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Title: Why do we dream?
Post by: jackie on 26/05/2016 10:23:08
Why do we dream?
Title: Re: Why do we dream?
Post by: puppypower on 26/05/2016 12:09:26
Dreams are a natural way to lower potentials that build in the brain due to ego-centricity; individual, and super ego centricity; culture.  The human brain has two centers of consciousness. One center is connected to the unconscious mind and natural instinct. This is called the inner self. While the other center is the ego, which is connected to the conscious mind, free will and choice. If free will and choice creates potentials in the natural brain, dreams are a natural way to help lower the potential, with the optimized disk image of the inner self.

As an analogy, if you wore some tight shoes, this action will result in a body reaction called blisters. The blisters form to lower to the potentials that the shoes are building on the skin. The blister will cause pain for conscious awareness to the problem, with the pain  making you walk differently to reduce the strain.

In many western culture, dreams are not considered important or even due to cause and affect. This is like saying the blister has nothing to do with the shoe, since blisters can form anywhere at random. The reason for this POV, sometimes cultural choices need people to create potential. This will add irrationality to be exploited.

In the case of the blister, if you ignore the blister on your foot long enough, a callus will form, than makes the skin tougher and able to sustain the unnatural skin potential of the tight shoes. The brain does the same thing. It will point out the blister; in the dream, but if ignored and reinforced, it will also allow calluses to form; habits. Calluses are natural, in a sense; second nature like instinct, but not exactly optimized.

Calluses are supposed to be a stop gap measure, for the short term; adaptive until the shoes wear out. But the calluses can cause discomfort when the shoes finally become optimized; right size. It creates the paradox of preferring wrong sized shoes since the callus or habit is locally optimize do that. However, it is not globally optimized. This is a different type of dream that needs some training to translate.

Interestingly, dreams often unfold and lower potential in a way similar to the way we surf the internet. With the internet we may start with a search theme; initial dream. But in a short time, we may tangent, as interesting links appear. The internet was unconsciously designed in the image dreams. This may be preparing humans how to understanding dreams.
Title: Re: Why do we dream?
Post by: RD on 26/05/2016 14:00:02
... optimized disk image ...  an analogy ... the internet...

If you're looking for a computer-analogies to explain why animals dream, try archiving (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lossy_compression) & evolutionary computation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_computation) .

Even AI (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI) has dreams ... http://www.popsci.com/these-are-what-google-artificial-intelligences-dreams-look
Title: Re: Why do we dream?
Post by: marlenewiley on 27/05/2016 13:32:11
Human's brain conscious part connected with free will & choice and unconscious part called the inner self. Calluses are natural, in a sense second nature like instinct, but not exactly optimized. This content clear us humans how to understanding dreams. But animals why see dream ?
Title: Re: Why do we dream?
Post by: jerrygg38 on 16/07/2016 14:14:02
   As a hyper manic bipolar, I have had dreams when asleep and dreams when awake. The sleeping dream transfers information from my inner mind to my outer mind. Then I study the information. Often nothing of importance comes out.
  The dreams when awake would be like visions in which my inner mind transmits audio/visual data. I have to push myself into a hyper-manic state to achieve this (no drugs just natural for me). These tend to be disturbing because my inner mind takes the position of authority over my outer mind. Thus I can argue with my inner mind who tend to reject my arguments. thus there is a conflict between the points of view between my inner and outer minds.
   I study what my both minds have to say in order to seek the truth. It appears to me that my inner mind is mostly correct but it is subjective whereas my outer mind tends to be objective.
Title: Re: Why do we dream?
Post by: puppypower on 17/07/2016 12:42:29
The brain is different from a computer in the sense that in the brain, integrated chemistry is integrated with information storage, data and subroutines. In computers, human convention define how data is represented on memory and manipulated by programs. This is arbitrary. But with the brain, information storage, data and subroutines are represented by chemical hierarchy. Chemical hierarchy is how the entire brain and body can integrate down to the DNA, and then right down to the nano-scale; a single base on a gene.

Dreams are an output affect, than can be caused by chemicals and/or by information perturbations, since both are two sides of the same integrated coin. In both cases, non equilibrium states are often induced, with the brain seeking to restore equilibrium. The chemical changes result in information changes and information changes can result in chemical changes.

Like in chemistry, if we know the products of a chemical reaction, we can infer the reactants. With dreams, because of the chemical connection if we know the dream output, we can infer the information reactants; brain chemicals and/or dream analysis. Psychiatry will use drugs to approach the brain, since chemicals and information are interwoven. Psychology uses the information angle.

If you look at a neuron, the neuron expends up to 90% of its metabolic energy pumping and exchanging sodium and potassium cations. This pushes the membrane up an energy hill and down into an entropy valley; membrane is induced into higher energy and lower entropy. When neurons fire the energy and entropy reverse. This flow of free energy potential can trigger other neutrons to fire; thought, as well as be used to alter the chemistry of biomaterials.

Dreams are often caused by us placing chemical dams in the natural flow. These can be caused by changes in brain chemistry as well as by thought, memory and habits. The brain has efficient ways to funnel the energy, while dams can cause pooling; lingering potentials. As these residual potentials are released, new currents appear as dream content.

If I place a large bolder in the middle of a stream, a new flow pattern will appear. The flowery split and the speed of the water may increase. Based on how the water flow has changed I can infer the shape, position and size of the rock. Since chemistry and information are linked, the medical doctor might also infer data based on changes in neurochemistry; new stream profile. The psychologist may infer the bolder based on changes in mood and dreams.
Title: Re: Why do we dream?
Post by: smart on 21/05/2017 10:23:16
Is dreaming caused by neuroholographic information processing in microtubules, consolidating our memory into the subconscious system?
Title: Re: Why do we dream?
Post by: puppypower on 21/05/2017 13:34:13
Is dreaming caused by neuroholographic information processing in microtubules, consolidating our memory into the subconscious system?

The brain is a potentiated system that is constantly flowing energy toward lower potential. All the neurons expand energy to create a membrane potential. As neurons fire, an accumulative energy is given off, which flows toward lower and lower potential.

Dreams occur were there is damming in the flow of energy. Like with a river, if there is a dam, water/energy begins to back up and pool on the other side of the dam. Dreams are a way for the unconscious mind to release this potential backlog.  A sudden release can tweak routine pathways. In dreams, we will see known things, but in odd relationships due to the riverbank overflow; sudden surge. Unfortunately, this is not the end of story, because of will power and choice. These can rebuild the dam.

For example, say you are depressed. Th depression slows down your energy where you may not wish to do anything. This will back up the flow of energy in the brain. Dreams can help to release the potential. The problem is the ego has choice and free will and can rebuild and even reenforce the dam, out of habit or even choice.

Even if you wake up feeling good, after a reset dream, one can think of the worse and reset the dam. In this case, the followup dreams will offer solutions to the ego, as to what is causing the dam, and how the ego can change habits, so the dam is not reenforced. It uses a different language called symbol which are a 3-D language. The 3-D language is used since this is the most efficient way to divert energy. A spatial flow of energy flow can maximize distribution and not apply too much erosion in one area.

The brain works differently compared to computer memory. With computer memory, information and logic is built upon binary switches. With the brain, memory is based on chemical composition in terms of structures. With the brain, the flow of information works in parallel to the flow of energy in a chemical system; natural laws.

In other words, if you had binary data storage, one setting of the binary will have slightly higher energy. If we stored information; 5000 pics,  and had the memory disk system lower energy to 50%, switches need to flip. The new information would be noise, since there is not natural connection between energy and data. With the brain if we started the same data, and went to half energy, a new set of coherent memory appears because the new lower energy chemical state defines new memory.

This has to do with entropy. For chemical systems entropy is a state variable, meaning for any given state, the entropy is always the same. Water at 25C and 1 atmosphere has a fixed amount of entropy that is always the same no matter if you start, hot, cold, steams, or ice.

 When the brain chemically lowers energy, a new state appears which has a fixed amount of entropy. Entropy defines the character of the state. Computer information does not work this way, since computer language is not a function of chemical states, but of human convention based on a binary. The foundation is too narrow.
Title: Re: Why do we dream?
Post by: trevorjohnson32 on 21/05/2017 16:21:23
I believe dreaming is connected to the balance system. A gyroscope microphone maybe able to record and amplify and play back dreams. https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=70339.msg514033#msg514033
https://www.thenakedscientists.com/forum/index.php?topic=70425.new#new
Title: Re: Why do we dream?
Post by: smart on 21/05/2017 20:33:08
The brain is a potentiated system that is constantly flowing energy toward lower potential. All the neurons expand energy to create a membrane potential. As neurons fire, an accumulative energy is given off, which flows toward lower and lower potential.

Dreams occur were there is damming in the flow of energy. Like with a river, if there is a dam, water/energy begins to back up and pool on the other side of the dam. Dreams are a way for the unconscious mind to release this potential backlog.  A sudden release can tweak routine pathways. In dreams, we will see known things, but in odd relationships due to the riverbank overflow; sudden surge. Unfortunately, this is not the end of story, because of will power and choice. These can rebuild the dam.

For example, say you are depressed. Th depression slows down your energy where you may not wish to do anything. This will back up the flow of energy in the brain. Dreams can help to release the potential. The problem is the ego has choice and free will and can rebuild and even reenforce the dam, out of habit or even choice.

Even if you wake up feeling good, after a reset dream, one can think of the worse and reset the dam. In this case, the followup dreams will offer solutions to the ego, as to what is causing the dam, and how the ego can change habits, so the dam is not reenforced. It uses a different language called symbol which are a 3-D language. The 3-D language is used since this is the most efficient way to divert energy. A spatial flow of energy flow can maximize distribution and not apply too much erosion in one area.

The brain works differently compared to computer memory. With computer memory, information and logic is built upon binary switches. With the brain, memory is based on chemical composition in terms of structures. With the brain, the flow of information works in parallel to the flow of energy in a chemical system; natural laws.

In other words, if you had binary data storage, one setting of the binary will have slightly higher energy. If we stored information; 5000 pics,  and had the memory disk system lower energy to 50%, switches need to flip. The new information would be noise, since there is not natural connection between energy and data. With the brain if we started the same data, and went to half energy, a new set of coherent memory appears because the new lower energy chemical state defines new memory.

This has to do with entropy. For chemical systems entropy is a state variable, meaning for any given state, the entropy is always the same. Water at 25C and 1 atmosphere has a fixed amount of entropy that is always the same no matter if you start, hot, cold, steams, or ice.

 When the brain chemically lowers energy, a new state appears which has a fixed amount of entropy. Entropy defines the character of the state. Computer information does not work this way, since computer language is not a function of chemical states, but of human convention based on a binary. The foundation is too narrow.

I wanted to share this article with you: http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Andrei_Nistreanu/publication/282151394_Collective_Behavior_of_Water_Molecules_in_Microtubules/links/561fb2be08ae70315b550be6.pdf?disableCoverPage=true

Apparently, the "collective behavior of water molecules inside microtubules (MTs) can be thought as a single dipole oscillator!" Thus, as we're dreaming, our brain may emit biophotons stored inside MTs as holographic pictures...