for antibacterial activity against seven strains of Vibrio species. All juices were effective in inhibiting the growth of the Vibrio strains. Citric acid, the major organic acid in these juices, was found to be responsible for inhibiting the growth of Vibrio parahaemolyticus. Sauce prepared from sudachi juice showed a strong bactericidal activity against Vibrio parahaemolyticus, whereas the sauce adjusted to higher pH values had no bacterial activity. Diluted sudachi juice or citric acid solution also had antibacterial activity independently. These results suggest that citrus fruit juices are effective in preventing infection with Vibrio species.
Key Words: citrus, juices, citric acid, Vibrio species
http://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jnsv/52/2/52_157/_article
1Department of Microbiology, Abia State University, PMB 2000 Uturu, Nigeria
2Department of Botany, Abia state University,PMB 2000 Uturu, Nigeria.
*Corresponding author. E-Mail: osychin@yahoo.com.
Accepted 15 August, 2004
Code Number: jb04110
ABSTRACT
The antimicrobial effect in vitro of aqueous and ethanolic extracts of garlic (Allium sativum Linn.), ginger (Zingiber officinale Roscoe) and lime (Citrus aurantifolia Linn.) juice were assayed against Staphylococcus aureus; Bacillus spp., Escherichia coli and Salmonella spp. All the test organisms were susceptible to undiluted lime-juice. The aqueous and ethanolic extracts of garlic and ginger singly did not inhibit any of the test organisms. The highest inhibition zone of 19 mm was observed with a combination of extracts on Staphylococcus aureus. Salmonella spp were resistant to almost all the extracts except lime.
Key words: Antimicrobial, ginger, garlic, lime, concoctions.
http://www.bioline.org.br/request?jb04110
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yeah sure, that refers to some specific types of bacteria
but you said all bacteria and virii had 0 chance against it
and heaven forbid if your dog had E coli, what if it spread and kept spreading and then one day every single human had E coli.....
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What is the best way to cope with food poisoning? for 3 days now i have had to make sure i am sleeping in the bathroom and its not too much fun i can tell you. I know i have possibly done all the wrong things since the first symptoms, so what should i have or be doing?
what foods and drinks can i have and in what time frames?
I know it's a bit late and I'm not a doctor, but I've got something to add. Trying to get as much fluid into you is best, I've fared best with water at room temp and have added a pinch of salt and sugar per litre.
Activated Charcoal is another good thing for food poisoning or gastroenteritis, it helps to bind the toxins produced by the bad bacteria that made it into the gut. It doesn't help much with Noro-virus infections as far as I know, but it doesn't hurt either.
Monika
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" heaven forbid if your dog had E coli"
It has and so have you, along with most mammals.
Some strains of E coli cause problems- most of them just live in guts.
Straight lime juice is acid enough that it probably kills most bacteria; certainly a lot of pathogens.
The problems is how well does it work when you dilute it down to such an extent that it doesn't kill human cells. Another qusestion is how well it would work given that the body is quite well pH buffered.
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yeah, i was being sarcastic
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Lime juice does get diluted when we drink it. Even in diluted form it kills sperm in 20 seconds. Lime and Lemon juice has been an effective spermicide for hundreds and possibly thousands of years. It would become diluted in this application.
When we use a lime, we rub the remainder of the squeezed lime into our wooden chopping boards to act as a antibacterial agent. It does not taint food and has no toxic adverse affects to my knowledge.
Oranges and Lemons say the Bells of St Clements. Why did they put this into a song? was there a reason for it?
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"Lime juice does get diluted when we drink it. Even in diluted form it kills sperm in 20 seconds. "
If you are drinking it you don't need to worry about any sperm it might come into contact with.
"Oranges and Lemons say the Bells of St Clements. Why did they put this into a song? was there a reason for it? "
Yes, the rhyme is a set of mnemonics for recognising the bells of major London churches. Intersting enough stuff, but hardly important in this instance. It is believed to have originated in the 17th or 18th century so it's probably too early to have been influenced by any understanding of antisepsis.
It's probably fair to say that, even with added lime juice, the use of wooden chopping boards is unwise from a food poisoning risk point of view because they are difficult to clean. It's good practice to use different boards for raw and cooked food.